ISSUE-144: User-granted Exceptions: Constraints on user agent behavior while granting and for future requests?

User-granted Exceptions: Constraints on user agent behavior while granting and for future requests?

State:
CLOSED
Product:
Tracking Preference Expression (DNT)
Raised by:
Matthias Schunter
Opened on:
2012-05-02
Description:
During today's call (2012-05-02) we raised the question how exceptions affect future user agent behavior.

QUESTION 1: For granting site-wide, explicit, or web-wide exceptions: What kind of UI requirements do we want to impose?

- Would it be OK if the UI for site-wide and explicit would be identical?
- Would it be OK if the answer will be generated without user interaction (e.g., the user prefers DNT;1 and therefore no exception is granted - ever)
- Would it be OK if the answer is generated from a user-approved policy (e.g., say yes unless a tracker is on my blacklist)?

QUESTION 2: Once a site-wide, explicit, or web-wide exception has been granted, do we mandate how this affects future behavior (e.g., sending DNT;0 or DNT;1)?

E.g.,
- Once a third party has an exception, the agent MUST send DNT;0
- Can a user agent refine the exception (e.g., granting a site-wide exception and nevertheless say 'DNT;1' to some blacklisted third parties)?
- Can a user agent accept exceptions and then continue sending "DNT;1" everywhere?
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Related emails:
  1. Re: Mapping the "framework" to ISSUEs (from john@consumerwatchdog.org on 2013-05-07)
  2. Mapping the "framework" to ISSUEs (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-05-07)
  3. Re: ISSUE-161: Discussion of semantics and alternatives to "!" (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-04-16)
  4. Re: ISSUE-161: Discussion of semantics and alternatives to "!" (from singer@apple.com on 2013-04-16)
  5. Re: ISSUE-161: Discussion of semantics and alternatives to "!" (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-04-15)
  6. Re: ISSUE-161: Discussion of semantics and alternatives to "!" (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-04-15)
  7. RE: Batch closing of TPE-related issues (response by April 16) (from michael.oneill@baycloud.com on 2013-04-15)
  8. Re: Batch closing of TPE-related issues (response by April 16) (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-04-15)
  9. ISSUE-161: Discussion of semantics and alternatives to "!" (was: Batch closing) (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-04-15)
  10. Re: Batch closing of TPE-related issues (response by April 16) (from john@consumerwatchdog.org on 2013-04-12)
  11. Re: Batch closing of TPE-related issues (response by April 16) (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-04-12)
  12. Re: Batch closing of TPE-related issues (response by April 16) (from david@appnexus.com on 2013-04-12)
  13. RE: Batch closing of TPE-related issues (response by April 16) (from michael.oneill@baycloud.com on 2013-04-12)
  14. Batch closing of TPE-related issues (response by April 16) (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-04-12)
  15. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-03-20)
  16. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from singer@apple.com on 2013-03-19)
  17. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-03-19)
  18. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from singer@apple.com on 2013-03-19)
  19. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-03-19)
  20. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from singer@apple.com on 2013-03-19)
  21. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-03-19)
  22. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from singer@apple.com on 2013-03-19)
  23. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-03-19)
  24. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-03-19)
  25. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-03-18)
  26. Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187) [pls Respond by Mar 22] (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-03-18)
  27. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-02-11)
  28. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-02-11)
  29. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-02-11)
  30. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from singer@apple.com on 2013-02-11)
  31. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-02-11)
  32. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from singer@apple.com on 2013-02-11)
  33. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-02-11)
  34. Re: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-02-11)
  35. Re: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from singer@apple.com on 2013-02-11)
  36. RE: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from wileys@yahoo-inc.com on 2013-02-10)
  37. Re: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from rigo@w3.org on 2013-02-10)
  38. Re: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-02-09)
  39. Re: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-02-09)
  40. RE: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from wileys@yahoo-inc.com on 2013-02-09)
  41. Re: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from rigo@w3.org on 2013-02-09)
  42. RE: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from michael.oneill@baycloud.com on 2013-02-02)
  43. Re: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-01-31)
  44. RE: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from wileys@yahoo-inc.com on 2013-01-31)
  45. Re: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from walter.van.holst@xs4all.nl on 2013-01-31)
  46. RE: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from wileys@yahoo-inc.com on 2013-01-31)
  47. Re: Issue-144 etc. (from walter.van.holst@xs4all.nl on 2013-01-31)
  48. Re: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-01-31)
  49. Issue-144 etc. (from michael.oneill@baycloud.com on 2013-01-31)
  50. RE: Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from michael.oneill@baycloud.com on 2013-01-31)
  51. Concerns regarding "store"-style DNT exceptions Re: Batch closing of issues ISSUE-144 (from npdoty@w3.org on 2013-01-31)
  52. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-01-24)
  53. Closing ISSUE-144 (UA Requirements for Exceptions) (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-01-23)
  54. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-01-23)
  55. Re: Agenda for 21 January 2012 TPE call - V03 (regrets) (from singer@apple.com on 2013-01-23)
  56. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-01-23)
  57. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-01-23)
  58. Re: Agenda for 21 January 2012 TPE call - V03 (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-01-23)
  59. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-01-22)
  60. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from singer@apple.com on 2013-01-22)
  61. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from justin@cdt.org on 2013-01-22)
  62. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-01-22)
  63. RE: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from wileys@yahoo-inc.com on 2013-01-22)
  64. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-01-22)
  65. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-01-22)
  66. Agenda for 21 January 2012 TPE call - V03 (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-01-22)
  67. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2013-01-22)
  68. Re: Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from singer@apple.com on 2013-01-22)
  69. Re: Agenda for 21 December 2012 TPE call - V01 (from singer@apple.com on 2013-01-22)
  70. Agenda for 21 December 2012 TPE call - V02 (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-01-21)
  71. Agenda for 21 December 2012 TPE call - V01 (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-01-21)
  72. Batch closing of issues (ISSUE-144, ISSUE-187, ISSUE-190, ISSUE-173, ISSUE-138) [pls Respond by Jan 30] (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2013-01-21)
  73. Re: Towards closing the remaining issues in the TPE specification (from tlr@w3.org on 2012-11-09)
  74. Re: Towards closing the remaining issues in the TPE specification (from singer@apple.com on 2012-10-03)
  75. Re: Towards closing the remaining issues in the TPE specification (from jmayer@stanford.edu on 2012-10-02)
  76. Towards closing the remaining issues in the TPE specification (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2012-10-01)
  77. RE: Proposed agenda for Amsterdam F2F on October 03-05, 2012 (from wileys@yahoo-inc.com on 2012-09-23)
  78. Proposed agenda for Amsterdam F2F on October 03-05, 2012 (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2012-09-21)
  79. Re: Agenda for July 18, 2012 DNT WG Call on TPE (from singer@apple.com on 2012-07-18)
  80. Agenda for July 18, 2012 DNT WG Call on TPE - V02 (minor changes only) (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2012-07-18)
  81. Re: Agenda for July 18, 2012 DNT WG Call on TPE (from david@networkadvertising.org on 2012-07-17)
  82. Agenda for July 18, 2012 DNT WG Call on TPE (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2012-07-17)
  83. Re: Agenda for May 23, 2012 DNT WG Call V01 (from singer@apple.com on 2012-05-23)
  84. Agenda for May 23, 2012 DNT WG Call V01 (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2012-05-23)
  85. RE: Agenda for May 16, 2012 DNT WG Call (from wileys@yahoo-inc.com on 2012-05-14)
  86. Agenda for May 16, 2012 DNT WG Call (from mts-std@schunter.org on 2012-05-14)
  87. Re: tracking-ISSUE-144: User-granted Exceptions: Constraints on user agent behavior while granting and for future requests? [Tracking Preference Expression (DNT)] (from rigo@w3.org on 2012-05-04)
  88. tracking-ISSUE-144: User-granted Exceptions: Constraints on user agent behavior while granting and for future requests? [Tracking Preference Expression (DNT)] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2012-05-02)

Related notes:

Moved to compliance spec since it is unrelated to protocol messages.

Matthias Schunter, 21 Jun 2012, 23:31:59

Call 2013-01-23: Agreement that this issue can be closed (pending email re-validation of consensus) for two reasons:
- With sites collecting exceptions from users, there is no need for mandating User-Interfaces for the user agent
- With the new approach to exceptions, user agents are free to update/modify/adjust the stored exceptions as long as this reflects actual user preference
(e.g., a user agent may later delete an exception if the user has
changed its mind or has decided that a stored exception did not reflect
his preferences that he expressed on a given site).

Matthias Schunter, 28 Jan 2013, 13:28:38

Tentatively closed (unless I receive input by April 16):
ISSUE-144
(edit)
User-granted Exceptions: Constraints on user agent behavior while granting and for future requests?
http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/144

REASON: In the new exception model, user agents are required to communicate the status of an exception.
The status may be changed by end users and no further requirements are needed. This is reflected in the spec.

NOTE: We still have an open issue whether user agents are required to implement the exception API.

Matthias Schunter, 15 Apr 2013, 10:38:28

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