Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 28 June 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.28
Seen
Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, James Cheney, Jun Zhao, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Ted Thibodeau, Timothy Lebo, Tom De Nies
Regrets
Timothy Lebo, Paolo Missier, Simon Miles, Curt Tilmes, Stephan Zednik, Tom De Nies, Graham Klyne
Chair
Paul Groth
Scribe
Daniel Garijo
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
  1. Admin

    F2F3 minutes will be out next week. The action items were gone through.

  2. F2F3

    A brief summary of the decisions taken at F2F3 was given.

  3. Reminders

    The group was reminded to provide any feature requests on the PAQ by the end of next week. The group was reminded about two new wiki pages for implementations of PROV and outreach information. The group was asked to contribute to them. In addition, the group was asked to mark ISWC 2012 as the time period for the next F2F meeting.

  4. Updates

    An update on the dublin core mappings was given. The goal is to address all comments by next week and produce a Note version of the July 12. In addition, Luc gave an overview of how the technical issues remaining on PROV-DM were addressed by the editors according to the resolutions of F2F3.

  5. Contextualization

    Luc presented the renaming of contextualization to mention as asked for by the resolution from the F2F. The term remains marked as a feature at risk as per the resolution. The chairs will look into whether there should be a rational given for marking the feature at risk. James and Satya indicated that they were ok with this renaming and marking as a feature at risk

  6. Reviewers

    The group was asked to volunteer for reviewing prov-dm and the prov-o ontology for last call. The reviews would be done by next Friday July 6, 2012 for a vote on Last Call July 12, 2012. The review for prov-o would be for the final ontology as the narrative is still being worked on. For prov-dm, Khalid, Daniel and James agreed to review. For prov-o, Luc and Paul agreed to review. Also, reminders were given for other outstanding reviews on the prov-primer and prov-n. The chairs expressed strong concern that there were not enough reviewers given that prov-dm and prov-o are Last Call documents. They will email the group reminding them of the importance of Last Call and reviewing.

14:54:47 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-prov-irc

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14:54:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

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14:54:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

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14:54:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:54:52 <trackbot> Date: 28 June 2012
14:55:01 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:55:02 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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14:58:21 <pgroth> trackbot, start telcon

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14:58:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:58:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

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14:58:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

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14:58:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:58:27 <trackbot> Date: 28 June 2012
14:58:29 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV

Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:58:29 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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14:58:34 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

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14:58:41 <Zakim> +Mike_Wald

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14:58:42 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.28
14:58:56 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:59:02 <pgroth> Scribe: Daniel Garijo

(Scribe set to Daniel Garijo)

14:59:27 <Luc> zakim, Mike_Wald is me

Luc Moreau: zakim, Mike_Wald is me

14:59:27 <Zakim> +Luc; got it

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14:59:41 <Zakim> +??P9

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14:59:41 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

14:59:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, ??P9

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14:59:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see khalidBelhajjame, pgroth, CraigTrim, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed, ivan, sandro, trackbot, stain

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14:59:49 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P9 is me

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14:59:50 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

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15:00:27 <Zakim> +??P24

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15:00:29 <pgroth> Regrets: Timothy Lebo, Paolo Missier, Simon Miles, Curt Tilmes, Stephan Zednik, Tom De Nies, Graham Klyne
15:00:32 <jun> zakim, ??P24 is me

Jun Zhao: zakim, ??P24 is me

15:00:39 <Zakim> +jun; got it

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15:00:41 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public

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15:00:45 <Zakim> +??P30

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15:00:47 <Zakim> +??P28

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15:00:54 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ??P30 is me

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15:01:03 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P24 is me

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15:01:12 <Zakim> I already had ??P24 as jun, dgarijo

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15:01:31 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

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15:01:31 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P28 is me

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15:01:33 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

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15:01:38 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

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15:01:46 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

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15:03:33 <Zakim> +??P41

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15:04:03 <Zakim> +??P44

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15:05:28 <pgroth> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: F2F3 minutes will be out next week. The action items were gone through.

<pgroth> Summary: F2F3 minutes will be out next week. The action items were gone through.
15:05:33 <dgarijo> yes

yes

15:06:20 <dgarijo> Luc: I wanted to get DM out of the way this weekend, but let's discuss that online

Luc Moreau: I wanted to get DM out of the way this weekend, but let's discuss that online

15:06:25 <dgarijo> pgroth: actions

Paul Groth: actions

15:06:57 <dgarijo> ... resolution around collections (Done) Ivan took a look around rdf datatypes . Paul still has to do his action.

... resolution around collections (Done) Ivan took a look around rdf datatypes . Paul still has to do his action.

15:07:08 <dgarijo> ... Daniel has talked about a note about dc

... Daniel has talked about a note about dc

15:07:12 <dgarijo> ... myme types

... myme types

15:07:21 <dgarijo> ... reviews for paolo

... reviews for paolo

15:07:25 <dgarijo> ... (to be done)

... (to be done)

15:07:37 <dgarijo> ... started exit criteria. Will give an update

... started exit criteria. Will give an update

15:07:54 <dgarijo> ... notion of compliance with w3c. This needs to be smmarized.

... notion of compliance with w3c. This needs to be smmarized.

15:08:30 <dgarijo> ... still haven't made the ***? available on the prov page

... still haven't made the ***? available on the prov page

15:08:57 <dgarijo> ... I will marked as done the issues that have been done after the call

... I will marked as done the issues that have been done after the call

15:08:59 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:09:19 <dgarijo> s /marked/mark

s /marked/mark

15:09:25 <pgroth> Topic: F2F3

2. F2F3

Summary: A brief summary of the decisions taken at F2F3 was given.

<pgroth> Summary: A brief summary of the decisions taken at F2F3 was given.
15:09:57 <dgarijo> pgroth: recap on the meeting for those who weren't there. It was a good meeting. Had resolutions on most of open issues

Paul Groth: recap on the meeting for those who weren't there. It was a good meeting. Had resolutions on most of open issues

15:10:48 <dgarijo> ... I encourage to loook at the different resolutions. We need a new timetable. We are essentially a month behind our previous timetable. We'll ask for an extension.

... I encourage to loook at the different resolutions. We need a new timetable. We are essentially a month behind our previous timetable. We'll ask for an extension.

15:10:55 <dgarijo> ... there is now an implementation team

... there is now an implementation team

15:11:12 <dgarijo> ... in order to produce a report in interoperable implementations

... in order to produce a report in interoperable implementations

15:11:21 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:11:25 <dgarijo> ... we'll try to summarize this for next week

... we'll try to summarize this for next week

15:11:36 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:11:45 <pgroth> Topic: Reminders

3. Reminders

Summary: The group was reminded to provide any feature requests on the PAQ by the end of next week. The group was reminded about two new wiki pages for implementations of PROV and outreach information. The group was asked to contribute to them. In addition, the group was asked to mark ISWC 2012 as the time period for the next F2F meeting.

<pgroth> Summary: The group was reminded to provide any feature requests on the PAQ by the end of next week. The group was reminded about two new wiki pages for implementations of PROV and outreach information. The group was asked to contribute to them.  In addition, the group was asked to mark ISWC 2012 as the time period for the next F2F meeting.
15:12:19 <dgarijo> pgroth: for the PAQ we are keen on getting all the issues and request for features

Paul Groth: for the PAQ we are keen on getting all the issues and request for features

15:12:48 <dgarijo> ... we have met the deadline, but let's make it the middle of next week for issues and future requests

... we have met the deadline, but let's make it the middle of next week for issues and future requests

15:12:50 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:13:15 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvImplementations

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvImplementations

15:13:45 <dgarijo> ... I want to highlight 2 new wikipages: 1) prov implementations page: page to keep track of the implementations.

... I want to highlight 2 new wikipages: 1) prov implementations page: page to keep track of the implementations.

15:14:09 <dgarijo> ... by implementations we mean extensions and applications.

... by implementations we mean extensions and applications.

15:14:22 <dgarijo> ... if you are developing something, please add the link there

... if you are developing something, please add the link there

15:14:23 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:14:48 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/OutreachInformation

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/OutreachInformation

15:15:30 <dgarijo> pgroth: 2) ourtreach Info page. All the blog post and tutorials that have been done. If you have done anything then this will be a good place to document it.

Paul Groth: 2) ourtreach Info page. All the blog post and tutorials that have been done. If you have done anything then this will be a good place to document it.

15:15:41 <dgarijo> ... feel free to add anything

... feel free to add anything

15:15:43 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:15:58 <dgarijo> s /ourtreach/outreach

s /ourtreach/outreach

15:16:17 <dgarijo> pgroth: the slides will be there also.

Paul Groth: the slides will be there also.

15:16:32 <dgarijo> ... finally, f2f4 will be collocated with ISWC

... finally, f2f4 will be collocated with ISWC

15:16:43 <dgarijo> ... we will be adding a poll

... we will be adding a poll

15:16:51 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:17:07 <pgroth> Topic: Updates

4. Updates

Summary: An update on the dublin core mappings was given. The goal is to address all comments by next week and produce a Note version of the July 12. In addition, Luc gave an overview of how the technical issues remaining on PROV-DM were addressed by the editors according to the resolutions of F2F3.

<pgroth> Summary: An update on the dublin core mappings was given. The goal is to address all comments by next week and produce a Note version of the July 12. In addition, Luc gave an overview of how the technical issues remaining on PROV-DM were addressed by the editors according to the resolutions of F2F3.
15:17:08 <dgarijo> ... updates

... updates

15:17:25 <dgarijo> ... DC and DM. Will skip on prov o

... DC and DM. Will skip on prov o

15:17:49 <pgroth> dgarijo: talked to kai yesterday

Daniel Garijo: talked to kai yesterday [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ]

15:17:55 <khalidBelhajjame> dgarijo: agreed with Kai to resolve the issues identified in the reviews

Daniel Garijo: agreed with Kai to resolve the issues identified in the reviews [ Scribe Assist by Khalid Belhajjame ]

15:18:01 <pgroth> thanks khalidBelhajjame

Paul Groth: thanks khalidBelhajjame

15:18:12 <khalidBelhajjame> ... produces something by July

Khalid Belhajjame: ... produces something by July

15:18:39 <khalidBelhajjame> ... we will ask for reviews again once a note is ready for that

Khalid Belhajjame: ... we will ask for reviews again once a note is ready for that

15:19:07 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:19:10 <MacTed> Zakim, code?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, code?

15:19:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed

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15:19:17 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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15:19:26 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:19:26 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

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15:19:28 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:19:28 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

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15:19:29 <khalidBelhajjame> dgarijo: we wanted to have the note early to have time to address the reviews that we anticipate

Daniel Garijo: we wanted to have the note early to have time to address the reviews that we anticipate [ Scribe Assist by Khalid Belhajjame ]

15:19:38 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:19:51 <dgarijo> @khalid thanks for scribing, I will continue.

@khalid thanks for scribing, I will continue.

15:20:09 <dgarijo> Luc: update on DM.

Luc Moreau: update on DM.

15:20:19 <dgarijo> ... working on the resolutions made on the f2f

... working on the resolutions made on the f2f

15:20:29 <dgarijo> ... now they are on the agenda

... now they are on the agenda

15:20:54 <dgarijo> ... dictionary : we remove dictionary, which will be moved to a note.

... dictionary : we remove dictionary, which will be moved to a note.

15:21:01 <dgarijo> ... along with most of its relations

... along with most of its relations

15:21:13 <dgarijo> ... collections/membership will be kept

... collections/membership will be kept

15:21:31 <dgarijo> ... discussion on tracedTo

... discussion on tracedTo

15:21:58 <dgarijo> ... led to a resolution (unexpected) where it is replaced by influenced. (Not transitive)

... led to a resolution (unexpected) where it is replaced by influenced. (Not transitive)

15:22:17 <dgarijo> ... component 3 is being renamed including influence as well.

... component 3 is being renamed including influence as well.

15:22:38 <dgarijo> ... had discussions about which datatypes & version of RDF to follow.

... had discussions about which datatypes & version of RDF to follow.

15:22:50 <dgarijo> ... adopted some of the text in OWL 2

... adopted some of the text in OWL 2

15:23:00 <dgarijo> ... problem with xsd schema changing

... problem with xsd schema changing

15:23:18 <dgarijo> ... we will have to be conformant to version 1.1 of RDF

... we will have to be conformant to version 1.1 of RDF

15:23:33 <dgarijo> ... Ivan was happy with that.

... Ivan was happy with that.

15:23:39 <dgarijo> ... people could review that

... people could review that

15:23:50 <dgarijo> ... hadLocation was debated as well.

... hadLocation was debated as well.

15:24:14 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-mention

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-mention

15:24:27 <dgarijo> ... discussion on contextualization (continued in the mailing list). Resolved to rename contextualization. Also the notion of mentions (a bundle mentions an entity).

... discussion on contextualization (continued in the mailing list). Resolved to rename contextualization. Also the notion of mentions (a bundle mentions an entity).

15:24:54 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:24:59 <dgarijo> ... this will be marked as at risk, so we will be able to drop it if there are problems when implementing this.

... this will be marked as at risk, so we will be able to drop it if there are problems when implementing this.

15:25:30 <pgroth> Topic: Contextualization

5. Contextualization

Summary: Luc presented the renaming of contextualization to mention as asked for by the resolution from the F2F. The term remains marked as a feature at risk as per the resolution. The chairs will look into whether there should be a rational given for marking the feature at risk. James and Satya indicated that they were ok with this renaming and marking as a feature at risk

<pgroth> Summary: Luc presented the renaming of contextualization to mention as asked for by the resolution from the F2F. The term remains marked as a feature at risk as per the resolution. The chairs will look into whether there should be a rational given for marking the feature at risk. James and Satya indicated that they were ok with this renaming and marking as a feature at risk
15:25:57 <dgarijo> ... we had this resolution, to rename contextualization. Marked as risk

... we had this resolution, to rename contextualization. Marked as risk

15:26:00 <dgarijo> ... long debate

... long debate

15:26:09 <dgarijo> ... seems to be coming to some resolution

... seems to be coming to some resolution

15:26:18 <dgarijo> ... do people have comments/questions?

... do people have comments/questions?

15:26:35 <dgarijo> ... in particular the proposal to rename it to mention

... in particular the proposal to rename it to mention

15:26:36 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:26:51 <jcheney> think we need to hear from graham, who's not here

James Cheney: think we need to hear from graham, who's not here

15:27:02 <jcheney> i'm happy with renaming to mention & marking at risk

James Cheney: i'm happy with renaming to mention & marking at risk

15:27:34 <dgarijo> ... in the mailing list Graham seems to be ok with renaming it and marking it as risk

... in the mailing list Graham seems to be ok with renaming it and marking it as risk

15:27:59 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:28:39 <satya> I am also fine with including it (but not overloading specialization) and marking it as risk

Satya Sahoo: I am also fine with including it (but not overloading specialization) and marking it as risk

15:29:10 <dgarijo> Luc: we need to indicate explicitly the features at risk and be specific about why it is at risk. It remains to be done. I don't know how it should be written, so it would be good to have some input.

Luc Moreau: we need to indicate explicitly the features at risk and be specific about why it is at risk. It remains to be done. I don't know how it should be written, so it would be good to have some input.

15:29:46 <dgarijo> ... we need to explain to the readers what to look at and what the issue is.

... we need to explain to the readers what to look at and what the issue is.

15:30:40 <dgarijo> pgroth: my feeling is that having a long description would confuse the reader. By doing that you bias the user

Paul Groth: my feeling is that having a long description would confuse the reader. By doing that you bias the user

15:30:43 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:30:55 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:30:56 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:31:18 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:31:18 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

15:31:39 <dgarijo> MacTed: not sure how this can replace context

Ted Thibodeau: not sure how "mention" can replace "context"

15:31:40 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:31:49 <pgroth> Topic: Reviewers

6. Reviewers

Summary: The group was asked to volunteer for reviewing prov-dm and the prov-o ontology for last call. The reviews would be done by next Friday July 6, 2012 for a vote on Last Call July 12, 2012. The review for prov-o would be for the final ontology as the narrative is still being worked on. For prov-dm, Khalid, Daniel and James agreed to review. For prov-o, Luc and Paul agreed to review. Also, reminders were given for other outstanding reviews on the prov-primer and prov-n. The chairs expressed strong concern that there were not enough reviewers given that prov-dm and prov-o are Last Call documents. They will email the group reminding them of the importance of Last Call and reviewing.

<pgroth> Summary: The group was asked to volunteer for reviewing prov-dm and the prov-o ontology for last call. The reviews would be done by next Friday July 6, 2012 for a vote on Last Call July 12, 2012. The review for prov-o would be for the final ontology as the narrative is still being worked on.  For prov-dm, Khalid, Daniel and James agreed to review. For prov-o, Luc and Paul agreed to review. Also, reminders were given for other outstanding reviews on the prov-primer and prov-n. The chairs expressed strong concern that there were not enough reviewers given that prov-dm and prov-o are Last Call documents. They will email the group reminding them of the importance of Last Call and reviewing.
15:32:03 <MacTed> s/this can replace context/"mention" can replace "context"/
15:32:16 <dgarijo> pgroth: We agreed at the f2f that DM would try to address all the issues by ????

Paul Groth: We agreed at the f2f that DM would try to address all the issues by ????

15:32:27 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:32:27 <Zakim> MacTed was not muted, MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed was not muted, MacTed

15:32:37 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:32:42 <dgarijo> ... PROV-O : Tim said that the ontology would be ready for tomorrow

... PROV-O : Tim said that the ontology would be ready for tomorrow

15:32:54 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:32:54 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:32:55 <dgarijo> ... we will start 1 week review perios

... we will start 1 week review perios

15:32:58 <dgarijo> period

period

15:33:10 <dgarijo> ... and the we will go for LC

... and the we will go for LC

15:33:41 <dgarijo> ... the goal would be to get all reviews for next friday

... the goal would be to get all reviews for next friday

15:33:56 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:34:14 <dgarijo> ... questions about the timetable?

... questions about the timetable?

15:34:29 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:34:32 <dgarijo> ... who will be willing to review DM?

... who will be willing to review DM?

15:34:48 <dgarijo> Luc: are we reviewing the changes?

Luc Moreau: are we reviewing the changes?

15:34:54 <Luc> ack luc

Luc Moreau: ack luc

15:35:08 <khalidBelhajjame> I will review the changes in the DM

Khalid Belhajjame: I will review the changes in the DM

15:35:10 <dgarijo> ... paul: review of the changes, but if you want to review the entire doc, it would be ok

... paul: review of the changes, but if you want to review the entire doc, it would be ok

15:35:32 <dgarijo> Luc: it would be good if Khalid and Daniel review the changes

Luc Moreau: it would be good if Khalid and Daniel review the changes

15:35:34 <dgarijo> ok

ok

15:35:38 <jcheney> I will try to review DM, needed to update constraints anyway.

James Cheney: I will try to review DM, needed to update constraints anyway.

15:35:38 <dgarijo> I'll review them

I'll review them

15:35:54 <dgarijo> paul: anyone else?

Paul Groth: anyone else?

15:36:18 <pgroth> reviewers - james, khalidBelhajjame, daniel

Paul Groth: reviewers - james, khalidBelhajjame, daniel

15:36:24 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:36:36 <dgarijo> ... as a reminder, this is the document for LC. So please read it.

... as a reminder, this is the document for LC. So please read it.

15:36:47 <dgarijo> Luc: I am concerned by the lack of reviewers

Luc Moreau: I am concerned by the lack of reviewers

15:36:53 <dgarijo> ... we will have a vote in 2 weeks

... we will have a vote in 2 weeks

15:37:12 <dgarijo> ... there is no point if there are no reviewers.

... there is no point if there are no reviewers.

15:37:25 <khalidBelhajjame> Many people are not on the telecon, so it may be a good idea to send an email to the mailing list

Khalid Belhajjame: Many people are not on the telecon, so it may be a good idea to send an email to the mailing list

15:37:29 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+

15:37:40 <dgarijo> ... graham has been critical with some constructs I'd like his feedback. Satya and MacTed as well.

... graham has been critical with some constructs I'd like his feedback. Satya and MacTed as well.

15:37:57 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:38:15 <dgarijo> Satya: I was not formally volunteer, but I plan to read the doc

Satya Sahoo: I was not formally volunteer, but I plan to read the doc

15:38:53 <dgarijo> pgroth: if you could look at the things you weren't agreeing on.

Paul Groth: if you could look at the things you weren't agreeing on.

15:39:10 <dgarijo> Satya: Yes

Satya Sahoo: Yes

15:39:12 <pgroth> ack satya

Paul Groth: ack satya

15:39:13 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:39:48 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:39:56 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:40:10 <dgarijo> paul: if someone doesn't read the document and votes against it will be considered a foul vote.

Paul Groth: if someone doesn't read the document and votes against it will be considered a foul vote.

15:40:15 <Luc> ack luc

Luc Moreau: ack luc

15:40:27 <dgarijo> luc: we'll send a reminder to the list

Luc Moreau: we'll send a reminder to the list

15:40:38 <dgarijo> pgroth: any more reviewers?

Paul Groth: any more reviewers?

15:40:47 <dgarijo> ... PROV-O ontology

... PROV-O ontology

15:40:58 <dgarijo> ... stable and aligned to DM

... stable and aligned to DM

15:41:28 <dgarijo> ... difficult to fix the narrative since DM is being changed, but we'll release the ontology. Narrative will come later

... difficult to fix the narrative since DM is being changed, but we'll release the ontology. Narrative will come later

15:41:57 <dgarijo> ... questions?

... questions?

15:42:05 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:42:14 <dgarijo> I think it makes a lot of sense.

I think it makes a lot of sense.

15:42:23 <satya> @Paul, we agreed to this in the call on Monday

Satya Sahoo: @Paul, we agreed to this in the call on Monday

15:43:03 <Luc> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:43:07 <dgarijo> pgroth: reviewers for prov-o?

Paul Groth: reviewers for prov-o?

15:43:19 <Luc> +q

Luc Moreau: +q

15:43:20 <dgarijo> ... Paul, Luc,

... Paul, Luc,

15:43:26 <jcheney> will ead, may not be able to fully review

James Cheney: will ead, may not be able to fully review

15:43:32 <jcheney> will read, may not be able to fully review

James Cheney: will read, may not be able to fully review

15:43:39 <dgarijo> Luc: same comment as before. We need reviewers

Luc Moreau: same comment as before. We need reviewers

15:43:45 <pgroth> reviewers-  Paul, Luc

Paul Groth: reviewers- Paul, Luc

15:43:49 <Luc> ack

Luc Moreau: ack

15:43:50 <dgarijo> ... Will send an email

... Will send an email

15:44:02 <Luc> ack luc

Luc Moreau: ack luc

15:44:36 <satya> a suggestion - it will be helpful if the persons who have signed up for applications/implementation review PROV-O specifically

Satya Sahoo: a suggestion - it will be helpful if the persons who have signed up for applications/implementation review PROV-O specifically

15:44:40 <dgarijo> pgroth: it is very important to get feedback

Paul Groth: it is very important to get feedback

15:44:49 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:44:54 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:44:58 <MacTed> I cannot guaranteed full review of all docs, but best effort will be made.

Ted Thibodeau: I cannot guaranteed full review of all docs, but best effort will be made.

15:44:58 <MacTed> please provide URIs for each and every doc for which reviews are requested.  there are far too many to keep track of.

Ted Thibodeau: please provide URIs for each and every doc for which reviews are requested. there are far too many to keep track of.

15:44:58 <MacTed> if there's an intended "these depend on those" track, then prioritized list will be helpful.

Ted Thibodeau: if there's an intended "these depend on those" track, then prioritized list will be helpful.

15:45:27 <dgarijo> Luc: there are more docs. ProvN (under review).

Luc Moreau: there are more docs. ProvN (under review).

15:45:37 <dgarijo> ... still not any feedback received

... still not any feedback received

15:46:03 <jcheney> I read the last version before f2f3.  No objections.  Will read revised version more carefully.

James Cheney: I read the last version before f2f3. No objections. Will read revised version more carefully.

15:46:17 <dgarijo> ... please send the feedback. I'll send an email as a reminder

... please send the feedback. I'll send an email as a reminder

15:46:34 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:46:34 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

15:46:58 <Luc> @jcheney, thanks, could you just email this for the record. There was an issue for feedback.

Luc Moreau: @jcheney, thanks, could you just email this for the record. There was an issue for feedback.

15:47:10 <dgarijo> Macted: It will be very helpful if you could provide URIs for each doc+ prioritization.

Ted Thibodeau: It will be very helpful if you could provide URIs for each doc+ prioritization and dependency order.

15:47:12 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkingDrafts

James Cheney: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkingDrafts

15:47:25 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:47:29 <jcheney> has all the links but there is some cruft.

James Cheney: has all the links but there is some cruft.

15:47:58 <dgarijo> pgroth: I will send an email with the specific URIs

Paul Groth: I will send an email with the specific URIs

15:48:05 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:48:05 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:48:06 <pgroth> ack luc

Paul Groth: ack luc

15:48:18 <khalidBelhajjame> :-)

Khalid Belhajjame: :-)

15:48:20 <satya> :)

Satya Sahoo: :)

15:48:21 <khalidBelhajjame> bye

Khalid Belhajjame: bye

15:48:26 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame

Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidBelhajjame

15:48:27 <Zakim> -pgroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth

15:48:29 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo

15:48:29 <Zakim> -Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc

15:48:30 <Zakim> -dgarijo

Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo

15:48:30 <Zakim> -jun

Zakim IRC Bot: -jun

15:48:32 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

15:48:41 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public

15:48:45 <Zakim> -??P44

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P44

15:48:50 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes

Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes

15:48:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-prov-minutes.html pgroth

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15:48:52 <MacTed> s/prioritization/prioritization and dependency order/
15:48:58 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon

Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon

15:48:58 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

15:48:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Luc, pgroth, jun, khalidBelhajjame, Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo, MacTed

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15:49:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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15:49:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-prov-minutes.html trackbot

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15:49:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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15:49:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

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