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15:42:19 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #prov 15:42:19 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-prov-irc 15:42:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 15:42:21 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #prov 15:42:22 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV 15:42:22 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes 15:42:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV 15:42:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference 15:42:24 <trackbot> Date: 21 February 2013 15:42:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes 15:42:28 <Luc> Agenda: 15:42:39 <Luc> Agenda:http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.21 15:42:49 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau 15:42:56 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public 15:43:01 <Luc> zakim, who is here? 15:43:01 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc 15:43:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot 15:43:09 <Luc> topic: Admin <Luc> Summary: Minutes of the previous teleconference were approved. 15:49:06 <pgroth> pgroth has joined #prov 15:53:28 <smiles> smiles has joined #prov 15:53:39 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started 15:53:48 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa 15:53:53 <Zakim> +??P38 15:53:59 <smiles> zakim, ??P38 is smiles 15:53:59 <Zakim> +smiles; got it 15:54:00 <Luc> zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me 15:54:00 <Zakim> +Luc; got it 15:56:57 <Paolo> Paolo has joined #prov 15:57:58 <GK-alt> GK-alt has joined #prov 15:58:36 <Curt> Curt has joined #prov 15:58:54 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes 15:59:14 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ - current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.21 15:59:22 <tlebo> tlebo has joined #prov 15:59:24 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software 15:59:32 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 15:59:32 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it 15:59:34 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me 15:59:34 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted 15:59:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 16:00:12 <GK> GK has joined #prov 16:00:15 <Zakim> + +1.315.330.aabb 16:00:20 <tlebo> zakim, I am aabb 16:00:20 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it 16:00:25 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here? 16:00:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, smiles, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed (muted), [IPcaller], tlebo 16:00:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK, tlebo, Curt, GK-alt, Paolo, smiles, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot 16:00:51 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:00:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-prov-minutes.html TallTed 16:00:56 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public 16:01:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a] 16:01:28 <zednik> zednik has joined #prov 16:01:29 <khalidBelhajjame> khalidBelhajjame has joined #prov 16:01:32 <TallTed> (setting permissions has no effect until there is a file to set the permissions on. this is a bug in trackbot.) 16:01:39 <ivan> zakim, code? 16:01:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan 16:01:42 <smiles> yes 16:01:46 <Luc> simon? 16:01:54 <Zakim> +??P26 16:02:04 <GK> zakim, ??p26 is me 16:02:04 <Zakim> +GK; got it 16:02:06 <Zakim> +ivan 16:02:06 <Luc> scribe: smiles 16:02:23 <hook> hook has joined #prov 16:02:27 <Zakim> +??P41 16:02:28 <TomDN> TomDN has joined #prov 16:02:32 <Zakim> +Ruben 16:02:33 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-02-07 16:02:39 <Luc> PROPOSED: to approve the minutes of Feb 07, 2013 16:02:40 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ?? P41 is me 16:02:40 <Zakim> I don't understand '?? P41 is me', khalidBelhajjame 16:02:44 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aacc 16:02:45 <TomDN> Zakim, +Ruben is me 16:02:46 <Zakim> sorry, TomDN, I do not recognize a party named '+Ruben' 16:02:47 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ??P41 is me 16:02:47 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it 16:02:52 <TomDN> Zakim, Ruben is me 16:02:52 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it 16:02:55 <TomDN> +1 16:02:56 <Curt> +1 16:02:57 <smiles> 0 (absent) 16:02:57 <zednik> +1 16:02:58 <TallTed> +1 16:03:00 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 16:03:00 <hook> +1 16:03:03 <Paolo> 0 (missed) 16:03:03 <GK> 0 (absent) 16:03:07 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a] 16:03:16 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me 16:03:16 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted 16:03:16 <tlebo> +1 16:03:21 <jcheney> jcheney has joined #prov 16:03:28 <Luc> RESOLVED: the minutes of Feb 07, 2013 are approved 16:03:51 <smiles> Luc: Action on Luc, not done yet 16:03:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a] 16:03:58 <smiles> ... Action on Paul, completed 16:04:11 <Luc> Topic: WG Implementations <luc>Summary: Luc congratulated Paul, Dong, and Stephan for the high quality of the implementation report. There was no further comment or feedback on the report. The group endorsed its publication as a w3c note. 16:04:22 <satya> satya has joined #prov 16:04:24 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo 16:04:38 <Luc> q? 16:04:39 <smiles> Luc: Paul, Stephan and Dong produced a very good implementation report. Any feedback? 16:04:43 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html 16:04:50 <jcheney> having trouble getting through on phone... 16:05:00 <dgarijo> dgarijo has joined #prov 16:05:22 <smiles> Luc: If no feedback, will move to resolution to publish this report as a note 16:05:23 <Luc> PROPOSED: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations) 16:05:26 <ivan> +1 16:05:29 <smiles> +1 16:05:29 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 16:05:30 <tlebo> +1 16:05:34 <satya> +1 16:05:35 <Curt> +1 16:05:36 <Paolo> +1 16:05:37 <jcheney> +1 16:05:37 <TallTed> +1 16:05:37 <zednik> +1 16:05:40 <hook> +1 16:05:41 <TomDN> +1 16:05:42 <Zakim> +??P18 16:05:45 <dgarijo> +1 16:05:48 <GK> +0 (not reviewed) 16:05:50 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P18 is me 16:05:50 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it 16:05:59 <Luc> Resolved: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations) 16:06:32 <smiles> Luc: Yes, will have to ask for a short name when we make publication request, which will go ahead with now 16:06:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa] 16:06:37 <Luc> q? 16:06:41 <pgroth> Q+ 16:06:44 <smiles> ... Anything else regarding imp report? 16:06:53 <jcheney> zakim, aa is me 16:06:53 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa' 16:07:03 <jcheney> zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is me 16:07:03 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]' 16:07:11 <jcheney> zakim, IPcaller.aa is me 16:07:11 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it 16:07:15 <smiles> pgroth: We will first publish as a Working Draft with PR documents; then publish as Note at end of WG 16:07:19 <SamCoppens> SamCoppens has joined #prov 16:07:23 <pgroth> ack pgroth 16:07:35 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN 16:07:35 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it 16:07:47 <pgroth> btw, we have 64 implementations 16:07:50 <pgroth> reported 16:07:55 <smiles> Luc: Ivan, in the staged documents, which URL should we use for implementation report (dated)? 16:08:03 <smiles> ivan: Yes, dated URL 16:08:09 <Luc> q? 16:08:42 <smiles> ivan: In the draft as of now, be clear that this is version used for transition to PR 16:09:03 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/releases/PR-prov-dm-20130312/Overview.html 16:09:56 <smiles> ivan: In the Imp Report document itself, make clear this is version used for transition request 16:10:00 <Luc> q? 16:10:09 <pgroth> :-( 16:10:16 <smiles> pgroth: Will make this edit 16:10:20 <Luc> topic: Transition to Proposed Recommendation <luc>Summary: The editors of the four rec-track document indicated that changes had been implemented, and the documents would be staged by the end of the day. It was decided to submit these documents as proposed recommendation. Congratulations to the whole group for reaching this stage. The group is now well on track to deliver four recommendations. For the benefit of the group, Ivan outlined the next steps in the W3C process. 16:10:43 <smiles> Luc: First, update on 4 proposed PR documents 16:11:14 <smiles> Luc: PROV-N and PROV-DM are staged, checked, no further feedback from WG, need to update URL for Implementation Report (as above) 16:11:30 <smiles> ... With James, have also checked PROV-Constraints 16:11:52 <smiles> jcheney: Constraints document is checked and ready to go 16:12:38 <smiles> tlebo: Had response to Robin on respec version problems, need to export as HTML not XHTML which might affect RDFa encoding 16:12:58 <smiles> ... Once we're through that, ready for changing URL links and staging 16:13:20 <smiles> Luc: Sent links this morning regarding exporting HTML5 with RDFa 16:13:47 <Luc> lpq 16:13:52 <Luc> q? 16:13:58 <pgroth> sure 16:14:22 <smiles> ivan: Once the PR is published, cannot make changes going to Recomendation (including RDFa) 16:14:51 <Luc> PROPOSED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations 16:15:12 <ivan> +1 (W3C) 16:15:14 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 (University of Manchester) 16:15:17 <Curt> +1 (NASA) 16:15:17 <smiles> +1 (King's College London / Invited Expert) 16:15:19 <Luc> +1 (Southampton) 16:15:21 <TallTed> +1 (OpenLink Software) 16:15:22 <pgroth> +1 (VU University Amsterdam) 16:15:24 <TomDN> +1 (iMinds) 16:15:25 <SamCoppens> +1 (iMinds) 16:15:28 <hook> +1 (JPL/Caltech) 16:15:30 <zednik> +1 (RPI) 16:15:32 <dgarijo> +1 (Universidad Politécnica de Madrid) 16:15:33 <Paolo> +1 (newcastle University) 16:15:35 <satya> +1 (Invited Exper, Case Western Reserve University) 16:15:36 <jcheney> +1 (University of Edinburgh) 16:15:51 <tlebo> +1 (RPI) 16:15:57 <GK> +1 16:16:04 <GK> ^(Oxford) 16:16:18 <Luc> RESOLVED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations 16:16:42 <smiles> Luc: Congratulations. The documents will be submitted as PR 16:17:00 <smiles> ivan: Need to submit call to chairs list, as with CR 16:17:54 <smiles> ... Then wait 5 business days, have a transition call (Doodle prepared) on week after that, convince director to go to PR 16:18:15 <smiles> ... People will set up WBS forms for voting 16:18:43 <smiles> ... Members of this group should lobby their organisation to vote 16:19:22 <smiles> ... Theoretical need for another transition call, but only needed if revision required (a vote against) 16:19:34 <smiles> ... (before Recommendation status) 16:20:04 <smiles> ... Only change allowed is to Status section (though spelling errors can be fixed) 16:20:38 <smiles> Luc: Ivan has reviewed the draft transition request, needs references to PROV-O. Ready to go? 16:20:43 <smiles> ivan: Yes, as far as I know 16:21:18 <smiles> ... should go out tomorrow for sufficient gap before call 16:21:30 <smiles> Luc: What about MIME type application? 16:21:51 <smiles> ivan: will investigate 16:21:56 <Luc> q? 16:21:57 <pgroth> q+ 16:22:20 <smiles> pgroth: Any connection between length of WG and release of the Recommendations? 16:22:24 <Luc> ack pgr 16:22:32 <smiles> ivan: Release should be before end of WG 16:22:57 <Luc> q? 16:23:00 <smiles> ... Once all documents published, WG may declare finished work and could close early 16:23:11 <smiles> Luc: Anything else on this topic? 16:23:20 <Luc> topic: Notes <Luc>Summary: Luc summarized the timetable for publications. Agreed publication date is March 12. Webmaster requested documents to be staged and ready by March 5. The group needs to review documents this week and vote for their release next week. We then organized reviews for various notes: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim will review prov-xml, by February 28. Paul, Simon,, Tom, Stephan, Luc will review prov-dc by February 28. Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid will review prov-sem by February 28: it is understood that this will be a fpwd, and outstanding issues will marked as such in the document. For prov-aq, it was agreed that editors have to focus on issues blocking the release, and changes will be checked by reviewers, before vote by email. For the other notes, editors are to address outstanding issues on the tracker and seek to reach consensus with those who raise issues by email. Vote for releasing the documents will take place on Feb 28th. 16:23:36 <smiles> ivan: Congratulations to Luc, Paul :) 16:23:44 <tlebo> +1 16:23:47 <dgarijo> :) 16:23:51 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2013Feb/0098.html 16:24:16 <smiles> Luc: See timetable above 16:24:43 <smiles> ... Want to publish all our documents on 12 March, so need to be ready a week before 16:25:11 <smiles> ... So, at latest, need vote at next telecon for all remaining documents 16:25:39 <smiles> ... Would like to look now at each note to see what is required to get there 16:26:02 <smiles> Luc: Start with PROV-XML; Stephan shared with WG, but reviewers not assigned 16:26:20 <smiles> zednik: Stian given some feedback, and modifications made, but nothing further 16:26:54 <Luc> q? 16:27:11 <smiles> pgroth: Have we had approval for PROV-XML to go to WD? 16:27:14 <smiles> Luc: No not yet 16:27:20 <ivan> q+ 16:27:20 <Luc> q? 16:27:25 <smiles> Luc: Will review PROV-XML before next Thursday 16:27:40 <smiles> Luc: Other reviewers? 16:27:42 <tlebo> I can try... 16:28:09 <smiles> Reviewers of PROV-XML: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim 16:28:27 <pgroth> q+ 16:28:31 <smiles> zednik: Regarding embedding RDFa, are all notes trying to do this? 16:28:35 <smiles> Luc: Discuss later 16:28:38 <pgroth> ack pgroth 16:28:42 <Luc> q? 16:29:02 <pgroth> yes 16:29:06 <smiles> ivan: For PROV-XML, is there an XSD to publish? 16:29:10 <Luc> ack ivan 16:29:13 <smiles> zednik: Multiple XSD documents 16:29:22 <pgroth> q+ 16:29:25 <smiles> ivan: Added to /ns or elsewhere? 16:29:42 <smiles> zednik: Yes, under /ns 16:29:55 <pgroth> ack pgroth 16:30:03 <smiles> ivan: Prior to publication, need to give me all those files 16:30:21 <Luc> q? 16:30:38 <smiles> Luc: Vote next Thursday on WD 16:31:00 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers 16:31:12 <smiles> dgarijo: PROV-DC ready for review (and has RDFa embedded) and detailed responses to previous reviews on Wiki 16:31:22 <Luc> q? 16:31:32 <pgroth> +1 16:31:33 <smiles> Luc: Reviewers for PROV-DC? 16:31:42 <TomDN> I will 16:31:53 <smiles> Yes 16:31:56 <dgarijo> +q 16:31:58 <zednik> I can 16:32:29 <smiles> Reviewers for PROV-DC: Paul, Simon (check prior review addressed), Tom, Stephan, Luc (check prior review addressed) 16:32:54 <smiles> Luc: Feedback on PROV-DC, whether to proceed as WD ahead of next telecon 16:32:58 <Luc> q? 16:33:27 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dc-directmappings.ttl 16:33:35 <smiles> dgarijo: There are two referenced files external to note, not currently in Mercurial 16:33:46 <smiles> ivan: Send them to me 16:33:53 <Luc> q? 16:34:01 <Luc> ack dga 16:34:05 <pgroth> ivan owl:sameAs hg 16:34:22 <smiles> Luc; Same timetable for PROV-SEM? 16:34:37 <tlebo> ivan prov: actedOnBehalfOf hg . 16:34:51 <tlebo> hg is responsible for Ivan :-) 16:35:11 <pgroth> q+ 16:35:14 <smiles> jcheney: Achievable to produce FPWD if people willing to spend time checking quality 16:35:36 <GK> (I would like to review -SEM, but I'm lacking time due to PROV-AQ commitments) 16:35:43 <ivan> +1 to Paul 16:35:44 <smiles> pgroth: For PROV-SEM, only FPWD, so don't need to be too picky 16:35:53 <Luc> ack pg 16:36:32 <pgroth> @jcheney that's fine 16:36:47 <smiles> jcheney: Will have to-dos and sections to complete etc. 16:36:55 <smiles> Luc: That's fine 16:36:57 <Luc> q? 16:37:15 <satya> I can review SEM 16:37:23 <smiles> jcheney: Will prepare version to review for Monday 16:37:26 <smiles> I would like to review it 16:37:36 <Paolo> ok that's fine 16:37:38 <khalidBelhajjame> I will review Prov-Sem 16:37:56 <smiles> Reviewers for PROV-SEM: Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid 16:38:05 <pgroth> q+ 16:38:08 <Luc> q? 16:38:15 <pgroth> ack pgroth 16:38:15 <smiles> pgroth: Reviewers, be nice :) 16:38:16 <Luc> ack pg 16:38:26 <dgarijo> +1 16:39:33 <smiles> GK: For PROV-AQ, am somewhat behind; good number of robust reviews since last draft, not all addressed yet 16:40:05 <smiles> ... Some are suggesting useful changes to the technical content, particularly for REST API and Pingback 16:40:20 <smiles> ... Others suggest significant editorial changes 16:40:52 <smiles> ... Another day or so solid work to get through notes 16:41:01 <Luc> q? 16:41:05 <pgroth> q+ 16:41:13 <smiles> ... Hope to complete by next week's telecon, but too late? 16:41:51 <smiles> pgroth: Already done big round of reviews, and everyone except Stian happy to release as WD 16:42:26 <smiles> ... So suggest everyone who submitted review do a quick check of whether OK to go as WD, not any more comprehensive reviews 16:42:33 <Luc> q? 16:42:35 <ivan> +1 to Paul 16:42:38 <Luc> ack pg 16:42:39 <smiles> GK: Makes sense to me 16:43:26 <smiles> Luc: To smooth process, Stian had blocking issues, so could start conversation with him to see whether those issues addressed in parallel 16:43:43 <smiles> GK: OK, will do so after making revision from Stian's comments 16:44:13 <pgroth> thanks GK 16:44:14 <smiles> Luc: Conclusion, new version of PROV-AQ by next telecon; previous reviewers confirm by email that OK to go as WD 16:44:27 <TomDN> yes we have 16:44:37 <smiles> Luc: Already voted for FPWD of PROV-Dictionary 16:44:37 <TomDN> not staged 16:44:42 <TomDN> zakim, unmute me 16:44:42 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted 16:44:46 <smiles> Tom: Not yet staged 16:44:56 <pgroth> q+ 16:44:58 <dgarijo> +q 16:45:03 <smiles> q+ 16:45:22 <pgroth> ack pgroth 16:45:33 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me 16:45:33 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted 16:45:43 <Luc> ack pg 16:45:52 <smiles> Luc: Resolution for each of other notes (primer, links) at next telecon 16:46:01 <smiles> dgarijo: When to stage? 16:46:13 <Luc> q? 16:46:15 <smiles> Luc: After next telecon, by 5 March 16:46:16 <Luc> ack dg 16:47:42 <smiles> smiles: Another review of primer needed? 16:47:56 <Luc> ack sm 16:47:59 <smiles> Luc: No, changes were to address specific issues raised 16:48:17 <Luc> q? 16:48:21 <smiles> ivan: Note that in PR phase, WG will have nothing else to do (but notes) 16:48:29 <Luc> topic: embedding prov metadata in the specs <Luc> Summary: The group is keen to associate prov metadata with the documents. Given that the Rec-track document had to be finalized by tomorrow, and they can't be changed afterwards, embedding rdfa is practically not possible. Instead the group opted to use the link hasProvenance, as prescribed by the paq, to some url in the prov web space. The url scheme was agreed at the teleconference. This mechanism allows the provenance to be edited till the end of the WG lifetime. 16:48:57 <smiles> Luc: With four PR documents, cannot touch any more after tomorrow 16:49:25 <smiles> ... The PROV metadata we embed is not normative, and can link from HTML documents using PROV-AQ 16:49:44 <ivan> q+ 16:49:49 <smiles> ... Cannot add substantial RDFa to PROV-DM, N, Constraints by tomorrow 16:50:11 <Luc> q? 16:50:15 <pgroth> q+ 16:50:17 <Luc> ack ivan 16:50:23 <smiles> ivan: Is the idea that the Recommendations themselves only include link to an RDF file somewhere, using RDFa? 16:50:35 <smiles> Luc: Not even RDFa, HTML link as in PROV-AQ 16:50:42 <GK> (PROV-AQ doesn't specify use of RDFa) 16:51:13 <tlebo> linking to an RDF file from each spec doc fits with our /ns strategy for prov.owl etc. 16:51:15 <dgarijo> @GK: and the "hasProvenance" pointing to a .ttl file with the rdf statements? 16:51:21 <Curt> Keep in mind that this is a pathfinder and we are implicitly recommending that all future W3C documents follow the model of whatever we do now.. 16:51:24 <smiles> ivan: Shouldn't be a problem; so the provenance file itself can be in any serialisation; should not have a URI in the /PR space 16:51:49 <Luc> q? 16:52:00 <smiles> ... Put as Turtle file somewhere in provenance space, finalise when go to Recommendation 16:52:01 <Luc> ack pg 16:52:21 <smiles> pgroth: Agree with Ivan's outline 16:53:01 <smiles> ... Also want to have a nice HTML page for our namespace, and that page could have RDFa embedded provenance 16:53:02 <Luc> q? 16:53:03 <tlebo> q+ to say each spec's "one link" to an RDF file in "[something like] /ns" makes sense, and fits what we currently do with our OWL files in /ns 16:53:37 <smiles> ivan: The latter HTML file can be published after Recommendation 16:53:42 <Luc> q? 16:54:09 <smiles> tlebo: Also support what is currently being discussed 16:54:13 <GK> If we use: 16:54:18 <tlebo> q- 16:54:24 <GK> (oops… ) 16:54:26 <tlebo> one for each makes sense. 16:54:36 <tlebo> the "single file for all" is the /ns's index page. 16:54:37 <smiles> Luc: Are we going for 1 provenance file for each spec, or one for all? 16:54:41 <tlebo> @luc both 16:54:49 <tlebo> both :-) 16:54:51 <pgroth> q+ 16:55:11 <dgarijo> then we are going to drop the rdf-a annotation embedded in the specs? 16:55:23 <Luc> ack pg 16:55:23 <smiles> GK: One provenance file could include information about multiple dated releases 16:55:38 <dgarijo> @pgroth: +1 16:56:03 <smiles> pgroth: Suggest each specification link to its own provenance file, and then when produce /ns HTML page, that can point to all these files 16:56:05 <tlebo> @dgarijo you could RDFa-ize the prov:hasProvenance link to the "one provenance file" analogous to the html link link. 16:56:15 <Luc> q? 16:56:20 <hook> hook has joined #prov 16:56:29 <pgroth> yes 16:56:38 <tlebo> +1 pgroth to reference/union the "each prov file per spec" into the /ns index page. 16:56:39 <dgarijo> @tim: I have already embedded rdf-a in the note. Would I have to drop it then? :( 16:56:41 <smiles> Luc: If we are to freeze Recommendations by tomorrow, need to freeze that URL now? 16:56:44 <smiles> ivan: Yes 16:56:57 <Luc> q? 16:57:03 <tlebo> @dgarijo you can leave it, there'd just be different provenance of the provenance :-) 16:57:03 <smiles> Luc: What is the provenance W3C space? 16:57:19 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ as stem of URI? 16:57:21 <dgarijo> @tlebo: :) 16:58:03 <tlebo> +1 to determining the targetURIs of our provenance files. 16:58:16 <Luc> so, would it be http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl as the file for prov-dm? 16:58:35 <tlebo> q+ to verify that we must finalize the targetURIs by the end of the WG, right? 16:58:40 <GK> curl -i -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ 16:58:47 <tlebo> (finalize the CONTENTS of the targetURIs) 16:58:49 <Luc> q? 16:59:29 <pgroth> not target uris 16:59:40 <smiles> tlebo: For each note and spec, we will include one link to a file, finalised contents of these by Recommendations? 16:59:54 <pgroth> q+ 17:00:01 <smiles> ivan: Yes 17:00:02 <Luc> ack pg 17:00:04 <tlebo> q- 17:00:05 <Luc> ack tl 17:00:06 <GK> @ivan no redirect for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance 17:00:13 <Luc> q? 17:00:17 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/test.txt 17:00:26 <pgroth> yes 17:00:30 <smiles> ivan: Can you see the file above? 17:00:34 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a] 17:00:35 <smiles> Luc: yes 17:00:56 <Luc> q? 17:01:10 <Luc> can you redirect for now to mercurial? 17:01:12 <pgroth> no 17:01:15 <smiles> ivan: So we can put files in that directory 17:01:20 <pgroth> but we can manage this later 17:01:44 <smiles> ivan: For the moment, I will have to push these files onto the website 17:02:09 <GK> Can we set up an .htaccess redirect to mercurial? 17:02:23 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes 17:02:25 <smiles> Luc: Ivan, can you put links to Mercurial in that directory, so we can edit the files? 17:02:31 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aacc 17:02:52 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl 17:02:55 <tlebo> +1 to building the prov-dm.prov in hg, redirect until publishing FR, and copy into CVS when we publish FR. 17:03:17 <smiles> Luc: Will URL for PROV-DM provenance file be that above? 17:03:27 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl ?? 17:03:31 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm (no extension) with conneg to the serialization 17:03:52 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm 17:03:54 <pgroth> q+ 17:03:55 <dgarijo> prov-dm-prov? :D 17:04:17 <TomDN> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm 17:04:26 <GK> +1 drop .ttl 17:04:37 <tlebo> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm 17:04:40 <smiles> pgroth: Agree with Tim that drop file extension and have content negotiation and add /provenance/ subdirectory 17:04:49 <dgarijo> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm 17:05:01 <smiles> Luc: Works well, can point to Mercurial directory /provenance 17:05:34 <Luc> q? 17:05:39 <Luc> ack pg 17:05:40 <pgroth> ack pgroth 17:05:41 <tlebo> can we put the provenance files in the exsisting 'ontology', 'model" directory? 17:05:48 <Luc> Topic: prov-aq <luc>Summary: it was now time to conclude the teleconference. The PAQ editors accordingly to plan in "Notes" agenda item. 17:06:19 <GK> FWIW, I'm happy to 17:06:41 <Luc> q? 17:06:41 <GK> … to push ahead with edits then discuss when available. 17:06:47 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo 17:06:49 <Luc> q? 17:06:57 <smiles> pgroth: Discussions we need to have on PROV-AQ are elaborate, and given earlier agreement, so delay to next week 17:07:19 <smiles> Luc: Next week, vote on release all documents (except PROV-AQ by email) 17:07:20 <TomDN> bye! 17:07:20 <khalidBelhajjame> bye 17:07:21 <Zakim> -tlebo 17:07:22 <dgarijo> bbye 17:07:23 <GK> Bye 17:07:24 <SamCoppens> Bye! 17:07:25 <smiles> OK, thanks 17:07:26 <Zakim> -TomDN 17:07:26 <Luc> q? 17:07:27 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame 17:07:27 <Zakim> -ivan 17:07:28 <Zakim> -[IPcaller] 17:07:28 <Zakim> -TallTed 17:07:29 <Zakim> -dgarijo 17:07:29 <Zakim> -jcheney 17:07:31 <SamCoppens> SamCoppens has left #prov 17:07:32 <Zakim> -smiles 17:07:35 <Zakim> -Luc 17:07:49 <Zakim> -GK 17:07:50 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended 17:07:50 <Zakim> Attendees were smiles, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed, [IPcaller], +1.315.330.aabb, tlebo, GK, ivan, +1.818.731.aacc, khalidBelhajjame, TomDN, Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo, jcheney, SamCoppens 17:08:22 <GK> GK has left #prov # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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