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15:02:58 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #rdf-wg 15:02:58 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/21-rdf-wg-irc 15:03:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 15:03:00 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #rdf-wg 15:03:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394 15:03:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 57 minutes 15:03:03 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference 15:03:03 <trackbot> Date: 21 November 2012 15:48:42 <rdf-wg> rdf-wg has joined #rdf-wg 15:50:00 <rdf-wg> zakim, who is on the call? 15:50:00 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, rdf-wg 15:50:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see rdf-wg, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, ivan, mischat, AndyS, davidwood, gavinc, Arnaud, trackbot, manu1, manu, yvesr, sandro, ericP 15:50:53 <tbaker> tbaker has joined #rdf-wg 15:51:30 <tbaker> zakim, who is on the call? 15:51:30 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, tbaker 15:51:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see tbaker, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, ivan, mischat, AndyS, davidwood, gavinc, Arnaud, trackbot, manu1, manu, yvesr, sandro, ericP 15:51:37 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started 15:51:38 <Zakim> +EricP 15:52:07 <ericP> tbaker, are you trying to debug something? 15:52:20 <ericP> i've joined (started) the call in case that helps 15:53:18 <tbaker> Yes an irc client on my iPhone 15:53:44 <Zakim> +??P2 15:53:52 <ericP> ahh, you're just asking questions of Zakim 'cause he's likely to answer 15:54:11 <tbaker> Will be only on irc today - in car. 15:54:13 <tbaker> Yes 15:56:35 <pfps> pfps has joined #rdf-wg 15:57:04 <Zakim> +pfps 15:58:27 <pchampin_> pchampin_ has joined #rdf-wg 16:00:38 <Zakim> + +1.540.898.aaaa 16:00:39 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer? 16:00:39 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2012/11/21-rdf-wg-irc#T16-00-39 16:00:53 <davidwood> Zakim, aaaa is mw 16:00:53 <Zakim> +mw; got it 16:01:01 <Zakim> +Sandro 16:01:05 <davidwood> Zakim, aaaa is me 16:01:05 <Zakim> sorry, davidwood, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' 16:01:13 <davidwood> Zakim, mw is me 16:01:13 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it 16:01:48 <Zakim> +??P14 16:01:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 16:01:54 <AndyS> zakim, P14 is me 16:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named 'P14' 16:01:58 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip 16:01:58 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made 16:02:00 <Zakim> +Ivan 16:02:00 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me 16:02:00 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it 16:02:12 <pchampin_> zakim, ??P14 is me 16:02:12 <Zakim> +pchampin_; got it 16:02:40 <yvesr> scribenick: yvesr 16:02:40 <davidwood> Chair: David Wood 16:02:50 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here? 16:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricP, ??P2, pfps, davidwood, Sandro, pchampin_, AndyS, Ivan 16:02:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see pchampin_, pfps, tbaker, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, ivan, mischat, AndyS, davidwood, gavinc, Arnaud, trackbot, manu1, manu, yvesr, sandro, ericP 16:02:52 <Zakim> +MHausenblas 16:02:52 <Zakim> +Arnaud 16:03:36 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb 16:03:38 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aabb 16:03:52 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc 16:03:55 <AZ> AZ has joined #rdf-wg 16:04:01 <Souri> Souri has joined #rdf-wg 16:04:14 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda will be http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.11.21 16:04:20 <markus> markus has joined #rdf-wg 16:04:29 <cygri> cygri has joined #rdf-wg 16:04:45 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me 16:04:45 <Zakim> +cygri; got it 16:04:48 <AndyS> zakim, who is making noise? 16:04:50 <davidwood> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 7 Nov telecon: 16:04:50 <davidwood> 16:04:50 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-11-07 16:04:59 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (39%), Ivan (60%) 16:05:12 <yvesr> RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 7 Nov telecon 16:05:28 <ivan> zakim, mute me 16:05:28 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted 16:05:36 <davidwood> Review of action items 16:05:36 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview 16:05:36 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open 16:05:58 <yvesr> davidwood: andys completed two actions 16:06:01 <Arnaud> zakim, unmute me 16:06:01 <Zakim> Arnaud was not muted, Arnaud 16:06:08 <Zakim> +??P17 16:06:20 <markus> zakim, ??P17 is me 16:06:20 <Zakim> +markus; got it 16:06:32 <yvesr> Arnaud: my action is about the rdf schema document, we were unsure danbri would be able to edit it 16:06:38 <yvesr> Arnaud: danbri said he will be able to do it 16:06:39 <davidwood> CLOSE ACTION-198 16:06:39 <trackbot> ACTION-198 Check with Dan what he wants to do with regard to editorship (remain editor, leave it to Arnaud, remain co-editor?) closed 16:06:50 <davidwood> CLOSE ACTION-206 16:06:50 <trackbot> ACTION-206 Put Turtle tests into W3C space. closed 16:06:56 <davidwood> CLOSE ACTION-207 16:06:56 <trackbot> ACTION-207 Do some documentation/README for the tests. closed 16:06:57 <yvesr> Arnaud: but is there much work to do, now we resolved on rdf:Seq? 16:07:01 <AndyS> AndyS actions - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0223.html 16:07:05 <yvesr> Arnaud: So I think that takes care of my action 16:07:19 <yvesr> davidwood: Moving on to open actions 16:07:30 <Zakim> + +081165aadd 16:07:38 <yvesr> sandro: I want to talk about my IETF action 16:07:39 <sandro> http://www.iana.org/assignments/well-known-uris/well-known-uris.xml 16:07:39 <AZ> Zakim, aadd is me 16:07:39 <Zakim> +AZ; got it 16:07:56 <davidwood> CLOSE ACTION-82 16:07:56 <trackbot> ACTION-82 Draft well-known URI template and propose WG resolution that it is "stable" enough for IETF. closed 16:08:01 <yvesr> sandro: genid is now registered 16:08:10 <cygri> excellent! 16:08:27 <yvesr> davidwood: we'll move on to RDF Concepts 16:08:31 <yvesr> topic: RDF Concepts 16:08:54 <cygri> ISSUE-104? 16:08:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-104 -- Too many informative Notes in RDF Concepts -- open 16:08:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/104 16:09:00 <davidwood> Check for consensus on http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/104 (Too many Notes) 16:09:00 <davidwood> 1. PROPOSAL: Delete four informative Notes from Concepts as described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0131.html 16:09:07 <yvesr> davidwood: let's move on to check on consensus on ISSUE-104 16:09:38 <yvesr> cygri: The background for the issue is that there is a lot of informative text in RDF Concepts 16:09:56 <yvesr> ... It was pointed out that this can be overwhelming 16:10:11 <yvesr> ... The places I identified were based on my own bias 16:10:33 <yvesr> ... The four that are listed in this email are: 1) Concerns with XML 1.1 16:10:47 <yvesr> ... 2) Confusing language tags with locales 16:10:57 <yvesr> ... 3) Some details about how to use schema assets 16:11:29 <yvesr> ... 4) Section regarding language tags 16:11:45 <yvesr> ... If no one wants to speak up for any of them, then I'll drop them 16:11:47 <pfps> These notes were added in response to external comments, I believe. However, I still support removing them. Just don't lose them, because there may be cries to reinstate them. 16:12:15 <yvesr> davidwood: There has been a discussion on the mailing list, this should be relatively uncontroversial 16:12:24 <yvesr> cygri: I agree with what pfps said on IRC 16:12:47 <yvesr> ... But I think 8 years later we might try again to remove them 16:12:57 <yvesr> ... If people are concerned about it then we can reinstate them 16:12:59 <zwu2> zwu2 has joined #rdf-wg 16:13:01 <yvesr> ... They don't add much value 16:13:24 <yvesr> davidwood: We could make a WG resolution that we are going to resolve ISSUE-104 16:13:51 <Zakim> + +1.603.438.aaee 16:14:03 <zwu2> zakim, aaee is me 16:14:03 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it 16:14:04 <yvesr> sandro: davidwood is saying the document should provide a pointer 16:14:27 <yvesr> davidwood: We should vote on this 16:14:37 <cygri> +1 16:14:39 <yvesr> +1 16:14:46 <ivan> +1 16:14:46 <pchampin_> +1 16:14:47 <davidwood> +1 16:14:47 <sandro> s/document/resolution/ 16:14:47 <Arnaud> +1 16:14:52 <Souri> +1 16:14:55 <markus> +1 16:14:59 <sandro> +0.5 (I like more info....) 16:15:03 <pfps> +1 16:15:08 <tbaker> +1 16:15:10 <AndyS> +1 16:15:21 <zwu2> +1 16:15:44 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0131.html 16:15:51 <AZ> ok +1 16:15:53 <sandro> (that's the proposal we're voting on) 16:16:13 <yvesr> RESOLVED: Delete four informative Notes from Concepts as described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0131.html 16:16:17 <davidwood> Check for consensus on ISSUE-110 (Term for g-box) 16:16:17 <davidwood> PROPOSAL 1: Informally call g-boxes “RDF sources” in Concepts 16:16:52 <davidwood> PROPOSAL 2: Keep the informal term “g-box” in Concepts 16:17:12 <yvesr> davidwood: This is an editorial issue in Concepts 16:17:31 <yvesr> ... There has been a discussion on the mailing list 16:17:39 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software 16:17:44 <yvesr> ... Unless there are any objections, we should leave that as an editorial issue 16:17:44 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 16:17:44 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it 16:17:51 <yvesr> sandro: I'd like a WG decision on this 16:17:54 <AndyS> RDF sources 16:17:59 <AZ> 1 16:18:00 <sandro> 1 16:18:00 <yvesr> RDF sources 16:18:01 <pfps> RDF sources 16:18:04 <zwu2> RDF sources sounds better 16:18:07 <markus> RDF sources 16:18:11 <cygri> fine with either 16:18:17 <davidwood> RDF Sources (1) 16:18:18 <pfps> \me down with g-men and g-boxes! 16:18:20 <sandro> 1 for "rdf sources" 2 for "g-box" 16:18:25 <pchampin_> no preference for me 16:18:30 <ericP> 2 16:18:33 <FabGandon> FabGandon has joined #rdf-wg 16:18:40 <tbaker> +1 rdf sources 16:18:48 <Souri> 1 16:18:53 <Arnaud> 0, no real preference, both proposals have their pros and cons 16:19:13 <yvesr> davidwood: I believe the vote has come down on the side of RDF sources 16:19:21 <yvesr> ... If anyone objects, could they please speak up 16:19:23 <Arnaud> rdf sources sound better 16:19:44 <yvesr> ... Let's resolve ISSUE-110 by calling them RDF Sources in concepts 16:19:48 <Arnaud> g-box seems more precise/technical 16:19:53 <yvesr> RESOLVED: Informally call g-boxes “RDF sources” in Concepts 16:20:32 <sandro> (closes issue-110) 16:20:35 <yvesr> pfps: g-box is RDF sources, g-snaps are RDF graphs 16:20:41 <yvesr> s/pfps/ericp 16:20:55 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer? 16:20:55 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2012/11/21-rdf-wg-irc#T16-20-55 # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000189