Chatlog 2012-11-21

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15:02:58 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #rdf-wg
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15:03:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:03:00 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #rdf-wg
15:03:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
15:03:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 57 minutes
15:03:03 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:03:03 <trackbot> Date: 21 November 2012
15:48:42 <rdf-wg> rdf-wg has joined #rdf-wg
15:50:00 <rdf-wg> zakim, who is on the call?
15:50:00 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, rdf-wg
15:50:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see rdf-wg, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, ivan, mischat, AndyS, davidwood, gavinc, Arnaud, trackbot, manu1, manu, yvesr, sandro, ericP
15:50:53 <tbaker> tbaker has joined #rdf-wg
15:51:30 <tbaker> zakim, who is on the call?
15:51:30 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, tbaker
15:51:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see tbaker, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, ivan, mischat, AndyS, davidwood, gavinc, Arnaud, trackbot, manu1, manu, yvesr, sandro, ericP
15:51:37 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started
15:51:38 <Zakim> +EricP
15:52:07 <ericP> tbaker, are you trying to debug something?
15:52:20 <ericP> i've joined (started) the call in case that helps
15:53:18 <tbaker> Yes  an irc client on my iPhone
15:53:44 <Zakim> +??P2
15:53:52 <ericP> ahh, you're just asking questions of Zakim 'cause he's likely to answer
15:54:11 <tbaker> Will be only on irc today - in car.
15:54:13 <tbaker> Yes
15:56:35 <pfps> pfps has joined #rdf-wg
15:57:04 <Zakim> +pfps
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16:00:38 <Zakim> + +1.540.898.aaaa
16:00:39 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:00:39 <RRSAgent> See
16:00:53 <davidwood> Zakim, aaaa is mw
16:00:53 <Zakim> +mw; got it
16:01:01 <Zakim> +Sandro
16:01:05 <davidwood> Zakim, aaaa is me
16:01:05 <Zakim> sorry, davidwood, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
16:01:13 <davidwood> Zakim, mw is me
16:01:13 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it
16:01:48 <Zakim> +??P14
16:01:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:01:54 <AndyS> zakim, P14 is me
16:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named 'P14'
16:01:58 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
16:01:58 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
16:02:00 <Zakim> +Ivan
16:02:00 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
16:02:00 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
16:02:12 <pchampin_> zakim, ??P14 is me
16:02:12 <Zakim> +pchampin_; got it
16:02:40 <yvesr> scribenick: yvesr
16:02:40 <davidwood> Chair: David Wood
16:02:50 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?
16:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricP, ??P2, pfps, davidwood, Sandro, pchampin_, AndyS, Ivan
16:02:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see pchampin_, pfps, tbaker, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, ivan, mischat, AndyS, davidwood, gavinc, Arnaud, trackbot, manu1, manu, yvesr, sandro, ericP
16:02:52 <Zakim> +MHausenblas
16:02:52 <Zakim> +Arnaud
16:03:36 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb
16:03:38 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aabb
16:03:52 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
16:03:55 <AZ> AZ has joined #rdf-wg
16:04:01 <Souri> Souri has joined #rdf-wg
16:04:14 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- -- agenda will be
16:04:20 <markus> markus has joined #rdf-wg
16:04:29 <cygri> cygri has joined #rdf-wg
16:04:45 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
16:04:45 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
16:04:48 <AndyS> zakim, who is making noise?
16:04:50 <davidwood> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 7 Nov telecon:
16:04:50 <davidwood> 
16:04:50 <davidwood>
16:04:59 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (39%), Ivan (60%)
16:05:12 <yvesr> RESOLVED:  to accept the minutes of the 7 Nov telecon
16:05:28 <ivan> zakim, mute me
16:05:28 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
16:05:36 <davidwood> Review of action items
16:05:36 <davidwood>
16:05:36 <davidwood>
16:05:58 <yvesr> davidwood: andys completed two actions
16:06:01 <Arnaud> zakim, unmute me
16:06:01 <Zakim> Arnaud was not muted, Arnaud
16:06:08 <Zakim> +??P17
16:06:20 <markus> zakim, ??P17 is me
16:06:20 <Zakim> +markus; got it
16:06:32 <yvesr> Arnaud: my action is about the rdf schema document, we were unsure danbri would be able to edit it
16:06:38 <yvesr> Arnaud: danbri said he will be able to do it
16:06:39 <davidwood> CLOSE ACTION-198
16:06:39 <trackbot> ACTION-198 Check with Dan what he wants to do with regard to editorship (remain editor, leave it to Arnaud, remain co-editor?) closed
16:06:50 <davidwood> CLOSE ACTION-206
16:06:50 <trackbot> ACTION-206 Put Turtle tests into W3C space. closed
16:06:56 <davidwood> CLOSE ACTION-207
16:06:56 <trackbot> ACTION-207 Do some documentation/README for the tests. closed
16:06:57 <yvesr> Arnaud: but is there much work to do, now we resolved on rdf:Seq?
16:07:01 <AndyS> AndyS actions -
16:07:05 <yvesr> Arnaud: So I think that takes care of my action
16:07:19 <yvesr> davidwood: Moving on to open actions
16:07:30 <Zakim> + +081165aadd
16:07:38 <yvesr> sandro: I want to talk about my IETF action
16:07:39 <sandro>
16:07:39 <AZ> Zakim, aadd is me
16:07:39 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
16:07:56 <davidwood> CLOSE ACTION-82
16:07:56 <trackbot> ACTION-82 Draft well-known URI template and propose WG resolution that it is "stable" enough for IETF. closed
16:08:01 <yvesr> sandro: genid is now registered
16:08:10 <cygri> excellent!
16:08:27 <yvesr> davidwood: we'll move on to RDF Concepts
16:08:31 <yvesr> topic: RDF Concepts
16:08:54 <cygri> ISSUE-104?
16:08:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-104 -- Too many informative Notes in RDF Concepts -- open
16:08:54 <trackbot>
16:09:00 <davidwood> Check for consensus on (Too many Notes)
16:09:00 <davidwood> 	1.	PROPOSAL: Delete four informative Notes from Concepts as described in
16:09:07 <yvesr> davidwood: let's move on to check on consensus on ISSUE-104
16:09:38 <yvesr> cygri: The background for the issue is that there is a lot of informative text in RDF Concepts
16:09:56 <yvesr> ... It was pointed out that this can be overwhelming
16:10:11 <yvesr> ... The places I identified were based on my own bias
16:10:33 <yvesr> ... The four that are listed in this email are: 1) Concerns with XML 1.1
16:10:47 <yvesr> ... 2) Confusing language tags with locales
16:10:57 <yvesr> ... 3) Some details about how to use schema assets
16:11:29 <yvesr> ... 4) Section regarding language tags
16:11:45 <yvesr> ... If no one wants to speak up for any of them, then I'll drop them
16:11:47 <pfps> These notes were added in response to external comments, I believe.   However, I still support removing them.  Just don't lose them, because there may be cries to reinstate them.
16:12:15 <yvesr> davidwood: There has been a discussion on the mailing list, this should be relatively uncontroversial
16:12:24 <yvesr> cygri: I agree with what pfps said on IRC
16:12:47 <yvesr> ... But I think 8 years later we might try again to remove them
16:12:57 <yvesr> ... If people are concerned about it then we can reinstate them
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16:13:01 <yvesr> ... They don't add much value
16:13:24 <yvesr> davidwood: We could make a WG resolution that we are going to resolve ISSUE-104
16:13:51 <Zakim> + +1.603.438.aaee
16:14:03 <zwu2> zakim, aaee is me
16:14:03 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it
16:14:04 <yvesr> sandro: davidwood is saying the document should provide a pointer
16:14:27 <yvesr> davidwood: We should vote on this
16:14:37 <cygri> +1
16:14:39 <yvesr> +1
16:14:46 <ivan> +1
16:14:46 <pchampin_> +1
16:14:47 <davidwood> +1
16:14:47 <sandro> s/document/resolution/
16:14:47 <Arnaud> +1
16:14:52 <Souri> +1
16:14:55 <markus> +1
16:14:59 <sandro> +0.5  (I like more info....)
16:15:03 <pfps> +1
16:15:08 <tbaker> +1
16:15:10 <AndyS> +1
16:15:21 <zwu2> +1
16:15:44 <sandro>
16:15:51 <AZ> ok +1
16:15:53 <sandro> (that's the proposal we're voting on)
16:16:13 <yvesr> RESOLVED: Delete four informative Notes from Concepts as described in
16:16:17 <davidwood> Check for consensus on ISSUE-110 (Term for g-box)
16:16:17 <davidwood> PROPOSAL 1: Informally call g-boxes “RDF sources” in Concepts
16:16:52 <davidwood> PROPOSAL 2: Keep the informal term “g-box” in Concepts
16:17:12 <yvesr> davidwood: This is an editorial issue in Concepts
16:17:31 <yvesr> ... There has been a discussion on the mailing list
16:17:39 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
16:17:44 <yvesr> ... Unless there are any objections, we should leave that as an editorial issue
16:17:44 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:17:44 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:17:51 <yvesr> sandro: I'd like a WG decision on this
16:17:54 <AndyS> RDF sources
16:17:59 <AZ> 1
16:18:00 <sandro> 1
16:18:00 <yvesr> RDF sources
16:18:01 <pfps> RDF sources
16:18:04 <zwu2> RDF sources sounds better
16:18:07 <markus> RDF sources
16:18:11 <cygri> fine with either
16:18:17 <davidwood> RDF Sources (1)
16:18:18 <pfps> \me down with g-men and g-boxes!
16:18:20 <sandro> 1 for "rdf sources" 2 for "g-box"
16:18:25 <pchampin_> no preference for me
16:18:30 <ericP> 2
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16:18:40 <tbaker> +1 rdf sources
16:18:48 <Souri> 1
16:18:53 <Arnaud> 0, no real preference, both proposals have their pros and cons
16:19:13 <yvesr> davidwood: I believe the vote has come down on the side of RDF sources
16:19:21 <yvesr> ... If anyone objects, could they please speak up
16:19:23 <Arnaud> rdf sources sound better
16:19:44 <yvesr> ... Let's resolve ISSUE-110 by calling them RDF Sources in concepts
16:19:48 <Arnaud> g-box seems more precise/technical
16:19:53 <yvesr> RESOLVED:  Informally call g-boxes “RDF sources” in Concepts
16:20:32 <sandro> (closes issue-110)
16:20:35 <yvesr> pfps: g-box is RDF sources, g-snaps are RDF graphs
16:20:41 <yvesr> s/pfps/ericp
16:20:55 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:20:55 <RRSAgent> See