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15:00:03 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #gld 15:00:03 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-gld-irc 15:00:05 <ericstephan> ericstephan has joined #GLD 15:00:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 15:00:05 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #gld 15:00:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD 15:00:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 15:00:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 15:00:08 <trackbot> Date: 14 February 2013 15:00:21 <Zakim> - +1.540.898.aabb 15:00:32 <BenediktKaempgen> BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld 15:00:32 <DeirdreLee> DeirdreLee has joined #gld 15:00:38 <Zakim> -??P6 15:00:49 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software 15:01:04 <Zakim> + +1.540.898.aacc 15:01:06 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 15:01:06 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it 15:01:07 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me 15:01:07 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted 15:01:11 <Zakim> + +1.440.389.aadd 15:01:12 <bhyland> zakim, aacc is me 15:01:12 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it 15:01:17 <martin_> martin_ has joined #gld 15:01:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:01:27 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, aadd is me 15:01:28 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it 15:01:31 <Zakim> +??P17 15:01:39 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Topic: Govt Linked Data WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ - agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130214 15:01:40 <Zakim> +??P18 15:01:52 <bhyland> Meeting: GLD 15:01:53 <Zakim> -??P18 15:01:53 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has joined #gld 15:01:58 <BenediktKaempgen> Zakim, +??P17 is \me 15:01:58 <Zakim> sorry, BenediktKaempgen, I do not recognize a party named '+??P17' 15:01:59 <fadmaa> hello all am still having problems joining the call 15:02:06 <bhyland> chair: HadleyBeeman 15:02:11 <Zakim> +??P7 15:02:13 <BenediktKaempgen> Zakim, ??P17 is \me 15:02:13 <Zakim> +\me; got it 15:02:16 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ??P7 is me 15:02:18 <bhyland> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130214 15:02:27 <BenediktKaempgen> Zakim, ??P17 is BenediktKaempgen 15:02:27 <Zakim> I already had ??P17 as me, BenediktKaempgen 15:02:30 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaee 15:02:30 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P7 is me 15:02:30 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call 15:02:31 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 15:02:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', bhyland 15:02:37 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:02:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.509.967.aaaa, TallTed (muted), bhyland, HadleyBeeman, james, me, JoaoPauloAlmeida, +33.4.93.00.aaee 15:02:44 <Zakim> +??P18 15:02:53 <martin_> zakim, ??p18 is me 15:02:53 <Zakim> +martin_; got it 15:02:56 <BenediktKaempgen> Zakim, me is BenediktKaempgen 15:02:56 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it 15:02:59 <bhyland> zakim, aaaa is ericstephan 15:02:59 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it 15:03:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:03:13 <gatemezi> Zakim, aaee is me 15:03:15 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it 15:03:30 <bhyland> zakim, aaee is gatemezi 15:03:30 <Zakim> sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee' 15:04:00 <gatemezi> Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aaee is me 15:04:00 <Zakim> sorry, gatemezi, I do not recognize a party named '+33.4.93.00.aaee' 15:04:01 <DeirdreLee> Hi, I'm having trouble dialling in 15:04:45 <Zakim> + +3539149aaff 15:04:50 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:04:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, TallTed (muted), bhyland, HadleyBeeman, james, BenediktKaempgen, JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi, martin_, DaveReynolds, +3539149aaff 15:05:12 <bhyland> zakim, aaff is deirdrelee 15:05:12 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it 15:06:51 <Zakim> + +35386100aagg 15:06:59 <gatemezi> Scribe: gatemezi 15:07:02 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353 is me 15:07:02 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it 15:07:08 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me 15:07:08 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 15:07:22 <gatemezi> Chair: HadleyBeeman 15:08:28 <gatemezi> Topic: Mercurial Issue 15:08:54 <bhyland> Here is the problem, identified by DaveR: 15:08:54 <bhyland> There actually seem to be three heads in the repository at the moment. So are there are two problematic checkins, not just one. 15:08:54 <bhyland> 15:08:54 <bhyland> Using "hg heads" on a fresh clone I see: 15:08:54 <bhyland> 15:08:54 <bhyland> [[[ 15:08:54 <bhyland> ..changeset: 266:a849bc621eb6 15:08:54 <bhyland> ..tag: tip 15:08:55 <bhyland> ..user: gatemezi 15:08:55 <bhyland> ..date: Thu Feb 07 15:18:37 2013 +0100 15:08:55 <bhyland> ..summary: test adding new respec 15:08:56 <bhyland> 15:08:56 <bhyland> ..changeset: 264:df2f123b3c12 15:08:56 <bhyland> ..user: bkaempge 15:08:57 <bhyland> date: Sat Feb 02 13:06:39 2013 +0100 15:08:57 <bhyland> summary: Added change to respec usage as Richard suggested. 15:08:57 <bhyland> 15:08:58 <bhyland> ..changeset: 244:903d84fc1644 15:08:58 <bhyland> ..user: agipap <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> 15:08:58 <bhyland> date: Thu Oct 25 16:22:59 2012 +0300 15:08:59 <bhyland> summary: made a new verion of the exemplary RDF file 15:08:59 <bhyland> ]]] 15:09:08 <james> james has joined #gld 15:10:35 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds: We have to solve the issues... merge the two branches to one piece 15:10:38 <bhyland> For clarification, we haven't lost anything. 15:11:38 <james> james has joined #gld 15:11:53 <bhyland> The good news is, each of the people were working on different docs. 15:12:02 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-01-24 15:12:10 <gatemezi> bhyland : Dave will look at the problem much in detail 15:12:19 <bhyland> DaveR agreed to look at the various heads tonight & contact owners if there are any issues 15:12:32 <bhyland> +1 15:12:44 <DaveReynolds> +1 15:13:03 <gatemezi> +1 15:13:12 <bhyland> There is a new member on the call, ericstephan ... 15:13:12 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 15:13:37 <gatemezi> Topic: New on the call 15:13:44 <BartvanLeeuwen> BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 15:13:58 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is speaking? 15:14:09 <Zakim> gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (37%), gatemezi (9%) 15:14:23 <bhyland> +1 15:14:29 <bhyland> +q 15:14:41 <gatemezi> Eric presented himself. 15:15:17 <gatemezi> Topic: Review of the timeline 15:15:46 <Zakim> +??P32 15:15:56 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P32 is me 15:15:56 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 15:15:56 <bhyland> For everyone's benefit, here is the W3C process timeline: 15:15:57 <bhyland> With all things going well: 15:15:57 <bhyland> Once at LC, it takes 6 weeks 15:15:57 <bhyland> Once at CR, it takes 6 weeks - if we got to CR, we could get an extension. 15:15:57 <bhyland> Once at TR, it takes 6 weeks 15:16:11 <gatemezi> HadleyBeeman: we have to review our work from now till the end of our group 15:16:51 <gatemezi> Topic: ORG to CR by May (DaveR) 15:17:04 <Zakim> -gatemezi 15:17:32 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida 15:17:56 <Zakim> +??P7 15:18:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P7 is me 15:18:03 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 15:18:25 <Zakim> +gatemezi 15:19:05 <Yigal> Yigal has joined #gld 15:19:27 <HadleyBeeman> bhyland: We have a lot of deliverables. We should realise we won't get them all to Rec, but we do have some within striking distance. Especially Cube and DCAT to last call and ORG and REGORG to working group note. 15:19:29 <gatemezi> bhyland: we need acceleration to have DQ and DCAT to have ready for end of May 15:20:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:20:30 <Yigal> zakim, IPcaller is me 15:20:30 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it 15:20:32 <MakxDekkers> MakxDekkers has joined #gld 15:21:17 <gatemezi> ...We have to be sure to have things done.. 15:21:32 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 to get things done for QB until the end of WG 15:21:33 <TallTed> TallTed has joined #gld 15:21:41 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here? 15:21:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, TallTed (muted), bhyland, HadleyBeeman, james, BenediktKaempgen, martin_, DaveReynolds, deirdrelee, fadmaa (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, 15:21:45 <Zakim> ... JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi, Yigal 15:21:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see TallTed, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, james, DaveReynolds, martin_, DeirdreLee, BenediktKaempgen, Zakim, ericstephan, RRSAgent, fadmaa, JoaoPauloAlmeida, HadleyBeeman, 15:21:45 <Zakim> ... gatemezi, bhyland, trackbot, sandro 15:21:53 <MakxDekkers> MakxDekkers has joined #gld 15:22:07 <bhyland> Small correction: RegOrg only as a possible Working Note. 15:22:10 <DaveReynolds> q+ 15:22:20 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 to not overly extending WG 15:22:23 <bhyland> ack bhyland 15:22:30 <DaveReynolds> ack me 15:22:42 <bhyland> Summary of my points: 15:22:53 <bhyland> Get Cube to LC ASAP, get to CR by end of May. 15:22:53 <gatemezi> HadleyBeeman: ORG ready for end of May as Candidate REC ? 15:23:12 <bhyland> Get DCAT to LC ASAP, possible to CR by end of May 15:23:19 <gatemezi> Dave: Yes, we can make it! It will depends on the discussion 15:23:33 <bhyland> Get ORG to CR, get ORG to TR by end of May 15:24:17 <HadleyBeeman> W3C process: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr 15:24:28 <bhyland> Per W3C staffer: 15:24:28 <bhyland> With all things going well: 15:24:28 <bhyland> Once at LC, it takes 6 weeks 15:24:28 <bhyland> Once at CR, it takes 6 weeks - if we got to CR, we could get an extension. 15:24:28 <bhyland> Once at TR, it takes 6 weeks 15:24:36 <HadleyBeeman> 7.1.2 Maturity Levels of the Recommendation Track 15:24:36 <HadleyBeeman> In addition to Working Drafts that are meant to advance to Recommendation, the other maturity levels of the Recommendation Track are: 15:24:36 <HadleyBeeman> Candidate Recommendation (CR) 15:24:36 <HadleyBeeman> A Candidate Recommendation is a document that W3C believes has been widely reviewed and satisfies the Working Group's technical requirements. W3C publishes a Candidate Recommendation to gather implementation experience. 15:24:37 <HadleyBeeman> Proposed Recommendation (PR) 15:24:37 <HadleyBeeman> A Proposed Recommendation is a mature technical report that, after wide review for technical soundness and implementability, W3C has sent to the W3C Advisory Committee for final endorsement. 15:24:37 <HadleyBeeman> W3C Recommendation (REC) 15:24:38 <HadleyBeeman> A W3C Recommendation is a specification or set of guidelines that, after extensive consensus-building, has received the endorsement of W3C Members and the Director. W3C recommends the wide deployment of its Recommendations. Note: W3C Recommendations are similar to the standards published by other organizations. 15:26:48 <gatemezi> bhyland: We need to have feedbacks from the the rest of the group...Isn't it better to publish ORG and have CR? 15:27:43 <james> james has joined #gld 15:28:02 <HadleyBeeman> q+ 15:28:43 <MakxDekkers_> MakxDekkers_ has joined #gld 15:28:59 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2005/08/01-transitions.html 15:30:06 <Zakim> + +3858455aahh 15:30:42 <MakxDekkers_> zakim aahh is me 15:30:48 <gatemezi> HadleyBeeman: there is a transition meeting where we prepare existing implementations and maybe future objections 15:31:59 <ericstephan> q+ 15:32:03 <HadleyBeeman> q- 15:32:38 <martin_> \me Apologies, I have to leave. 15:32:52 <Zakim> -martin_ 15:32:56 <martin_> martin_ has left #gld 15:33:21 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida 15:33:34 <Zakim> +??P7 15:33:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P7 is me 15:33:41 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 15:34:04 <gatemezi> bhyland: we need more commitments to have ORG ready before May 15:34:10 <bhyland> ack bhyland 15:34:57 <BenediktKaempgen> +q 15:35:16 <HadleyBeeman> ack ericstephan 15:36:03 <james> ack james 15:36:23 <gatemezi> ericstephan: It is important to push the publication of our vocabs...he volunteers to review ORG 15:36:37 <gatemezi> s/vocabs/ORG 15:36:38 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: can be an implementation of ORG as well 15:37:12 <DaveReynolds> Thanks to James and Eric, implementation evidence would be great! 15:37:31 <gatemezi> BenediktKaempgen: How to help Dave with the next steps? creating a UCs ? 15:38:36 <bhyland> Topic: Cube 15:39:13 <bhyland> If we have a hope of getting Cube to CR by end of May, we need to get Cube to LC ASAP. DaveReynolds agreed to have a look and swap in Cube issues 15:39:18 <gatemezi> Dave: will go throw the differents issues btw Cube and ORG and get agreement 15:39:29 <bhyland> q+ 15:39:47 <BenediktKaempgen> ack me 15:40:10 <bhyland> ack bhyland 15:40:37 <gatemezi> +1 to this priority: ORG, Cube and DCAT 15:40:48 <ericstephan> + 15:40:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 15:41:24 <gatemezi> BenediktKaempgen: commits to put more time in Cube in the coming weeks 15:42:31 <gatemezi> Zakim, mute me 15:42:31 <Zakim> gatemezi should now be muted 15:42:49 <bhyland> May I put a fine point on this in direct American style? There is urgency to getting LC in a week. 15:44:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Do we really need another LC on ORG? 15:45:10 <bhyland> DaveR: There is no possibility of Cube getting to LC in a week 15:45:48 <james> james has joined #gld 15:45:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q 15:46:03 <ericstephan> I will look into getting additional external reviewers on cube if that would be helpful 15:46:53 <gatemezi> HadleyBeeman: LC of Cube at the beginning of March? 15:47:46 <bhyland> yes 15:49:00 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida 15:49:22 <Zakim> +??P7 15:49:32 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P7 is me 15:49:32 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 15:49:55 <gatemezi> ACTION: DaveReynolds to contact Richard to review Cube to have Cube ready for March, 8th 15:49:55 <trackbot> Error finding 'DaveReynolds'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>. 15:49:55 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Sorry, for some reason, I keep disconnecting. 15:50:18 <james> james has joined #gld 15:50:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> q? 15:50:23 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me 15:50:24 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted 15:50:48 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 15:51:17 <gatemezi> Topic: DCAT 15:51:22 <MakxDekkers> MakxDekkers has joined #gld 15:51:48 <gatemezi> fadmaa: we had a meeting to resolve many issues.. 15:52:02 <bhyland> ..notes there has been a lot of discussion on the list re: DCAT, which is great. Thank you Fadi & others for focusing on this. 15:52:35 <bhyland> +1 to separate telecon 15:52:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to seperate telco as well 15:52:56 <gatemezi> ...Decide if you have a different telecon or 30 mins to resolve remaining issues? 15:53:13 <gatemezi> +1 to separate telco as well 15:54:20 <bhyland> Fadi: Thinks DCAT is in proper shape to move to LC ASAP 15:54:48 <james> james has joined #gld 15:55:26 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me 15:55:26 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 15:55:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> q- 15:55:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> -q 15:55:41 <gatemezi> Zakim, unmute me 15:55:41 <Zakim> gatemezi should no longer be muted 15:55:53 <gatemezi> Topic: Glossary and BP 15:56:03 <bhyland> Status on BP on Linked Open Data 15:56:03 <bhyland> Sandro: We haven't talked about the controversial issues 15:56:03 <bhyland> 15:56:03 <bhyland> ..Procurement: needs editing, but have content & feedback. 15:56:03 <bhyland> ..Vocab selection: needs editing, but have content. 15:56:03 <bhyland> ..URI Construction: needs editing, but have content. 15:56:03 <bhyland> ..Versioning: RDF WG talked about this a lot and couldn't come to closure. Not addressed in GLD WG. 15:56:04 <bhyland> ..Stability: Not addressed 15:56:04 <bhyland> ..Legacy: Not addressed 15:56:04 <bhyland> ..Cookbook: Ready for review. 15:56:12 <gatemezi> s/Fadi/fadmaa 15:56:21 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I have reviewed the Stability section as requested. 15:56:25 <cygri> cygri has joined #gld 15:56:38 <DaveReynolds> q+ 15:56:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I do not believe it is currently mature enough. I suggest abandoning the Stability section. 15:57:19 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> or rewriting it 15:57:30 <gatemezi> bhyland: In BP, there are some sections that need to be removed 15:57:40 <ericstephan> +q will telecon be available? 15:57:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 15:57:46 <fadmaa> I am going as well 15:57:56 <gatemezi> Topic : 3F2F in Dublin 15:57:57 <DaveReynolds> I'm on the queue but have concerns about retaining procurement section of BP 15:58:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q 15:58:20 <DaveReynolds> Also URI guidance is being substantially reviewed in UK and you should take this into account 15:58:34 <DaveReynolds> It may be better to drop both of those sections 15:58:35 <bhyland> Topic: F2F3 15:58:39 <bhyland> See wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F3 15:58:47 <ericstephan> I could do skype 15:58:53 <HadleyBeeman> The challenge with dropping URI guidance is that everyone is looking for it. 15:58:54 <DaveReynolds> If they are retained then please give us enough time to review 15:58:56 <HadleyBeeman> q? 15:59:27 <bhyland> FWIW, our Doodle poll taken showed enthusiasm but the list has been quiet since then, see http://www.doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi 15:59:28 <DaveReynolds> ack me 15:59:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me 16:00:11 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here? 16:00:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, TallTed (muted), bhyland, HadleyBeeman, james, BenediktKaempgen, DaveReynolds, deirdrelee, fadmaa (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi, Yigal, 16:00:15 <Zakim> ... +3858455aahh, JoaoPauloAlmeida 16:00:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, james, MakxDekkers, TallTed, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, DaveReynolds, DeirdreLee, BenediktKaempgen, Zakim, ericstephan, RRSAgent, fadmaa, JoaoPauloAlmeida, 16:00:15 <Zakim> ... HadleyBeeman, gatemezi, bhyland, trackbot, sandro 16:00:30 <gatemezi> Bart: Do we have a specific agenda in the F2F? 16:02:21 <gatemezi> bhyland : It will be important to have things well documented for the F2F.. 16:02:53 <gatemezi> ...a place also to have input for the deliverables part .. 16:02:54 <james> james has joined #gld 16:03:34 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen 16:03:35 <Zakim> -ericstephan 16:03:36 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida 16:03:36 <Zakim> -TallTed 16:03:37 <bhyland> Thank you Hadley! 16:03:38 <Yigal> Yigal has left #gld 16:03:39 <Zakim> -fadmaa 16:03:40 <BenediktKaempgen> Thanks hadley and bernadette! 16:03:41 <Zakim> -gatemezi 16:03:44 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen 16:03:46 <Zakim> - +3858455aahh 16:03:46 <Zakim> -james 16:03:48 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here? 16:03:48 <Zakim> -Yigal 16:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, HadleyBeeman, DaveReynolds, deirdrelee 16:03:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see james, cygri, TallTed, DaveReynolds, DeirdreLee, BenediktKaempgen, Zakim, RRSAgent, fadmaa, HadleyBeeman, gatemezi, bhyland, trackbot, sandro 16:03:51 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds 16:03:58 <Zakim> -deirdrelee 16:04:03 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has left #gld 16:04:20 <gatemezi> rrsagent, generate minutes 16:04:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-gld-minutes.html gatemezi 16:04:52 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 16:05:41 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, generate minutes 16:05:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-gld-minutes.html gatemezi 16:05:52 <bhyland> Thanks Ghislain! # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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