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15:19:06 <jcheney> q+
 
15:19:06 <jcheney> q+
 
15:19:15 <pgroth> ack jcheney
 
15:19:15 <pgroth> ack jcheney
15:19:29 <christine> James: need reviewers for PROV-SEM
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15:19:29 <christine> jcheney: need reviewers for PROV-SEM
 
15:19:48 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-SEM
 
15:19:48 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-SEM
 
15:19:56 <jcheney> draft almost done: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/semantics/releases/NOTE-prov-sem-20130430/Overview.html
 
15:19:56 <jcheney> draft almost done: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/semantics/releases/NOTE-prov-sem-20130430/Overview.html
 
15:20:05 <GK> I'd like to review PROV-SEM, but cannot be sure I'll have time in the coming week.
 
15:20:05 <GK> I'd like to review PROV-SEM, but cannot be sure I'll have time in the coming week.
15:20:38 <christine> James: vote on everything next week?
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15:20:38 <christine> jcheney: vote on everything next week?
 
15:20:45 <christine> Paul: yes (if not today)
 
15:20:45 <christine> Paul: yes (if not today)
15:21:16 <christine> James: better if reviewers can look now rather than waiting for it to be completely done
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15:21:16 <christine> jcheney: better if reviewers can look now rather than waiting for it to be completely done
 
15:21:22 <khalidBelhajjame> I ll review it
 
15:21:22 <khalidBelhajjame> I ll review it
 
15:21:23 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
 
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15:22:48 <Luc_> q+
 
15:22:48 <Luc_> q+
 
15:22:48 <satya> I will try to complete
 
15:22:48 <satya> I will try to complete
15:22:53 <christine> James: goal to have something complete - anything controversial will have to be left out
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15:22:53 <christine> jcheney: goal to have something complete - anything controversial will have to be left out
 
15:23:10 <pgroth> ack Luc_
 
15:23:10 <pgroth> ack Luc_
 
15:23:28 <christine> Luc: What change has been regarding this issue [?]
 
15:23:28 <christine> Luc: What change has been regarding this issue [?]
15:24:11 <christine> James: to get semantics general enough to not constrain the formal constraints - less of the connection to the inituitve model but necessary
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15:24:11 <christine> jcheney: to get semantics general enough to not constrain the formal constraints - less of the connection to the inituitve model but necessary
15:24:27 <christine> James: takes a while to figure out the right way to do that
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15:24:27 <christine> jcheney: takes a while to figure out the right way to do that
 
15:24:33 <pgroth> reviewers - Tom, Khalid, (tom's colleague), simon, satya,
 
15:24:33 <pgroth> reviewers - Tom, Khalid, (tom's colleague), simon, satya,
 
15:24:41 <Luc_> +1 will attempt a quick review
 
15:24:41 <Luc_> +1 will attempt a quick review
 
15:24:53 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Primer
 
15:24:53 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Primer
15:25:14 <christine> Simon: received some reviews - only outstanding is from Craig
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15:25:14 <christine> smiles: received some reviews - only outstanding is from Craig
15:25:34 <christine> Simon: don't see any blocking issues - will make the changes by next week - timeframe is okay
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15:25:34 <christine> smiles: don't see any blocking issues - will make the changes by next week - timeframe is okay
 
15:25:36 <pgroth> q?
 
15:25:36 <pgroth> q?
 
15:25:42 <khalidBelhajjame> It read well, no comment really
 
15:25:42 <khalidBelhajjame> It read well, no comment really
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15:44:19 <christine> Luc: fine with that
 
15:44:19 <christine> Luc: fine with that
 
15:44:44 <stain> it might be easiest to identify people like [ a prov:Person, foaf:homepage <http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Lmorea> ]
 
15:44:44 <stain> it might be easiest to identify people like [ a prov:Person, foaf:homepage <http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Lmorea> ]
15:45:09 <stain> foaf:homepage is inverse functional, thus identifying (but not being) the person
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15:45:09 <stain> - foaf:homepage is inverse functional, thus identifying (but not being) the person
 
15:45:19 <christine> [?] useful to add the link from the RDF files ...
 
15:45:19 <christine> [?] useful to add the link from the RDF files ...
 
15:45:20 <pgroth> q+
 
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15:48:08 <pgroth> ack smiles
 
15:48:08 <pgroth> ack smiles
 
15:48:24 <Luc_> up to editors
 
15:48:24 <Luc_> up to editors
15:48:29 <christine> Simon: re provenance for primer - what is the preference?
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15:48:29 <christine> smiles: re provenance for primer - what is the preference?
 
15:48:40 <christine> Luc: editors can decide to use the same provenance, don't have to
 
15:48:40 <christine> Luc: editors can decide to use the same provenance, don't have to
 
15:49:06 <ivan> q+
 
15:49:06 <ivan> q+
 
15:49:12 <pgroth> ack ivan
 
15:49:12 <pgroth> ack ivan
 
15:49:16 <christine> Paul: thanks everyone, good work, keep it up
 
15:49:16 <christine> Paul: thanks everyone, good work, keep it up
15:49:18 <dgarijo> @Simon: we did already a file for prov-o. You can base yours in that one, if you want
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15:49:18 <dgarijo> @smiles: we did already a file for prov-o. You can base yours in that one, if you want
 
15:49:55 <christine> Ivan: votes ends on Tuesday - well send an official transition request to publish - expect to get green light by email - try to take care of this next week
 
15:49:55 <christine> Ivan: votes ends on Tuesday - well send an official transition request to publish - expect to get green light by email - try to take care of this next week
 
15:50:14 <dgarijo> bbye
 
15:50:14 <dgarijo> bbye

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14:55:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
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14:55:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:55:41 <trackbot> Date: 04 April 2013
14:55:43 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
14:55:44 <Zakim> ok, pgroth, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started
14:56:19 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.04
14:56:30 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
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14:56:42 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the call?
14:56:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
14:56:50 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:56:50 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
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14:59:15 <pgroth> can anyone scribe?
14:59:17 <christine> Zakim, [IPcaller.a] is christine
14:59:17 <Zakim> +christine; got it
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14:59:49 <GK> zakim, ??p6 is me
14:59:51 <Zakim> +GK; got it
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14:59:56 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
15:00:13 <pgroth> scribe: christine
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15:00:46 <pgroth> Zakim, who is on  the call?
15:00:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, [IPcaller], christine, GK, dgarijo, [IPcaller.a], +1.661.748.aaaa
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15:00:53 <stain> zakim, « and » is me
15:00:53 <Zakim> I don't understand '« and » is me', stain
15:00:56 <stain> args!
15:01:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
15:01:12 <smiles> zakim, +1.661.748.aaaa is me
15:01:12 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
15:01:13 <Luc_> zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is me
15:01:13 <Zakim> sorry, Luc_, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]'
15:01:17 <stain> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
15:01:17 <Zakim> +stain; got it
15:01:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:01:22 <pgroth> Topic: Admin
15:01:28 <Luc_> zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is me
15:01:28 <Zakim> +Luc_; got it
15:01:29 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-03-28
15:01:36 <pgroth> Minutes of March 28, 2013 Telcon
15:01:41 <dgarijo> +1
15:01:45 <christine> Vote on minutes of last week
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15:01:48 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
15:01:51 <GK> +1
15:01:58 <smiles> +1
15:02:01 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
15:02:02 <stain> +1
15:02:03 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it
15:02:23 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
15:02:26 <Paolo> +1
15:02:26 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes of March 28, 2013 Telcon
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15:02:38 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aabb
15:02:38 <christine> Review of Open Action Items
15:02:48 <christine> Update to editorial (for Paul)
15:02:49 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
15:02:54 <ivan> zakim, code?
15:02:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
15:02:59 <christine> Closed - Graham took care of this
15:03:14 <Zakim> +ivan
15:03:16 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:03:16 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
15:03:18 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
15:03:18 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
15:03:21 <christine> Blog post action items are also closed
15:03:38 <pgroth> Topic: AC Rep Reminder
15:03:52 <pgroth> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/provpf/results
15:04:01 <christine> Results of current voting see link above
15:04:07 <christine> 16 votes so far
15:04:25 <christine> Quite good. It would be good to have more votes.
15:04:43 <christine> Still waiting for some replies. We may get up to 19 votes by next week.
15:04:56 <TomDN> TomDN has joined #prov
15:04:58 <Zakim> +TomDN
15:05:06 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
15:05:06 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
15:05:09 <christine> Paul: Please make sure your AC Reps vote.
15:05:12 <pgroth> 1?
15:05:14 <pgroth> q?
15:05:25 <pgroth> Topic: Blog Posts
15:05:33 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2013/03/29/dublin-core-to-prov-mapping/
15:05:40 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2013/04/03/successful-prov-tutorial-at-edbt/
15:05:43 <christine> Paul: 2 blog posts in the last week - see links above
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15:06:13 <dgarijo> yes
15:06:16 <stain> yes
15:06:29 <christine> Thanks to Daniel and Stain for two additional blog posts
15:06:34 <dgarijo> no problem :)
15:06:35 <christine> They will be posted in the next week
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15:07:03 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-SEM
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15:07:05 <christine> Paul: review of outstanding items
15:07:23 <SamCoppens> zakim, I am with TomDN
15:07:23 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
15:07:25 <Zakim> +jcheney
15:07:25 <Zakim> -jcheney
15:07:26 <pgroth> james?
15:07:27 <christine> Paul: is PROV-SEM ready to be sent out for review?
15:07:35 <jcheney> just tried calling in will try again
15:07:46 <jcheney> sorry
15:07:47 <christine> Moving to another item
15:07:50 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Overview
15:08:17 <christine> Paul: Not ready - edits not finished - more time needed - hopefully can sent out by Monday of next week
15:08:22 <pgroth> q?
15:08:45 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-XML
15:08:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
15:08:59 <jcheney> zakim, +[ipcaller.aa] is me
15:08:59 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+[ipcaller.aa]'
15:09:01 <christine> Update from Stephen
15:09:05 <jcheney> zakim, aa is me
15:09:05 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'
15:09:08 <jcheney> zakim, aa] is me
15:09:08 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa]'
15:09:13 <jcheney> zakim, [ipcaller.aa] is me
15:09:13 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
15:09:24 <christine> Stephen: is ready for review but is missing the FAQ entry
15:09:38 <christine> but the note content is ready for review
15:09:48 <Luc_> s/Stephen/zednik/
15:09:51 <christine> Paul: is the schema finalised?
15:10:21 <christine> Stephen: yes but FAQ may introduce a modification to the new schema but not a change to the schema - so my intention that it is finalised
15:10:29 <christine> Paul: review by what date?
15:10:54 <christine> Stephen: staged last night - not sure
15:11:10 <christine> Paul: original reviews by 4 and changes by 15
15:11:29 <christine> Paul: if reviewed by 11 can you incorporate changes by 15
15:11:52 <christine> Stephen: hope so - small changes ok - but 11th and 15th should work
15:11:59 <christine> Paul: reviewer?
15:12:03 <Luc_> +1
15:12:16 <pgroth> +1
15:12:22 <TomDN> +1
15:12:45 <christine> Paul: any responses from our last publication of it?
15:12:57 <christine> ? from Luc
15:13:18 <christine> Paul: will try to get someone from Oracle to take a look
15:13:58 <christine> and would be good for Henry to review
15:14:10 <pgroth> q?
15:14:28 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-AQ
15:14:34 <SamCoppens> zakim, unmute me
15:14:34 <Zakim> sorry, SamCoppens, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:14:52 <SamCoppens> My review is following tonight
15:15:06 <christine> Graham: we have reviews in now from Stain and Luc - not one from Sam yet - had a cursory look at the review - not aware of any blocker there
15:15:09 <SamCoppens> but no blocking issues from my side
15:15:50 <christine> Graham: plan to review in detail in the coming week and finalise the document by this time next week - and then aim to hand over to Paul to finish up as will be out of circulation in 2 weeks time
15:16:05 <christine> Paul: Stain and Luc, could we vote to be a final note?
15:16:08 <Luc_> q+
15:16:45 <SamCoppens> zakim, unmute TomDN
15:16:45 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
15:16:49 <pgroth> ack Luc_
15:17:15 <SamCoppens> q+
15:17:21 <christine> Luc: we want to publish the note - some comments are more serious than Graham said - related to ping back - would like to see some responses to my comments
15:17:23 <pgroth> ack SamCoppens
15:17:40 <christine> Sam: read the document today - will send review tonight - no blocking issues
15:17:48 <stain> q+
15:17:51 <GK> I'll need to look in more detail at Luc;s comments, and the others - I'll respond when I do so.
15:18:10 <pgroth> ack stain
15:18:27 <christine> Stain: no blocking issues but some of my issues are more serious
15:18:32 <SamCoppens> zakim, mute TomDN
15:18:32 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
15:18:44 <christine> Paul: then let's wait for next week for the vote
15:19:06 <christine> to ensure issues are addressed before vote
15:19:06 <jcheney> q+
15:19:15 <pgroth> ack jcheney
15:19:29 <christine> jcheney: need reviewers for PROV-SEM
15:19:48 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-SEM
15:19:56 <jcheney> draft almost done: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/semantics/releases/NOTE-prov-sem-20130430/Overview.html
15:20:05 <GK> I'd like to review PROV-SEM, but cannot be sure I'll have time in the coming week.
15:20:38 <christine> jcheney: vote on everything next week?
15:20:45 <christine> Paul: yes (if not today)
15:21:16 <christine> jcheney: better if reviewers can look now rather than waiting for it to be completely done
15:21:22 <khalidBelhajjame> I ll review it
15:21:23 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
15:21:23 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
15:21:26 <TomDN> q+
15:21:32 <christine> Paul: reviewers
15:21:33 <pgroth> ack TomDN
15:21:55 <smiles> I can review it
15:21:55 <christine> Tom: a colleague (logic/maths background) and Tom will review
15:22:00 <Paolo> when is it due again?
15:22:02 <GK> I'd like to review PROV-SEM, but cannot be sure I'll have time in the coming week
15:22:06 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
15:22:06 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
15:22:09 <christine> Paul: review due by next Thursday
15:22:24 <Paolo> would love to but on leave, sorry...
15:22:48 <Luc_> q+
15:22:48 <satya> I will try to complete
15:22:53 <christine> jcheney: goal to have something complete - anything controversial will have to be left out
15:23:10 <pgroth> ack Luc_
15:23:28 <christine> Luc: What change has been regarding this issue [?]
15:24:11 <christine> jcheney: to get semantics general enough to not constrain the formal constraints - less of the connection to the inituitve model but necessary
15:24:27 <christine> jcheney: takes a while to figure out the right way to do that
15:24:33 <pgroth> reviewers - Tom, Khalid, (tom's colleague), simon, satya,
15:24:41 <Luc_> +1 will attempt a quick review
15:24:53 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Primer
15:25:14 <christine> smiles: received some reviews - only outstanding is from Craig
15:25:34 <christine> smiles: don't see any blocking issues - will make the changes by next week - timeframe is okay
15:25:36 <pgroth> q?
15:25:42 <khalidBelhajjame> It read well, no comment really
15:26:01 <christine> Paul: agree, only a need for some minor changes
15:26:07 <christine> Paul: vote now
15:26:25 <pgroth> proposed: release prov-primer as a final note
15:26:28 <ivan> +1
15:26:31 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
15:26:32 <GK> +1
15:26:36 <jcheney> +1
15:26:37 <zednik> +1
15:26:38 <satya> +1
15:26:39 <TomDN> +1
15:26:40 <dgarijo> +1
15:26:41 <hook> +1
15:26:42 <stain> +1
15:26:55 <SamCoppens> +1
15:27:01 <Paolo> +1
15:27:12 <Luc_> +1
15:27:22 <pgroth> accepted: release prov-primer as a final note
15:27:30 <smiles> Great, thanks :)
15:27:37 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-DC
15:27:38 <christine> Paul: congrats Simon and Yolanda
15:28:01 <christine> - received a couple of reviews - no blocking issues
15:28:06 <stain> q+
15:28:09 <christine> - missing a review by Stain
15:28:27 <pgroth> ack stain
15:28:43 <christine> Stain: almost finished - some changes re mapping but should be able to be done in the week
15:28:53 <christine> Paul: given that, do not want to vote now
15:29:04 <christine> Paul: Tom's review was very long. What was the main issue?
15:29:49 <christine> - issue with how we declare the classes - specialising the ontology and also a lot of editorial issues with intro and also with naming spaces - no criticism of the mapppings - so i think no blocking issues
15:29:59 <christine> Paul: Stain, which mapping to change?
15:30:05 <christine> Stain: the is version
15:31:10 <christine> - analysed defns and realised they are equivalent - version and revisions {/}
15:31:57 <christine>  - not necessarily a directional element - don't want to go into the detail now
15:32:06 <christine> Paul: only one?
15:32:10 <christine>  - yes
15:32:15 <pgroth> q?
15:32:22 <christine> Paul: debate the issue online and delay the vote to next week
15:32:31 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
15:32:31 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
15:32:33 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Dictionary
15:33:08 <pgroth> q?
15:33:08 <Luc_> +1
15:33:17 <christine> Craig: review from Luc and Simon, thanks, no blocking issues, have enough time, give an update next week, do not forsee problems
15:33:18 <Luc_> +q
15:33:20 <TomDN> q+
15:33:27 <pgroth> ack Luc_
15:34:07 <christine> Luc: in my review, indicated I have implemented PROV-Dictionary, but it turns out it was not working - it took a while to find problem - extensibility production and the new productions conflict
15:34:37 <christine> Luc: problem will also occur in PROV-LINKS
15:34:47 <Luc_> q-
15:35:07 <christine> Luc: fix in both
15:35:11 <Luc_> q+
15:35:17 <pgroth> ack TomDN
15:35:21 <pgroth> ack Luc_
15:35:24 <christine> Craig: suggest holding off on voting until the document is in a more final state
15:35:38 <christine> Craig = Tom
15:35:38 <pgroth> s/Craig/TomDN
15:35:47 <pgroth> s/TomDN/Craig
15:35:54 <christine> Luc: agree useful to have time to discuss issues further
15:36:03 <pgroth> q?
15:36:16 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Links
15:36:19 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
15:36:19 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
15:36:44 <zednik> I have to leave now
15:36:56 <christine> Luc: 4 reviews received - thank you - have not had time to read them in detail - but you seem to be happy with the document - some small changes
15:37:00 <smiles> No blocking issues from me
15:37:04 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
15:37:06 <pgroth> q?
15:37:06 <TomDN> none from me either
15:37:08 <GK> No blockers that I recall
15:37:12 <khalidBelhajjame> No bloking issues from me either
15:37:21 <pgroth> Topic: PROV Implementations
15:38:20 <christine> Paul: held it open a little longer - nothing to change in the text - just to rerun scripts to update the tables (essentially) - no need to review
15:38:22 <ivan> +1
15:38:28 <Luc_> +1
15:38:45 <christine> Paul: one or two people who said they want to register another implementation
15:38:59 <pgroth> q?
15:38:59 <christine> Paul: there is still time
15:39:28 <pgroth> Topic: Provenance of Docs
15:39:35 <Luc_> +q
15:39:36 <christine> Paul: status?
15:39:48 <Luc_> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e1fa26593295/provenance/test/prov-family.svg
15:39:57 <Luc_> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e1fa26593295/provenance/test/prov-family.ttl
15:40:01 <Luc_> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e1fa26593295/provenance/test/prov-family.provn
15:40:26 <christine> Luc: tried to recreate the history of all our documents assuming the specs were out
15:40:43 <ivan> wow
15:40:57 <GK> Third link returns "error: provenance/test/prov-family.provn@e1fa26593295: not found in manifest" for me
15:41:25 <christine> Luc: covering all versions of the reports we publish - will ask all editors to check when finalised - also should add authorship - do we have URIs for everybody?
15:41:56 <christine> Paul: Ivan, can we use URLs for the name in the tracker to represent people?
15:42:11 <Paolo> @Luc: provn version, I get: error: provenance/test/prov-family.provn@e1fa26593295: not found in manifest
15:42:26 <GK> How many of us have ORCID IDs?
15:42:31 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/
15:42:34 <christine> Ivan: hmm, it can be used ... but ... often people put a page about themselves on the wiki ... can you give me an example URL to look at in tracker?
15:42:54 <christine> Ivan: not ideal
15:43:08 <TallTed> WebID!  :-)
15:43:09 <stain> you would have hoped for W3C to provide an ontology or dataset of every member!
15:43:13 <christine> Paul: wiki user pages?
15:43:19 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Ctrim
15:43:19 <Luc_> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Lmoreau
15:43:20 <christine> Ivan: not sure those are public
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15:43:38 <christine> Ivan: what I was suggesting - if they are all complete that is fine
15:43:48 <christine> Ivan: they will be frozen
15:43:53 <stain> in foaf they might or might not be seen to represent accounts rather than people..
15:44:09 <pgroth> q?
15:44:14 <pgroth> ack Luc_
15:44:14 <christine> Paul: use wiki ones - so if you want your proper info recorded update your wiki page
15:44:19 <christine> Luc: fine with that
15:44:44 <stain> it might be easiest to identify people like [ a prov:Person, foaf:homepage <http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Lmorea> ]
15:45:09 <stain> - foaf:homepage is inverse functional, thus identifying (but not being) the person
15:45:19 <christine> [?] useful to add the link from the RDF files ...
15:45:20 <pgroth> q+
15:45:31 <pgroth> s/SVG/RDF
15:45:42 <pgroth> s/SVG/RDF/
15:45:44 <christine> Paul: can we do content negotation on SVG?
15:46:02 <christine> Ivan: not exactly - not a serialisation
15:46:06 <Luc_> q+
15:46:12 <pgroth> ack pgroth
15:46:17 <pgroth> ack Luc_
15:46:44 <christine> Luc: when the file is more or less finalised - post a blog explaining provenance - could put the SVG file there
15:47:02 <pgroth> q?
15:47:04 <stain> you COULD define a prov-diagram that is a formal language that says how to describe prov-dm as a diagram - and then the SVG could still be a representation of the provenance
15:47:09 <TallTed> possibly better pages than wiki -- e.g., https://www.w3.org/users/42501
15:47:11 <christine> Ivan: could point to as wekk
15:47:24 <pgroth> q?
15:47:30 <stain> TallTed: except they are seeecret :(
15:47:37 <pgroth> secret
15:47:39 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
15:47:39 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
15:47:53 <smiles> q+
15:47:56 <TomDN> I get Sorry, Insufficient Access Privileges
15:47:59 <GK> No, browser is asking for login
15:48:08 <pgroth> ack smiles
15:48:24 <Luc_> up to editors
15:48:29 <christine> smiles: re provenance for primer - what is the preference?
15:48:40 <christine> Luc: editors can decide to use the same provenance, don't have to
15:49:06 <ivan> q+
15:49:12 <pgroth> ack ivan
15:49:16 <christine> Paul: thanks everyone, good work, keep it up
15:49:18 <dgarijo> @smiles: we did already a file for prov-o. You can base yours in that one, if you want
15:49:55 <christine> Ivan: votes ends on Tuesday - well send an official transition request to publish - expect to get green light by email - try to take care of this next week
15:50:14 <dgarijo> bbye
15:50:17 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
15:50:18 <Luc_> bye
15:50:18 <Zakim> -christine
15:50:19 <Zakim> -pgroth
15:50:19 <GK> Bye
15:50:20 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aabb
15:50:21 <Zakim> -ivan
15:50:21 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:50:23 <Zakim> -Luc_
15:50:24 <stain> bye
15:50:24 <Zakim> -dgarijo
15:50:26 <Zakim> -smiles
15:50:27 <SamCoppens> Bye!
15:50:28 <Zakim> -TallTed
15:50:29 <Zakim> -TomDN
15:50:29 <Zakim> -stain
15:50:33 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
15:50:34 <Zakim> -jcheney
15:50:36 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame
15:50:36 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:50:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-prov-minutes.html pgroth
15:50:39 <Zakim> -GK
15:50:39 <pgroth> rackbot, end telcon
15:50:40 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended
15:50:40 <Zakim> Attendees were pgroth, [IPcaller], christine, GK, dgarijo, smiles, stain, Luc_, khalidBelhajjame, Satya_Sahoo, +1.818.731.aabb, ivan, TallTed, TomDN, SamCoppens, jcheney
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15:50:43 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:50:43 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:50:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:50:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-prov-minutes.html trackbot
15:50:52 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:50:52 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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