RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 12 December 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.12.12
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Arnaud Le Hors, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Richard Cyganiak, Souripriya Das, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Raimond, Zhe Wu
Chair
Guus Schreiber
Scribe
Richard Cyganiak, Eric Prud'hommeaux
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Accept the minutes of the 05 December telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-12-05 link
  2. provide At Risk text which notes: 1 change from prior publication; 2 that the WG wants "<><><>;;;." to be legal; 3 that we will look for a grammar representation which produces no S/R conflicts in LL(1) or LALR(1) link
  3. that the Rdf WG ask the director for a transition of the Turtle Spec <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html> from Last Call to Candidate Rec link
Topics
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15:58:10 <trackbot> Date: 12 December 2012
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16:01:14 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ - current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.12.12

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16:01:36 <Guus_> eric: can you scribe

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16:02:11 <Guus_> zakim, who is here?

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16:02:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, Guus_, MacTed (muted)

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16:02:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see gkellogg, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus_, davidwood1, LeeF, MacTed, ivan, Arnaud, mischat, manu, ericP, manu1, trackbot, yvesr, sandro

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16:02:51 <Guus_> three of us here, waiting for others to join

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16:03:09 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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16:03:12 <Zakim> +LeeF

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16:03:56 <Zakim> +ivan

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16:04:34 <Zakim> +EricP

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16:05:08 <Zakim> +MHausenblas

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16:05:21 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

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16:06:16 <cygri> scribe: cygri

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16:06:20 <Zakim> +PatH

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16:06:36 <PatH> zakim, mute me

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16:07:18 <cygri> chair: guus
16:07:24 <cygri> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.12.12
16:07:26 <cygri> topic: Admin

1. Admin

16:07:48 <cygri> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 05 December telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-12-05

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 05 December telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-12-05

16:08:08 <zwu2> got a phone problem...

Zhe Wu: got a phone problem...

16:08:18 <cygri> RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of the 05 December telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-12-05

RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of the 05 December telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-12-05

16:08:32 <cygri> Review of action items

Review of action items

16:08:33 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview

http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview

16:08:45 <cygri> guus: I think sandro can claim success on one action

Guus Schreiber: I think sandro can claim success on one action

16:09:05 <cygri> ACTION-217?

ACTION-217?

16:09:05 <trackbot> ACTION-217 -- Sandro Hawke to produce an LALR grammar that supports "<a> <b> <c> ; ;" and "<a> <b> <c> ; ; ." -- due 2012-12-12 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-217 -- Sandro Hawke to produce an LALR grammar that supports "<a> <b> <c> ; ;" and "<a> <b> <c> ; ; ." -- due 2012-12-12 -- OPEN

16:09:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/217

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16:10:08 <cygri> topic: Turtle

2. Turtle

16:10:20 <cygri> subtopic: I18N comments

2.1. I18N comments

16:10:32 <cygri> guus: I18n came with a long list of responses just before the deadline we set

Guus Schreiber: I18n came with a long list of responses just before the deadline we set

16:11:02 <cygri> ... I invited someone from i18n WG to join us

... I invited someone from i18n WG to join us

16:11:13 <cygri> ericP: their meeting is in parallel

Eric Prud'hommeaux: their meeting is in parallel

16:11:39 <cygri> mail from addison: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0030.html

mail from addison: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0030.html

16:11:57 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/20121210234622.GE25523@w3.org -> ericP'

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/mid/20121210234622.GE25523@w3.org -> ericP'

16:12:20 <Zakim> + +1.408.992.aabb

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16:12:27 <cygri> ericP: issue-178 is a nit about how BCP47 is referenced

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ISSUE-178 is a nit about how BCP47 is referenced

16:12:42 <cygri> ... I pointed out where the reference is, and he was content with that

... I pointed out where the reference is, and he was content with that

16:13:07 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/mid/131F80DEA635F044946897AFDA9AC34773A90CC92C@EX-SEA31-D.ant.amazon.com

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/mid/131F80DEA635F044946897AFDA9AC34773A90CC92C@EX-SEA31-D.ant.amazon.com

16:13:17 <cygri> guus: is his response on the mailing list?

Guus Schreiber: is his response on the mailing list?

16:13:22 <MacTed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2012OctDec/0133.html

Ted Thibodeau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2012OctDec/0133.html

16:13:33 <cygri> ericP: it's on the www-international list

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's on the www-international list

16:14:41 <cygri> ... issue-180, i fixed this everywhere except in the grammar, where we follow XML grammar convention. he was content with that.

... ISSUE-180, i fixed this everywhere except in the grammar, where we follow XML grammar convention. he was content with that.

16:15:32 <cygri> ... issue-183, we need good examples for integer, decimal and double

... ISSUE-183, we need good examples for integer, decimal and double

16:15:38 <cygri> ... for the shortcut notations

... for the shortcut notations

16:15:51 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc

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16:16:01 <ericP> > @prefix : <http://example.org/elements> .

Eric Prud'hommeaux: > @prefix : <http://example.org/elements> .

16:16:05 <ericP> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium>

Eric Prud'hommeaux: > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium>

16:16:09 <cygri> ... the complaint was that i was using quantities without explicit units

... the complaint was that i was using quantities without explicit units

16:16:09 <ericP> >     :atomicNumber 2 ;               # xsd:integer

Eric Prud'hommeaux: > :atomicNumber 2 ; # xsd:integer

16:16:13 <ericP> >     :atomicMass 4.002602 ;          # xsd:decimal

Eric Prud'hommeaux: > :atomicMass 4.002602 ; # xsd:decimal

16:16:17 <ericP> >     :specificGravity 1.663E-4 .     # xsd:double

Eric Prud'hommeaux: > :specificGravity 1.663E-4 . # xsd:double

16:16:45 <cygri> ... i came up with a chemistry example. he liked it. it might be a bit harder to approach. i can commit if the WG is ok with it

... i came up with a chemistry example. he liked it. it might be a bit harder to approach. i can commit if the WG is ok with it

16:16:52 <PatH> I like it, especially if it said in a squeaky voice.

Patrick Hayes: I like it, especially if it said in a squeaky voice.

16:17:13 <cygri> guus: any objections to using it?

Guus Schreiber: any objections to using it?

16:17:14 <Zakim> + +1.603.438.aadd

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16:17:22 <cygri> ... none heard

... none heard

16:17:33 <zwu2> zakim, +1.603.438.aadd is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.438.aadd is me

16:17:33 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it

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16:17:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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16:17:54 <cygri> ericP: (does the hg push dance in the background)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: (does the hg push dance in the background)

16:17:57 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me

16:17:57 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

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16:18:36 <cygri> ... issue-189 was effectively the same as issue-178

... ISSUE-189 was effectively the same as ISSUE-178

16:19:12 <cygri> ... issue-190 requires no action on our part, he agreed that staying aligned with XML is a reasonable choice

... ISSUE-190 requires no action on our part, he agreed that staying aligned with XML is a reasonable choice

16:19:16 <cygri> ... that's all

... that's all

16:19:33 <cygri> guus: very good, that's not as bad as i thought

Guus Schreiber: very good, that's not as bad as i thought

16:19:35 <PatH> Well done Eric.

Patrick Hayes: Well done Eric.

16:20:02 <cygri> ... it would be good if this was on record on our comments list

... it would be good if this was on record on our comments list

16:20:09 <cygri> ericP: i'll try to bounce it there

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i'll try to bounce it there

16:20:43 <cygri> subtopic: Left-recursive LALR(1) grammar for turtle

2.2. Left-recursive LALR(1) grammar for turtle

16:21:05 <cygri> ericP: it would be very nice to publish with an LALR or LL1 grammar

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it would be very nice to publish with an LALR or LL1 grammar

16:21:17 <cygri> ... andy said that sandro's grammar has a shift-reduce conflict

... andy said that sandro's grammar has a shift-reduce conflict

16:21:34 <AndyS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_recursion

Andy Seaborne: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_recursion

16:21:36 <cygri> ... including those is unfortunate as it's bad for error reporting

... including those is unfortunate as it's bad for error reporting

16:21:45 <cygri> ... but we need to make progress

... but we need to make progress

16:22:12 <cygri> ... propose adding a note that shows both productions

... propose adding a note that shows both productions

16:22:13 <AndyS> The S/R error is silent in many systems (default is shift - see Bison reference)

Andy Seaborne: The S/R error is silent in many systems (default is shift - see Bison reference)

16:22:38 <cygri> ... mark it as an at-risk feature in the next publication

... mark it as an at-risk feature in the next publication

16:22:40 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:22:43 <Guus_> q?

Guus Schreiber: q?

16:22:59 <cygri> ivan: you think we can't go to CR?

Ivan Herman: you think we can't go to CR?

16:23:07 <ericP> <><><>;;;.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: <><><>;;;.

16:23:18 <cygri> ericP: if we changed the language -- changed what's an acceptable turtle document...

Eric Prud'hommeaux: if we changed the language -- changed what's an acceptable turtle document...

16:23:20 <Arnaud> didn't we go over this last week already??

Arnaud Le Hors: didn't we go over this last week already??

16:23:32 <cygri> ivan: if you mark the specific feature at-risk, then i don't see a problem

Ivan Herman: if you mark the specific feature at-risk, then i don't see a problem

16:23:50 <cygri> guus: we discussed this extensively last week

Guus Schreiber: we discussed this extensively last week

16:24:17 <AndyS> q+ to ask why we replace one rule with one which creates probs for other people.

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask why we replace one rule with one which creates probs for other people.

16:24:19 <cygri> ericP: i just would like to make sure that the at-risk text mentions that we plan to find a grammar that's LALR1 and LL1 friendly

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i just would like to make sure that the at-risk text mentions that we plan to find a grammar that's LALR1 and LL1 friendly

16:24:30 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

16:24:52 <PatH> Aew we going to do that or are we inviting the world to ty to write one?

Patrick Hayes: Aew we going to do that or are we inviting the world to ty to write one?

16:25:37 <PatH> q?

Patrick Hayes: q?

16:26:27 <ericP> PROPOSED: provide At Risk text which notes: 1 change from prior publication; 2 that the WG wants "<><><>;;;." to be legal; 3 that we will look for a grammar representation which produces no S/R conflicts in LL(1) or LALR(1)

PROPOSED: provide At Risk text which notes: 1 change from prior publication; 2 that the WG wants "<><><>;;;." to be legal; 3 that we will look for a grammar representation which produces no S/R conflicts in LL(1) or LALR(1)

16:26:49 <cygri> ericP: this should be possible, as SPARQL grammar doesn't have conflicts

Eric Prud'hommeaux: this should be possible, as SPARQL grammar doesn't have conflicts

16:27:53 <cygri> AndyS: i thought the agreement was to keep the grammar from sparql, and add a note saying how it can be done with a different grammar

Andy Seaborne: i thought the agreement was to keep the grammar from sparql, and add a note saying how it can be done with a different grammar

16:28:14 <cygri> ericP: I believe that's a change from the previous publication

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I believe that's a change from the previous publication

16:28:51 <cygri> AndyS: we shouldn't be making life more difficult for some people just to make it easier for some others.

Andy Seaborne: we shouldn't be making life more difficult for some people just to make it easier for some others.

16:29:11 <cygri> ericP: what's wrong with finding a grammar that works for both?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: what's wrong with finding a grammar that works for both?

16:29:43 <cygri> [scribe can't keep up]

[scribe can't keep up]

16:30:05 <Guus_> let's summarize later, richard

Guus Schreiber: let's summarize later, richard

16:30:29 <AndyS> SPARQL -- [77]  PropertyListNotEmpty  ::=  Verb ObjectList ( ';' ( Verb ObjectList )? )*

Andy Seaborne: SPARQL -- [77] PropertyListNotEmpty ::= Verb ObjectList ( ';' ( Verb ObjectList )? )*

16:30:42 <cygri> ericP: i think we could make a grammar that is LL1 and LALR1 friendly. but that would take too much time.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i think we could make a grammar that is LL1 and LALR1 friendly. but that would take too much time.

16:31:18 <cygri> AndyS: we would then have different grammars for turtle and sparql

Andy Seaborne: we would then have different grammars for turtle and sparql

16:32:04 <cygri> ericP: what's the concern with finding a LALR1 friendly expression?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: what's the concern with finding a LALR1 friendly expression?

16:34:35 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0025.html

Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0025.html

16:34:56 <cygri> ericP: the SPARQL grammar has no shift-reduce conflict, but the same grammar rules produce a shift-reduce conflict in turtle because the context is different

Eric Prud'hommeaux: the SPARQL grammar has no shift-reduce conflict, but the same grammar rules produce a shift-reduce conflict in turtle because the context is different

16:36:33 <cygri> [disagreement whether the current grammar produces a S/R conflict or not]

[disagreement whether the current grammar produces a S/R conflict or not]

16:37:35 <PatH> Hey, the Pope just tweeted.

Patrick Hayes: Hey, the Pope just tweeted.

16:38:02 <LeeF> :-)

Lee Feigenbaum: :-)

16:38:10 <AndyS> I do not support the text but will not object.

Andy Seaborne: I do not support the text but will not object.

16:38:19 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

16:38:25 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:38:37 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

16:38:41 <zwu2> +0

Zhe Wu: +0

16:38:42 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:38:44 <cygri> ±0

±0

16:38:47 <PatH> +0

Patrick Hayes: +0

16:38:51 <MacTed> +0

Ted Thibodeau: +0

16:38:57 <Souri> 0

Souripriya Das: 0

16:39:12 <yvesr> 0

Yves Raimond: 0

16:39:46 <cygri> ivan: having an at-risk on a minor detail like that is the way to go, shouldn't hold up CR

Ivan Herman: having an at-risk on a minor detail like that is the way to go, shouldn't hold up CR

16:39:56 <LeeF> +1

Lee Feigenbaum: +1

16:40:07 <cygri> ericP: but the question is whether it should also say that we may still tweak the grammar

Eric Prud'hommeaux: but the question is whether it should also say that we may still tweak the grammar

16:40:11 <AndyS> Alternative proposal -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0025.html

Andy Seaborne: Alternative proposal -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Dec/0025.html

16:40:35 <cygri> RESOLUTION: provide At Risk text which notes: 1 change from prior publication; 2 that the WG wants "<><><>;;;." to be legal; 3 that we will look for a grammar representation which produces no S/R conflicts in LL(1) or LALR(1)

RESOLVED: provide At Risk text which notes: 1 change from prior publication; 2 that the WG wants "<><><>;;;." to be legal; 3 that we will look for a grammar representation which produces no S/R conflicts in LL(1) or LALR(1)

16:40:53 <cygri> AndyS: alternative proposal is for the record

Andy Seaborne: alternative proposal is for the record

16:41:28 <cygri> guus: ivan, would it be okay to make CR proposal given that it was not on the agenda?

Guus Schreiber: ivan, would it be okay to make CR proposal given that it was not on the agenda?

16:41:31 <cygri> ivan: yes

Ivan Herman: yes

16:41:56 <ericP> -> dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html editor's draft of Turtle Spec

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html editor's draft of Turtle Spec

16:42:07 <ericP> -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html editor's draft of Turtle Spec

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html editor's draft of Turtle Spec

16:42:16 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:43:31 <ericP> PROPOSAL: that the Rdf WG ask for a transition of the Turtle Spec from LC to CR

PROPOSED: that the Rdf WG ask for a transition of the Turtle Spec from LC to CR

16:44:13 <cygri> subtopic: CR transition

2.3. CR transition

16:45:25 <cygri> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/402f2133f823/rdf-turtle/index.html

http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/402f2133f823/rdf-turtle/index.html

16:45:25 <ericP> PROPOSAL: that the Rdf WG ask the director for a transition of the Turtle Spec <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html> from Last Call to Candidate Rec

PROPOSED: that the Rdf WG ask the director for a transition of the Turtle Spec <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html> from Last Call to Candidate Rec

16:45:53 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

16:45:54 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:45:58 <Guus_> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

16:45:58 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

16:45:59 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

16:45:59 <cygri> +1

+1

16:46:01 <zwu2> 1

Zhe Wu: 1

16:46:01 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:46:09 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

16:46:15 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

16:46:38 <ericP> RESOLVED: that the Rdf WG ask the director for a transition of the Turtle Spec <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html> from Last Call to Candidate Rec

RESOLVED: that the Rdf WG ask the director for a transition of the Turtle Spec <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html> from Last Call to Candidate Rec

16:46:51 <cygri> guus: would like to thank the editors

Guus Schreiber: would like to thank the editors

16:47:14 <ericP> ACTION: guus to write Turtle CR transtion request

ACTION: guus to write Turtle CR transtion request

16:47:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-218 - Write Turtle CR transtion request [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-12-19].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-218 - Write Turtle CR transtion request [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-12-19].

16:47:17 <cygri> ... i will write the transition request, may need some input from the eds

... i will write the transition request, may need some input from the eds

16:47:34 <cygri> ivan: target publication date would be 1st or 2nd week of january

Ivan Herman: target publication date would be 1st or 2nd week of january

16:48:07 <cygri> ... there has to be one week between the request for transition and the transition itself

... there has to be one week between the request for transition and the transition itself

16:48:47 <cygri> ... the final version has to be frozen and goes to the transition call

... the final version has to be frozen and goes to the transition call

16:48:58 <cygri> ... when can you cast it in concrete?

... when can you cast it in concrete?

16:49:07 <cygri> ericP: tomorrow, today, when is it needed?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: tomorrow, today, when is it needed?

16:49:28 <cygri> guus: i would like to have a frozen version as quick as we can

Guus Schreiber: i would like to have a frozen version as quick as we can

16:50:01 <cygri> ivan: we need five business day between transition request and transition call

Ivan Herman: we need five business day between transition request and transition call

16:50:15 <cygri> guus: can we have the call end of next week?

Guus Schreiber: can we have the call end of next week?

16:50:37 <cygri> ivan: we could try next week friday if the request goes out tomorrow

Ivan Herman: we could try next week friday if the request goes out tomorrow

16:51:11 <cygri> ... assuming ralph is around

... assuming ralph is around

16:51:45 <cygri> guus: so if the request goes out next week, we can have the call first business week of january

Guus Schreiber: so if the request goes out next week, we can have the call first business week of january

16:52:54 <cygri> ... one more topic for the CR transition is testing

... one more topic for the CR transition is testing

16:53:06 <cygri> ... i'll put it on the agenda next week

... i'll put it on the agenda next week

16:53:28 <ericP> scribenick: ericP

(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)

16:53:33 <ericP> topic: JSON-LD

3. JSON-LD

16:54:13 <Guus_> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

16:54:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, Guus_, MacTed (muted), Arnaud (muted), LeeF, ivan, EricP, cygri, PatH (muted), +1.408.992.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, zwu2, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yvesr, Guus_, MacTed (muted), Arnaud (muted), LeeF, ivan, EricP, cygri, PatH (muted), +1.408.992.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, zwu2, AndyS

16:54:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see swh, Souri, AndyS, pfps, cygri, PatH, zwu2, gkellogg, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus_, davidwood1, LeeF, MacTed, ivan, Arnaud, mischat, manu, ericP, manu1, trackbot, yvesr,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see swh, Souri, AndyS, pfps, cygri, PatH, zwu2, gkellogg, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus_, davidwood1, LeeF, MacTed, ivan, Arnaud, mischat, manu, ericP, manu1, trackbot, yvesr,

16:54:15 <Zakim> ... sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro

16:55:15 <ericP> guus: i tried to push some work from your plate to the task force. did that work?

Guus Schreiber: i tried to push some work from your plate to the task force. did that work?

16:55:22 <ericP> cygri: not sure if there's been progress?

Richard Cyganiak: not sure if there's been progress?

16:55:30 <ericP> topic: RDF Concepts

4. RDF Concepts

16:55:51 <ericP> guus: last week, we agreed to publish, presuming agreement of the editors

Guus Schreiber: last week, we agreed to publish, presuming agreement of the editors

16:56:01 <ericP> ... pfps published a review just afterwards

... pfps published a review just afterwards

16:56:21 <ericP> cygri: pfps and antoine gave many good comments

Richard Cyganiak: pfps and antoine gave many good comments

16:56:33 <ericP> ... they agreed to publish if we could address them

... they agreed to publish if we could address them

16:56:40 <ericP> ... that was the outcome of two weeks ago

... that was the outcome of two weeks ago

16:56:50 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

16:57:10 <ericP> ... i haven't updated the doc to reflect these comments, but they all seem feasible

... i haven't updated the doc to reflect these comments, but they all seem feasible

16:57:21 <ericP> ... at the worst, there will be some new issue text

... at the worst, there will be some new issue text

16:59:01 <ericP> ivan: if denis has the text in hand today, he can publish tomorrow

Ivan Herman: if denis has the text in hand today, he can publish tomorrow

16:59:31 <ericP> cygri: today boston time means next 4 hours. i *think* i can pull this off

Richard Cyganiak: today boston time means next 4 hours. i *think* i can pull this off

17:00:21 <ericP> ... i'd like to get this off my plate

... i'd like to get this off my plate

17:00:33 <Zakim> -PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH

17:00:43 <PatH> bye all.

Patrick Hayes: bye all.

17:00:46 <zwu2> bye

Zhe Wu: bye

17:00:48 <Zakim> - +1.408.992.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.408.992.aabb

17:00:50 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

17:00:50 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.603.897.aacc

17:00:52 <Zakim> -zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2

17:00:52 <Zakim> -yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr

17:00:56 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

17:00:56 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

17:00:56 <Zakim> -ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -ivan

17:00:59 <cygri> ivan, just to confirm

Richard Cyganiak: ivan, just to confirm

17:01:06 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

17:01:10 <ivan> yes?

Ivan Herman: yes?

17:01:11 <cygri> what exactly do i send to whom?

Richard Cyganiak: what exactly do i send to whom?

17:01:12 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

17:01:45 <ivan> Denis Ah-Kang <denis@w3.org>, copy to webreq@w3.org

Ivan Herman: Denis Ah-Kang <denis@w3.org>, copy to webreq@w3.org

17:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_

17:01:57 <Zakim> Guus_ is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Guus_ is being disconnected

17:01:58 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

17:01:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +31.20.598.aaaa, Guus_, yvesr, MacTed, Arnaud, LeeF, ivan, EricP, cygri, PatH, +1.408.992.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, zwu2, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +31.20.598.aaaa, Guus_, yvesr, MacTed, Arnaud, LeeF, ivan, EricP, cygri, PatH, +1.408.992.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, zwu2, AndyS

17:02:10 <cygri> excellent, ivan. what do i need to provide along with the link?

Richard Cyganiak: excellent, ivan. what do i need to provide along with the link?

17:02:24 <cygri> just the url or anything else?

Richard Cyganiak: just the url or anything else?

17:02:29 <ivan> richard, I will draft and send an official publication request

Ivan Herman: richard, I will draft and send an official publication request

17:02:33 <ivan> cc to you

Ivan Herman: cc to you

17:02:41 <cygri> ok great

Richard Cyganiak: ok great

17:02:45 <ivan> and then you will have to send him the exact URI where the text is

Ivan Herman: and then you will have to send him the exact URI where the text is

17:02:53 <ivan> whenever it is done

Ivan Herman: whenever it is done

17:03:08 <cygri> awesome. i'll go do my editing then

Richard Cyganiak: awesome. i'll go do my editing then

17:03:47 <cygri> thanks a lot ivan!

Richard Cyganiak: thanks a lot ivan!



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