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14:55:21 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #gld 14:55:21 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-gld-irc 14:55:37 <bhyland> Meeting: W3C Gov Linked Data WG 14:55:43 <bhyland> Chair: bhyland 14:55:47 <bhyland> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130110 14:55:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> hi bhyland 14:56:08 <bhyland> Hi Bart! Happy new year to you 14:56:37 <HadleyBeeman> Hi all 14:56:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> yeah and a safe one to you ! 14:57:21 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, what's the code? 14:57:21 <Zakim> sorry, HadleyBeeman, I don't know what conference this is 14:57:23 <bhyland> yes, repairs are done & additional smoke detectors will be installed next week… hoping for a smoke free 2013 14:57:27 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, this is gld 14:57:27 <Zakim> ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 14:57:34 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, what's the code? 14:57:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:email@example.com), HadleyBeeman 14:57:39 <bhyland> conference code 45394# ("GLDWG") 14:57:47 <HadleyBeeman> thanks, bhyland! :) 14:57:52 <BenediktKaempgen> BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld 14:58:03 <Zakim> +??P2 14:58:15 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p2 is me 14:58:15 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 14:58:52 <Zakim> +??P8 14:59:00 <fadmaa> fadmaa has joined #gld 14:59:00 <jmynarz> jmynarz has joined #gld 14:59:01 <Zakim> + +1.440.389.aabb 14:59:14 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, aabb is me 14:59:15 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it 14:59:23 <BenediktKaempgen> Zakim, who is there? 14:59:24 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, BenediktKaempgen. 14:59:28 <BenediktKaempgen> Zakim, who is here? 14:59:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.540.898.aaaa, BartvanLeeuwen, ??P8, HadleyBeeman 14:59:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see jmynarz, fadmaa, BenediktKaempgen, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, danbri, bhyland, trackbot, sandro 14:59:46 <HadleyBeeman> bhyland, i'm surprised that adddress isn't released as open data 15:00:19 <PhilA2> PhilA2 has joined #gld 15:00:29 <PhilA2> up the lurkers! 15:00:48 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc 15:00:52 <Zakim> +??P14 15:01:02 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:01:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.540.898.aaaa, BartvanLeeuwen, ??P8, HadleyBeeman, +3539149aacc, ??P14 15:01:12 <bhyland> zakim, aaaa is me 15:01:12 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it 15:01:15 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353 is fadmaa 15:01:15 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it 15:01:18 <BenediktKaempgen> Thanks! 15:01:21 <PhilA> zakim, code? 15:01:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:firstname.lastname@example.org), PhilA 15:01:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:01:36 <PhilA> zakim, IPcaller is me 15:01:36 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it 15:01:42 <olyerickson> olyerickson has joined #gld 15:01:44 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:01:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, ??P8, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, ??P14, PhilA 15:02:05 <Zakim> +Sandro 15:02:13 <bhyland> zakim, ??P8 is BenediktK 15:02:13 <Zakim> +BenediktK; got it 15:02:27 <DaveReynolds_> DaveReynolds_ has joined #GLD 15:02:30 <BenediktKaempgen> Zakim, BenediktK is BenediktKaempgen 15:02:30 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it 15:02:34 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, ??P14, PhilA, Sandro 15:03:27 <bhyland> no, not that I know of Dave 15:03:32 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has joined #GLD 15:03:38 <DaveReynolds_> DaveReynolds_ has left #gld 15:03:42 <bhyland> How are you trying to get in? Web UI? 15:03:51 <fadmaa> scribe:fadmaa 15:03:51 <fadmaa> guest: Dan (danbri) Brickley 15:03:54 <bhyland> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130110 15:04:19 <agipap> agipap has joined #gld 15:05:04 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me 15:05:04 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 15:05:13 <Mike_Pendleton> Mike_Pendleton has joined #gld 15:05:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:05:24 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:05:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa (muted), ??P14, PhilA, Sandro, [IPcaller] 15:05:29 <agipap> zakim, IPcaller is me 15:05:29 <Zakim> +agipap; got it 15:05:42 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton 15:06:03 <fadmaa> PhilA: we might hear news regarding a second chair next week 15:06:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:06:45 <fadmaa> PROPOSAL: accept minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-12-20 15:06:50 <bhyland> +1 15:06:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 15:07:01 <agipap> +1 15:07:07 <Zakim> +??P34 15:07:19 <fadmaa> RESOLUTION: accept the minutes 15:07:24 <olyerickson> zakim, ??P34 is me. 15:07:24 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it 15:07:34 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me. 15:07:34 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted 15:07:35 <bhyland> Topic: RegOrg FPWD 15:07:35 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ 15:07:43 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:07:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa (muted), ??P14, PhilA, Sandro, agipap, Mike_Pendleton, DaveReynolds, olyerickson (muted) 15:08:38 <bhyland> All, please review http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-regorg/ at your convenience this month. 15:08:38 <fadmaa> philA: we hope to get increasing use of the RegOrg ontology 15:09:15 <bhyland> … Netherlands Fire Dept is beginning to use it. 15:09:47 <fadmaa> agipap: started before christmas working on modeling data we have using the core Organisation ontology using RegOrg. expect some results next month 15:09:52 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me 15:09:52 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted 15:10:05 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me 15:10:05 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 15:10:23 <PhilA> It's a pretty simply vocab to be honest ;-) 15:10:26 <bhyland> q? 15:10:58 <fadmaa> bhyland: encourage reviewing ontologies we are working on continuously esp. Org ontology 15:11:37 <bhyland> Bart: Beginning to work RegOrg for local chamber of commerce site. Not being used by official gov't site yet 15:11:48 <fadmaa> BartvanLeeuwen: where should question re. ontology go? 15:11:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me 15:11:55 <fadmaa> PhilA: public comment mailing list 15:12:12 <bhyland> Topic: Quick update on Org Vocab 15:12:23 <bhyland> … by DaveReynolds 15:12:24 <PhilA> The public mailing list for comments on our deliverables is email@example.com 15:12:36 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: we captured issues particularly from provenance group. next step to me is to look at them and propose resolutions 15:14:20 <fadmaa> bhyland: we have lost some people in this working group including Michael Hausenblas 15:14:56 <PhilA> topic: What do individuals want to get out of the WG? 15:15:07 <fadmaa> bhyland: let's see what people like to see things done from our charter in the remaining next 5 months 15:16:00 <fadmaa> agipap: I find the Best practices document very helpful 15:16:43 <fadmaa> agipap: it already helped us in our work and we finished a publication with its help recently 15:17:20 <fadmaa> BartvanLeeuwen: I'd like to see the vocabularies we worked on in practice. I have done some work along this lines 15:17:51 <fadmaa> BartvanLeeuwen: I think the best practice document should come from the results and lessons of putting things (vocabularies) in use 15:18:32 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds 15:19:01 <fadmaa> BenediktKaempgen: Data Cube vocabulary is my focus. it is related to my PhD topic and a number of projects we are working on 15:19:32 <james> james has joined #gld 15:19:34 <Zakim> +??P1 15:19:46 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:19:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa (muted), ??P14, PhilA, Sandro, agipap, Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), DaveReynolds 15:19:50 <fadmaa> BenediktKaempgen: I'd love to see the Data Cube vocabulary as a standard. 15:20:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:20:21 <james> zakim, [IPcaller] is me 15:20:21 <Zakim> +james; got it 15:20:24 <fadmaa> BenediktKaempgen: I sent an email today to the list including usecases for Data Cube vocabulary. Would love to see this published a s note 15:20:37 <fadmaa> s/a s /as a/ 15:21:39 <fadmaa> bhyland: is there a (reference) implementation using Data Cube vocabulary as part of these projects? 15:22:09 <fadmaa> BenediktKaempgen: it is being used in a number of projects and we publish data using it. not sure I call this a reference implementation 15:22:18 <PhilA> q+ 15:23:11 <DaveReynolds> we don't have "nothing" on QB, there are lots of public uses of it already 15:23:37 <fadmaa> bhyland: I encourage you and all to share the work they are doing with the vocabularies even if the work is not perfect (yet) 15:25:32 <bhyland> All - please consider submission to: 15:25:33 <bhyland> European Data Forum 2013 - Call for Contribution 15:25:33 <bhyland> 1. 9-10 April 2013 in Dublin, Ireland. Submissions should be sent via mail to: firstname.lastname@example.org 15:25:33 <bhyland> 2. The deadline for submissions is: 22nd Feb 2013, 02.00pm CET 15:25:33 <bhyland> 3. Details on the Call for Contribution: http://bit.ly/EDF2013-CfC 15:26:28 <PhilA> q- 15:26:31 <fadmaa> bhyland: my focus is to get the best practice document done 15:26:42 <fadmaa> bhyland: hope to have this done in January 15:27:06 <fadmaa> bhyland: would like to see a better version of the community directory 15:27:13 <gatemezi> gatemezi has joined #gld 15:27:16 <sandro> DaveReynolds, is there a list of places of QB? I'm thinking this WG should be tracking such things, if someone else isn't. 15:27:31 <PhilA> Just a nod to BenediktKaempgen that the subject of XBRL keeps coming up at W3C. If we get anywhere near something concrete, I'll let you know. It's been around for years and we keep dancing round each other 15:27:35 <sandro> s/of QB/using QB/ 15:28:18 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: my main interest is on the vocabulary side, particularly Data Cube 15:29:06 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: giving the existing usage and adoption of Data Cube I'd be catious about introducing major changes 15:29:14 <fadmaa> s/catious/cautious/ 15:29:15 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me 15:29:15 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted 15:29:43 <danbri> [aside] re XBRL, I was asked about Financial vocab extensions for schema.org last week ... nothing planned short-term unless there is some interest 15:29:45 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me 15:29:45 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 15:29:57 <sandro> gatemezi ? 15:30:00 <BenediktKaempgen> Thanks, PhilA. Currently, we are again participating in the XBRL challenge. So, great to hear that it also is interesting for W3C. 15:30:02 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:30:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa (muted), ??P14, PhilA, Sandro, agipap, Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), DaveReynolds, james 15:30:03 <fadmaa> fadmaa: mainly dcat and the best practice document 15:30:12 <HadleyBeeman> danbri, how do you define "some interest"? 15:30:12 <sandro> gatemezi, are you on the phone? 15:31:04 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: getting robust vocabularies to help producing interoperable data 15:31:13 <BenediktKaempgen> @sandro: We are collecting datasets reusing QB at: http://wiki.planet-data.eu/web/Datasets Is that what you mean? 15:31:15 <sandro> gatemezi, ahhh. bhyland was calling on you on the phone. :-) 15:31:47 <danbri> HadleyBeeman ... I'm not sure! People who'll do the legwork, I guess. 15:32:01 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: mostly interested in supporting the publication of integrated data and cross datasets links 15:32:26 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: dcat and Org seem to be helpful to this goal along with the best practices 15:33:56 <fadmaa> james: initially ADMS and Org vocabularies attracted me to the WG. I am happy to contribute to their development 15:35:21 <fadmaa> james: I am most on the side of using the vocabularies (development) and can help in reviewing the specifications 15:35:36 <bhyland> … Working with non-profit, citizens to monitor local gov't. 15:36:01 <HadleyBeeman> DanBri: thanks. That helps me get a sense of what you need. 15:36:14 <sandro> BenediktKaempgen, yes, that's exactly what I was asking about, I think..... 15:36:30 <fadmaa> Mike_Pendleton: EPA and other federal agencies would be most interested in the best pratice documents 15:36:43 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me. 15:36:43 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted 15:36:44 <fadmaa> Mike_Pendleton: the glossary and community directory are also very helpful 15:38:00 <fadmaa> olyerickson: the WG has been amazing so far. In the context of best practices, we have identified a number of vocabularies that people can use 15:38:24 <fadmaa> olyerickson: I'd like to see a sustainable artifacts. In the sense that they hold up over time 15:38:38 <bhyland> olyerickson: Researcher/RPI. When we started, we aspired to produce BP for gov't agencies/researchers/companies who want to participate in this ecosystem. In 5 mos., I'd like to see sustainable artifacts that are used by practitioners. 15:39:17 <fadmaa> olyerickson: that can be by providing artifacts that are general to an extent they remain useful but not too general to the extent that makes them useless 15:39:56 <Zakim> -olyerickson 15:39:59 <olyerickson> shoot 15:40:40 <fadmaa> PhilA: Sandro and me are mainly to help facilitate the WG work 15:41:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:41:28 <Zakim> + +2134010aadd 15:41:31 <olyerickson> zaqkim, [ipcaller] is me. 15:41:43 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to seeing the religious wars between linked data and other forms of open data broken down 15:41:44 <olyerickson> zakim, [ipcaller] is me. 15:41:44 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it 15:41:57 <olyerickson> "Chasm..." hmmm 15:42:55 <olyerickson> Curious about this religious war... 15:43:26 <Makx_Dekkers> Makx_Dekkers has joined #gld 15:43:51 <fadmaa> sandro: also mainly to help facilitating the WG functioing and promote the W3C work 15:43:56 <Makx_Dekkers> hi sorry to be late 15:44:30 <fadmaa> sandro: interested in vocabularies and enhancing their standing in getting adopted 15:45:01 <gatemezi> s/functioing/functioning 15:48:00 <fadmaa> Makx_Dekkers: I worked previously on ADMS. for me refining and having the support for ADMS is a success for the WG 15:48:22 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:48:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa (muted), ??P14, PhilA, Sandro, agipap, Mike_Pendleton, DaveReynolds, james, olyerickson, 15:48:25 <Zakim> ... +2134010aadd 15:48:55 <fadmaa> Zakim, aadd is Makx_Dekkers 15:48:55 <Zakim> +Makx_Dekkers; got it 15:49:54 <fadmaa> bhyland: people who are not on the call are encouraged to email the group of their wishes for the deliverables in the next 5 months 15:50:36 <fadmaa> bhyland: so far based on the poll about attending the F2F meeting we have 15-a7 people so far 15:50:49 <fadmaa> TOPIC: second F2F meeting 15:51:07 <bhyland> q? 15:51:12 <BenediktKaempgen> Hoping to come, looking forward to it. 15:51:32 <Makx_Dekkers> planning to be there 15:51:41 <HadleyBeeman> Should be there 15:52:14 <fadmaa> bhyland: giving that the meeting is just a month before the end of our charter, please plan for the meeting and think how 15:52:14 <gatemezi> Should be there 15:52:22 <fadmaa> ... to make use of our time there 15:52:51 <bhyland> Topic: EU Data Forum 2013 15:52:53 <Makx_Dekkers> probably not able to attend the Forum 15:53:06 <bhyland> The big conference for EU open data projects. 15:53:18 <fadmaa> PhilA: European Data Forum 2012 was a success... in this year also there will be a good number of projects, practitioners... I encourage people to go there 15:54:22 <sandro> everyone should double-check https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my 15:54:39 <DaveReynolds> Most issues are listed as "raised" rather than "open" but yes, I know all the ones that affect me :) 15:54:43 <olyerickson> I'm on 15:54:53 <bhyland> @Sandro … is that a no so subtle hint? ;-) 15:55:15 <bhyland> When I look at my tracker, i see 10 items with my name... 15:55:25 <fadmaa> PhilA: danbri mentioned an extension to schema.org about dataset 15:55:42 <bhyland> Topic: Schema.org datasets extent 15:55:43 <PhilA> schema.org Datasets extension, see http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Datasets 15:55:46 <fadmaa> PhilA: it is similar to DCAT and ADMS and it is an important thing to keep an eye on 15:56:02 <bhyland> Per olyerickson, heavily influenced by DCAT 15:56:08 <sandro> q+ 15:56:22 <fadmaa> olyerickson: the Dataset extension to schema.org is heavily influenced by DCAT 15:56:46 <bhyland> … semi-open process, there is transparent process but ultimately search engines make final call 15:57:06 <fadmaa> ... the extension mechanism of schema.org requires showing feasibility and usefulness of the extension before being adopted 15:57:09 <bhyland> … primary work done by Joshua @ RPI 15:57:44 <bhyland> … recommend people in this group monitor the public list for schema.org. 15:57:46 <PhilA> Relevant mailing list is email@example.com 15:57:52 <bhyland> ta 15:58:23 <bhyland> … vendors & gov't data publishers & consumers should all be paying attention to this as it evolves, and contribute! 15:59:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> q? 16:00:49 <fadmaa> sandro: this group is charted to advice the world about consensus regarding what vocabularies peole should use. I'm still concerned about what to recommend DCAT or schema.org extension 16:01:02 <fadmaa> s/peole/people/ 16:01:05 <bhyland> sandro: This group is chartered to reflect the worldwide consensus on what gov't publishers should use to mark up their content 16:01:25 <bhyland> … or ADMS or something else. 16:02:13 <PhilA> q+ 16:02:46 <bhyland> WG members options that gov publishers should use — it shouldn't be exclusive, rather inclusive. Discussed RDFa Lite v1.1 to decorate their pages … 16:02:50 <Zakim> -Makx_Dekkers 16:02:59 <fadmaa> olyerickson: I think people should use DCAT to publish their catalogs. they also need to use light RDFa to annotate their web pages. Using schema.org allows major search engines to index the structured data embedded 16:03:09 <bhyland> ping - we're outta' time 16:03:18 <PhilA> q- 16:03:22 <sandro> q- 16:03:29 <fadmaa> olyerickson: the techniques are not exclusive in my opinion 16:04:13 <DaveReynolds> +1 to Sandro's comments, group will eventually have to give clear advice and there is an apparent conflict here 16:04:18 <olyerickson> "RDFa Lite" 16:04:18 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton 16:04:19 <Zakim> -??P14 16:04:23 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has left #gld 16:04:24 <olyerickson> Thanks everyone 16:04:24 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me 16:04:26 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted 16:04:26 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman 16:04:26 <Zakim> -james 16:04:27 <Zakim> -PhilA 16:04:29 <BenediktKaempgen> Thanks bhyland! 16:04:30 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds 16:04:30 <Zakim> -olyerickson 16:04:32 <PhilA> PhilA has left #gld 16:04:32 <Zakim> -Sandro 16:04:33 <olyerickson> olyerickson has left #gld 16:04:34 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen 16:04:35 <Zakim> + +3858965aaee 16:04:40 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen 16:04:44 <Zakim> -fadmaa 16:04:45 <Zakim> -bhyland 16:04:46 <Zakim> -agipap 16:04:53 <bhyland> Thanks everyone 16:04:54 <agipap> agipap has left #gld 16:05:13 <Makx> Makx has joined #gld 16:05:55 <bhyland> rrsagent, set logs world-visible 16:06:02 <bhyland> rrsagent, generate minutes 16:06:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-gld-minutes.html bhyland 16:06:26 <bhyland> @Fadmaa - over to you now to publish. If you have any questions, please ask. 16:06:30 <bhyland> Thank you for scribing! 16:08:12 <fadmaa> rrsagent, generate minutes 16:08:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-gld-minutes.html fadmaa 16:11:37 <gatemezi> gatemezi has left #gld 16:12:16 <bhyland> Thank you Fadi, looks good # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000286