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13:57:23 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #gld 13:57:23 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-gld-irc 13:57:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 13:57:25 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #gld 13:57:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD 13:57:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 13:57:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 13:57:28 <trackbot> Date: 28 March 2013 13:57:56 <james> james has joined #gld 13:58:38 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has now started 13:58:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 13:59:20 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman 13:59:33 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here? 13:59:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see james, HadleyBeeman 13:59:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see james, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, sandro, trackbot 13:59:48 <gatemezi> gatemezi has joined #gld 13:59:52 <fadmaa> fadmaa has joined #gld 14:00:01 <Zakim> +davidwood 14:00:16 <olyerickson> olyerickson has joined #gld 14:00:30 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa 14:00:41 <PhilA> PhilA has joined #gld 14:00:52 <fadmaa> Zakim, aaaa is me 14:00:52 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it 14:00:54 <Zakim> +MHausenblas 14:01:04 <cygri> cygri has joined #gld 14:01:07 <BartvanLeeuwen> BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 14:01:15 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me 14:01:15 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 14:01:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 14:01:20 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, mhausenblas is cygri 14:01:20 <Zakim> +cygri; got it 14:01:21 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me 14:01:21 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it 14:01:26 <bhyland> bhyland has joined #gld 14:01:38 <HadleyBeeman> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130328 14:01:55 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 14:01:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see james, HadleyBeeman, davidwood, fadmaa (muted), cygri, PhilA 14:02:03 <Zakim> +Sandro 14:02:13 <bhyland> zakim, davidwood is me 14:02:13 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it 14:02:47 <MakxDekkers> MakxDekkers has joined #gld 14:03:09 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has joined #gld 14:03:19 <Zakim> +??P1 14:03:24 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 14:03:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see james, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, fadmaa (muted), cygri, PhilA, Sandro, ??P1 14:03:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P1 is me 14:03:27 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 14:03:27 <Zakim> + +184.108.40.206.aabb 14:03:29 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me 14:03:29 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted 14:03:40 <bhyland> zakim, aabb is Biplav 14:03:40 <Zakim> +Biplav; got it 14:03:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 14:03:52 <Mike_Pendleton> Mike_Pendleton has joined #gld 14:04:02 <PhilA> PhilA has changed the topic to: Gov't Linked Data WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130328 14:04:10 <olyerickson> zakim, [ipcaller] is me. 14:04:10 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it 14:04:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 14:04:25 <bhyland> Scribe: Fadi 14:04:29 <bhyland> Chair: bhyland 14:04:29 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me 14:04:29 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 14:04:35 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton 14:04:38 <fadmaa> Scribe: fadmaa 14:04:51 <Biplav> Biplav has joined #gld 14:05:07 <HadleyBeeman> Last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-03-21 14:05:07 <MakxDekkers> MakxDekkers has joined #gld 14:05:21 <bhyland> Proposal to accept minutes from last week: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-03-21 14:05:40 <fadmaa> bhyland: PROPOSAL: accept last week minutes 14:05:55 <fadmaa> bhyland: we discussed attribution during last week telco 14:07:09 <bhyland> +1 14:07:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 14:07:15 <HadleyBeeman> +1 14:07:17 <DaveReynolds> +1 14:07:18 <gatemezi> +1 14:07:19 <PhilA> +1 14:07:37 <fadmaa> bhyland: RESOLUTION: accept the minutes 14:08:13 <fadmaa> bhyland: I thank you all for the great outreach last week with regards to the vocabularies 14:08:26 <MakxDekkers> MakxDekkers has joined #gld 14:08:47 <HadleyBeeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Mar/ 14:09:02 <fadmaa> bhyland: there was a great discussion particularly about DCAT and thanks to cygri for addressing most of them 14:09:23 <fadmaa> RESOLUTION: accept last week minutes 14:09:43 <fadmaa> TOPIC: F2F meeting in Dublin 14:09:48 <bhyland> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F3 14:09:57 <fadmaa> bhyland: we have 10 confirmed people 14:10:17 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers 14:10:18 <tinagheen> tinagheen has joined #gld 14:10:24 <fadmaa> bhyland: any thoughts regarding remote joining? 14:10:26 <Zakim> +[LC] 14:10:29 <bhyland> q? 14:10:35 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me 14:10:35 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it 14:10:38 <DaveReynolds> q+ 14:11:08 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: normally there is no remote option in the W3C F2F meeting 14:11:20 <DaveReynolds> s/no/always a/ 14:12:08 <DaveReynolds> ack me 14:12:13 <olyerickson> yes I am... 14:12:19 <olyerickson> not going to Dublin 14:12:31 <MariosMeimaris> MariosMeimaris has joined #gld 14:12:46 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 14:12:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see james, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, fadmaa (muted), cygri, PhilA, Sandro, BartvanLeeuwen, Biplav, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, Mike_Pendleton, MakxDekkers, tinagheen 14:13:03 <fadmaa> sandro: It'd help if we get a good Web cam for people joining remotely 14:13:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 14:13:24 <fadmaa> bhyland: we need someone to operate it though 14:13:26 <MariosMeimaris> zakim, IPcaller is me 14:13:26 <Zakim> +MariosMeimaris; got it 14:13:37 <MakxDekkers> I can bring my MiFi, but don't have an Irish SIM 14:13:52 <fadmaa> bhyland: we have no meal sponsor... you are encouraged to do so 14:13:55 <danbri> danbri has joined #gld 14:13:59 <bhyland> q? 14:14:04 <fadmaa> bhyland: otherwise, we have to pay for our meals 14:15:00 <fadmaa> cygri: the most important thing is to have time for discussing comments related to last call 14:15:29 <fadmaa> cygri: we have an hour slot reserved for each of the vocabulary 14:15:43 <bhyland> +1 14:15:44 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to being flexible about the agenda. 14:16:01 <fadmaa> cygri: I'd encourage being flexible with the agenda to accomodate for potential comments we might get 14:16:02 <HadleyBeeman> Especially because we don't know how many last call comments we will have, who will be able to participate. 14:16:10 <olyerickson> I can dial-in to the DCAT discussion 14:16:16 <fadmaa> bhyland: totally agree 14:16:55 <olyerickson> I did not realize I was on the agenda (looking at URI section) 14:16:58 <gatemezi> +1 to cygri point related to agenda flexibility and have more time for vocabs discussions 14:17:05 <PhilA> q+ 14:17:10 <fadmaa> bhyland: we might cancel the session dedicated to discussing licenses 14:17:38 <bhyland> q? 14:17:43 <bhyland> ack PhilA 14:17:49 <fadmaa> bhyland: PhilA will be our W3C contact during the meeting 14:18:32 <PhilA> http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/agenda 14:18:56 <fadmaa> PhilA: regarding F2F agenda, there is an hour dedicated to the open data on the web workshop 14:19:25 <fadmaa> PhilA: all people on this call is welcomed to join even if he/she has no paper there 14:19:39 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA, would you rather put a different title on the F2F session? 14:20:43 <DaveReynolds> q+ 14:20:49 <fadmaa> bhyland: we might use this slot to also discuss the potential of a follow-up of this group 14:20:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> Sorry PhilA ;) 14:21:09 <bhyland> q? 14:21:41 <Biplav> q+ 14:21:51 <HadleyBeeman> ack dave 14:22:26 <DaveReynolds> ack me 14:22:41 <HadleyBeeman> ack biplav 14:22:43 <bhyland> q? 14:23:37 <fadmaa> Biplav: a possible agenda topic, reserving a slot to reach-out for people other than the attendants 14:23:50 <HadleyBeeman> q+ 14:23:50 <bhyland> Biplav: Suggested we have a considered, thoughtful outreach effort post-GLD WG ... 14:23:54 <fadmaa> Biplav: I mean people working on open governemtn catalogues 14:23:58 <bhyland> … .e.g, Greece, Kenya, etc. 14:24:16 <fadmaa> s/governemtn/government/ 14:24:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ 14:25:07 <bhyland> q? 14:25:50 <cygri> q+ 14:26:02 <fadmaa> Biplav: a half-time slot that people from outside the working group might join remotely (online) 14:26:09 <bhyland> +1 to Biplav's idea but not sure how we'd do it logistically 14:26:32 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: very good idea I am a bit concerned that we might don't have time for that 14:26:48 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: also we need their comments to arrive before the F2F 14:27:33 <gatemezi> For the comments, we can also try to send them a mail via their public address 14:27:40 <gatemezi> from their portal 14:28:01 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to bhyland to explore this… and possibly wrap into EDF presentation? 14:28:03 <bhyland> Biplav: There are risks, but there there benefits to present a polished presentation on the deliverables, to promote usage. 14:28:07 <fadmaa> bhyland: we have a speaking slot at EDF I can use a couple of minutes of the slot there 14:28:12 <HadleyBeeman> q- 14:28:53 <HadleyBeeman> Should we find some way to include the eGov IG in this outreach? 14:29:01 <fadmaa> BartvanLeeuwen: Biplav idea sounds good to me. I'd suggest to have some ready presentation that we can use to reach-out about the working group activities and products 14:29:24 <fadmaa> BartvanLeeuwen: we might work on that during the F2F meeting 14:29:36 <bhyland> +1 to Bart's idea for a short deck that all members could use for future presentations. 14:30:25 <bhyland> Does anyone want to take this as an action item? We have lots of content …. anyone feeling their inner marketing creativity? 14:30:27 <danbri> danbri has joined #gld 14:30:35 <fadmaa> cygri: outreach is definitely important. I am, though, concerned about taking time out of the F2F meeting for this 14:31:41 <fadmaa> cygri: The F2F meeting is not necessarily the best time to work on preparing a presentation... using the time for discussing and planning outreach activities sound better to me 14:32:21 <bhyland> q? 14:32:26 <bhyland> ack Bart 14:32:32 <bhyland> ack cygri 14:32:38 <fadmaa> bhyland: I updated the agenda and dedicated a skot for the outreach 14:32:48 <fadmaa> TOPIC: Linked Data Glossary 14:33:01 <fadmaa> bhyland: we have a short name approved. 14:33:16 <fadmaa> bhyland: we seeked the feedback of a number of relevant experts 14:33:57 <fadmaa> bhyland: we are ready to getting it published as a note 14:35:07 <olyerickson> Yes, jahendler is out for Passover 14:35:19 <bhyland> q? 14:35:24 <fadmaa> PhilA: we need to keep the upcoming holidays in mind with regards to the publication dates 14:35:35 <fadmaa> TOPIC: DCAT 14:35:38 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Timetable 14:35:54 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me 14:35:54 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted 14:36:31 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat 14:37:15 <olyerickson> How are we tracking and vetting these DCAT issues? 14:37:45 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/TR has a much more strict process than http://www.w3.org/ns (at the moment) 14:38:24 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/ 14:38:46 <olyerickson> Wait, are "we" editing the LCWD? 14:39:00 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl 14:39:01 <Zakim> -Biplav 14:39:07 <olyerickson> ie making changes during LC? 14:39:44 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me 14:39:44 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 14:40:01 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me 14:40:01 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted 14:40:02 <olyerickson> Q+ 14:40:21 <bhyland> q? 14:40:27 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me 14:40:27 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 14:40:42 <cygri> q+ 14:40:58 <fadmaa> olyerickson: are we editing the last call working draft as we are getting the comments? 14:41:05 <DaveReynolds> q+ 14:41:31 <PhilA> q+ to answer John 14:41:39 <fadmaa> olyerickson: that might confuse people as they are asked to review the specification 14:41:40 <olyerickson> ack 14:41:50 <sandro> olyerickson, the WORKING DRAFT is NOT being changed. I imagine the EDITORS DRAFT is being changed. 14:41:54 <fadmaa> bhyland: we need to respond to all the comments we are getting 14:42:08 <olyerickson> sandro: okay... 14:42:19 <cygri> q- 14:42:20 <fadmaa> bhyland: and we need to edit the document when we have corrections to make 14:42:28 <DaveReynolds> q- 14:42:36 <fadmaa> sandro: the editor draft can be edited but not the working draft 14:42:52 <sandro> PhilA: The changes made need to be within a very limited bound. Substantial changes will require another Last Call. 14:42:56 <fadmaa> sandro: editing the working draft needs group agreement 14:43:16 <sandro> PhilA: The changes can be editorial, no more. 14:43:27 <fadmaa> PhilA: we can only make editorial changes to the last call working draft. major changes require re-going through the process 14:43:54 <PhilA> q- 14:43:56 <sandro> PhilA: A subtantive change is something that would break an implementation. A substantive change would require a second last call. 14:43:58 <bhyland> Topic: Data Cube 14:44:00 <olyerickson> q- 14:44:04 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Timetable 14:44:22 <sandro> fadmaa, where/how are comments being tracked? 14:44:28 <sandro> fadmaa, (if they are) 14:44:35 <fadmaa> cygri: we are waiting for last call feedback 14:44:42 <bhyland> They should be tracked via public comments mailing list 14:44:50 <fadmaa> cygri: so far there has been no comments received 14:45:03 <fadmaa> bhyland: how are we tracking the comments we get? 14:45:05 <danbri> danbri has joined #gld 14:45:15 <bhyland> Sandro: Disposition of comments 14:45:39 <fadmaa> sandro: we need to create a page that list the coments we get and how we address them 14:45:39 <HadleyBeeman> Example disposition of comments http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42538/ElementTraversal/doc/ 14:46:40 <bhyland> Sandro: Some groups use a simple wiki or LC tracker. 14:46:42 <fadmaa> sandro: groups can use a Wiki page or the LC comments tracker 14:47:01 <cygri> q+ 14:47:17 <fadmaa> bhyland: editors should be responsible of maintaining this? 14:47:22 <bhyland> … Advise doing it along the way. 14:47:27 <fadmaa> sandro: either editors or the chairs can do this 14:47:55 <DaveReynolds> For example see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_LC_comments for ORG. That will need cleaning up and checking before asking for a CR transition. 14:48:37 <bhyland> @Dave, thank you, good example. 14:48:53 <fadmaa> cygri: we have a number of spec in the last call currently. Creating a list from the mailing archive we have is some manual work that needs to be done but I don't think it will be a lot of work 14:48:59 <fadmaa> ... if we do it per spec. 14:49:06 <sandro> Here's a pretty wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments or another http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments 14:49:27 <fadmaa> cygri: I think having the editors keeping track of that is a good idea 14:49:58 <sandro> "disposition of comments" 14:50:24 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: I will add a column "disposition of comments" to the summary table we have 14:50:47 <fadmaa> sandro: will we use WIKI or LC tracker? 14:50:48 <DaveReynolds> q+ 14:50:53 <fadmaa> bhyland: 14:51:07 <fadmaa> bhyland: let's leave it to the decision of the editors 14:51:14 <gatemezi> @hadleyBeeman: with a link to each comment section per spec? 14:51:24 <fadmaa> bhyland: this is only for the recommendation track 14:51:51 <HadleyBeeman> @gatemezi: yes, a with a link to each comment. I'll create a holding page for comment tracking of each spec. 14:51:55 <bhyland> q? 14:52:09 <bhyland> Topic: Org Vocab 14:52:10 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Timetable 14:52:33 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: we have only one comment which is not specifically related to ORG 14:53:11 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: I responded to it but don't consider that a direct comment to ORG 14:53:52 <fadmaa> PhilA: we need to respond to comments until the commentor is happy 14:53:56 <bhyland> Definition of what goes on the Disposition wiki page or tracker = Proof that comments were received, evaluated and replied to. Replies don't always have to be in the affirmative. 14:54:10 <fadmaa> PhilA: or we get no response. still good to send a reminder 14:54:23 <fadmaa> ... in case of no response 14:55:05 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: we have to respond to any comment that is clearly addressed at some last call draft 14:55:49 <sandro> yay! 14:55:52 <HadleyBeeman> :) 14:56:08 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: the provenance group informed us that they are happy with the reply we provided 14:56:12 <sandro> DaveReynolds: PROV WG is happy with our responses with their reviews. 14:56:13 <bhyland> Issue-55, issue-56, issue-57 can all be closed. 14:56:19 <sandro> issue-55? 14:56:19 <trackbot> ISSUE-55 -- Use of prov:wasDerivedFrom -- pending review 14:56:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/55 14:56:23 <sandro> issue-56? 14:56:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-56 -- Check PROV semantic constraints -- pending review 14:56:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/56 14:56:26 <sandro> issue-57? 14:56:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-57 -- PROV use of invalidation -- pending review 14:56:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/57 14:56:33 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: we can now close the issues 55, 56 and 57 14:56:35 <Zakim> -olyerickson 14:56:43 <bhyland> Topic: Community Directory 14:56:44 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/File:W3C_Community_Directory_Workflow-status_update_20130328.pdf 14:56:46 <DaveReynolds> q- 14:57:26 <fadmaa> bhyland: we worked on streamlining the workflow re. community directory 14:57:40 <fadmaa> bhyland: have a look at the updated document 14:58:13 <fadmaa> bhyland: creating an entry now is an asynchronous process 14:58:36 <fadmaa> bhyland: in response to registering an entry we provide RDF (we used the ORG ontology also) 14:59:00 <fadmaa> ... the web master can then paste the resulting RDF 14:59:37 <fadmaa> ... after that, the location of the published RDF needs to be provided to our system 14:59:38 <sandro> I wonder about using a .well-known location, so one just needs the domain name? Or about embedding it in the / document 14:59:57 <fadmaa> ... the user interface of the directory has been significantly improved 15:00:37 <sandro> +1 willing to try 15:00:42 <fadmaa> bhyland: people on this call are encouraged to test it 15:00:54 <bhyland> q? 15:01:13 <fadmaa> ... they need to be able to put a turtle file one the Web 15:01:25 <PhilA> I can give it a whirl although I don't think I'm really the target for the Dir but yes, I have write access to philarcher.org 15:01:32 <sandro> q+ 15:01:38 <bhyland> ack cygri 15:01:42 <olyerickson> olyerickson has left #gld 15:02:02 <DaveReynolds> q+ 15:02:42 <sandro> Is it okay too put the w3c one at http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/ ... ? 15:02:43 <bhyland> Sandro: The dir.ttl Turtle file can be put in your staff or personal area. 15:02:49 <sandro> bhyland: yes 15:04:15 <HadleyBeeman> If we have personal information, might there be Data Protection issues in moving data from one databases to another? 15:04:31 <bhyland> q? 15:04:34 <sandro> q- 15:04:36 <DaveReynolds> q- 15:04:37 <bhyland> ack sandro 15:05:03 <gatemezi> I guess we have info that are public 15:05:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> cya 15:05:26 <gatemezi> office tel, address, etc.. 15:05:26 <fadmaa> RRSAgent: make minutes public 15:05:26 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', fadmaa. Try /msg RRSAgent help 15:05:27 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen 15:05:30 <james> james has left #gld 15:05:30 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman 15:05:31 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers 15:05:32 <Zakim> -bhyland 15:05:33 <Zakim> -tinagheen 15:05:33 <Zakim> -cygri 15:05:33 <Zakim> -Sandro 15:05:35 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds 15:05:36 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has left #gld 15:05:36 <Zakim> -PhilA 15:05:37 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton 15:05:37 <Zakim> -james 15:05:38 <Zakim> -MariosMeimaris 15:05:43 <MariosMeimaris> MariosMeimaris has left #gld 15:05:53 <fadmaa> rrsagent, generate minutes 15:05:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-gld-minutes.html fadmaa 15:05:58 <bhyland> Thanks everyone, sorry for the moving that telecon so fast, we had a lot to cover. 15:05:59 <Zakim> -fadmaa 15:05:59 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 15:05:59 <Zakim> Attendees were james, HadleyBeeman, +3539149aaaa, fadmaa, cygri, PhilA, Sandro, bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, +220.127.116.11.aabb, Biplav, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, Mike_Pendleton, 15:06:00 <Zakim> ... MakxDekkers, tinagheen, MariosMeimaris 15:06:02 <danbri_> danbri_ has joined #gld 15:06:04 <bhyland> Thanks Fadi for scribing!! # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000336