Chatlog 2012-10-11

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14:00:06 <PhilA2> zakim, code?
14:00:06 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA2, I don't know what conference this is
14:00:11 <PhilA2> zakim, this is gld
14:00:11 <Zakim> ok, PhilA2; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM
14:00:13 <PhilA2> zakim, code?
14:00:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2
14:00:48 <Zakim> +??P30
14:00:56 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P30 is me
14:01:03 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it
14:01:14 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaaa
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14:01:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:02:37 <agis> zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
14:02:38 <Zakim> sorry, agis, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
14:03:07 <PhilA2> zakim, IPcaller is agis
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14:03:10 <Zakim> +agis; got it
14:03:11 <cygri> zakim, ??P42 is me
14:03:12 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
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14:03:54 <Zakim> +??P44
14:03:58 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?
14:03:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see DeirdreLee, PhilA2, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, agis, cygri, +1.757.604.aabb, ??P44
14:04:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see martinAlvarez, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA2, DaveReynolds, gatemezi, Gofran, BartvanLeeuwen, james, agis, MacTed, cygri, trackbot, sandro
14:04:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p44 is me
14:04:03 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
14:04:20 <Zakim> +??P48
14:04:27 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??P48 is me
14:04:27 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez; got it
14:04:43 <martinAlvarez> zakim, mute me
14:04:44 <Zakim> martinAlvarez should now be muted
14:05:16 <james> i'll be following in IRC. can't join call today
14:05:17 <gatemezi> Chair: PhilA2
14:05:22 <gatemezi> Scribe: gatemezi
14:05:28 <Zakim> - +1.757.604.aabb
14:05:43 <gatemezi> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121011
14:06:30 <gatemezi> PhilA2: we can take a look at ORG from the last call..
14:06:46 <gatemezi> ...try to take a resolution on it? Dave R?
14:06:55 <gatemezi> Topic: ORG
14:07:13 <DaveReynolds> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/org/static.html
14:07:17 <PhilA2> Current draft of ORG is at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/org/static.html
14:07:39 <cygri> for the record, i'm happy with the updated version going to LC
14:07:43 <gatemezi> Dave: we asked poeple to review it 2 weeks back, so far we are adressing cygri review
14:07:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
14:07:54 <gatemezi> ...and try to go and take to a vote..
14:08:01 <PhilA2> ack BartvanLeeuwen
14:08:12 <gatemezi> ..Waiting for Bart and Michael review
14:08:56 <gatemezi> Bart: The all process of going through the doc is not easy for hhim.They are trying to express "chains" to use ORG..
14:09:05 <gatemezi> ...he is happy as it is..
14:09:38 <gatemezi> ...for Bart it could be great to push it for LC
14:10:02 <sandro> (sorry, previous meeting is running late.....   I'll join soon, I hope.)
14:10:32 <BartvanLeeuwen> can we do it without chair today ?
14:10:37 <gatemezi> PhilA2: suggest to propose to take a vote to ORG for the chance for Last Call
14:10:49 <gatemezi> ..next week
14:10:56 <gatemezi> +1
14:10:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for next week
14:12:31 <PhilA2> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The WG will take a vote on next week's call on whether to take ORG to Last Call. Reviews are strongly encouraged before then.
14:12:43 <PhilA2> scribe: gatemezi
14:12:50 <DaveReynolds> +1
14:12:52 <PhilA2> scribeNick: gatemezi
14:12:59 <gatemezi> +1
14:13:03 <gatemezi> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The WG will take a vote on next week's call on whether to take ORG to Last Call. Reviews are strongly encouraged before then.
14:13:04 <PhilA2> +1
14:13:10 <cygri> +1
14:13:16 <Gofran> +1
14:13:19 <gatemezi> +1
14:13:47 <gatemezi> RESOLVED: The WG will take a vote on next week's call on whether to take ORG to Last Call. Reviews are strongly encouraged before then.
14:14:26 <gatemezi> Topic: DCAT
14:15:20 <gatemezi> PhilA2: Is Faadi available to talk about DCAT?
14:15:47 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
14:16:04 <PhilA2> gatemezi: It would be good to make use of the Fr and ES folk in the group to produce localised labels for DCAT
14:16:05 <martinAlvarez> I'll translate it into Spanish
14:16:09 <PhilA2> ack BartvanLeeuwen
14:16:35 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:16:45 <Gofran> Sorry Fadi is stuck in another meeting
14:16:46 <DaveReynolds> q+
14:16:55 <PhilA2> ack DaveReynolds
14:17:13 <cygri> q+
14:17:17 <PhilA2> ack cygri
14:17:26 <sandro> +1 DaveReynolds the TR can be translated
14:17:37 <gatemezi> cygri: 2 things to consider: he spec and the rdf schema
14:18:00 <gatemezi> ...for the document itself, there is a process for that at W3C
14:18:01 <Zakim> -cygri
14:18:19 <PhilA2> RDF Primer trabslations http://www.w3.org/2003/03/Translations/byTechnology?technology=rdf-primer
14:18:25 <gatemezi> s/he/the
14:18:37 <gatemezi> s/trabslations/translations
14:19:00 <martinAlvarez> zakim, unmute me
14:19:00 <Zakim> martinAlvarez should no longer be muted
14:19:04 <martinAlvarez> +q
14:19:13 <PhilA2> ack martinAlvarez
14:19:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
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14:19:34 <Zakim> +??P0
14:19:36 <PhilA2> ack BartvanLeeuwen
14:19:37 <cygri> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:19:37 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
14:19:41 <gatemezi> martinAlvarez: they are in charge of reviewing the spec in other languages 
14:19:42 <martinAlvarez> zakim, mute me
14:19:42 <Zakim> martinAlvarez should now be muted
14:19:53 <sandro> martinAlvarez: the W3C Offices check the translations
14:20:05 <sandro> sandro: Ah, great, of course.
14:20:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:20:33 <sandro> PhilA2: Localized language elements can be added to any schema at any time
14:20:45 <DaveReynolds> which reminds me, the changes to org means that the FR translation of literals is no longer complete
14:20:47 <Yigal> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:20:47 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it
14:21:15 <gatemezi> PhilA2: we can add localized labels to the vocabs later on
14:21:46 <PhilA2> Raised issues on DCAT etc. http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/raised
14:22:46 <gatemezi> cygri: has discussed with Faadi about DCAT, and he is the person to follow up the work when he is available
14:23:02 <gatemezi> Topic: EU report
14:24:20 <gatemezi> PhilA2: The EU Commission received positively the work of LE vocab, and  they are promoting some other vocabs
14:25:40 <gatemezi> ...The good news is to spread the ORG ontology all over the EU nation
14:26:08 <gatemezi> ..just waiting to see the american side to also use the vocab as well..
14:26:21 <gatemezi> zakim, who is here?
14:26:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see DeirdreLee, PhilA2, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, agis, BartvanLeeuwen, martinAlvarez (muted), Sandro, cygri, Yigal
14:26:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see Yigal, martinAlvarez, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA2, DaveReynolds, gatemezi, Gofran, BartvanLeeuwen, james, agis, MacTed, cygri, trackbot, sandro
14:27:13 <gatemezi> PhilA2: EU Commission was not happy for the new name we chose for the vocab, changing "Business vocab" to "Legal Entity"
14:27:34 <DaveReynolds> q+
14:27:38 <PhilA2> ack DaveReynolds
14:27:56 <gatemezi> ...suggestion is to use "Registration Entity" vocab
14:28:27 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aacc
14:28:32 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds: what about the names of the vocab?
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14:29:37 <gatemezi> sandro: we likely  to be sure to use a common term also for non european country..
14:30:25 <gatemezi> s/Registration Entity/ Registrated Company
14:32:06 <gatemezi> PhilA2: The EU Commission is not able to register for a W3C WG...
14:32:43 <gatemezi> zakim, who is speaking?
14:32:48 <PhilA2> agis: 
14:32:53 <Zakim> gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: PhilA2 (5%), gatemezi (19%), agis (80%)
14:33:42 <gatemezi> agis: we are starting to use ORG vocab, extending sth like "Physical Entity", because some of  them don't have legal status and call them "Legal regristry"
14:34:13 <gatemezi> ..they also made a different flavours according to the Greece domain
14:34:41 <gatemezi> ...and they think sth general like the LE vocab
14:34:48 <Zakim> -cygri
14:35:02 <Zakim> +??P0
14:35:05 <cygri> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:35:05 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
14:35:52 <DaveReynolds> +1 to PhilA - org:Organization is about as general as you can get. Sounds like the work is an ORG PROFILE in the sense of the ORG conformance section
14:35:56 <sandro> (as an example of a non-profit)
14:36:09 <Biplav> Have we considered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_entity? It has a nice set of definitions around the world.
14:36:15 <gatemezi> agis: will prepare in a couple of weeks a small dataset on how they modelled their domain
14:36:54 <agis> publicspending.gr
14:37:39 <gatemezi> agis: prensents himself as a researcher in Greece working on the publicspending.gr project
14:38:18 <gatemezi> ..and provided a Greek version of "where my money goes"...
14:38:51 <cygri> q+
14:38:57 <PhilA2> ack cygri
14:39:36 <sandro> Yeah, Biplav -- I think this vocab is just meant to include instances of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation
14:40:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:40:21 <james> zakim, IPCaller is me
14:40:21 <Zakim> +james; got it
14:40:23 <gatemezi> cygri: will be happy to help agis to upload their dataset in thedatahub
14:41:44 <gatemezi> agis: the govnt has been supportive but is cautious about the project
14:43:41 <gatemezi> PhilaA2: Italy is also facing the same issue as in Greece re releasing dataset in LD
14:44:07 <gatemezi> Topic: ADMS
14:44:31 <PhilA2> Current ed draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/adms/index.html
14:45:07 <gatemezi> PhilA2: We haave a new version of the document http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/adms/index.html
14:45:55 <gatemezi> Gofran: ADMS is a  vocab to describe any ressource in a widely context, also ontologies, etc..
14:46:44 <gatemezi> ...ADMS describes metadata of metadata resources within govnt ..it is different from DCAT, because describe metadata on top of that
14:47:38 <gatemezi> PhilA2: we need to have the WG approval, and need a couple of time to review the vocab
14:48:06 <gatemezi> @Gofran: Is ADMS used in neologism? 
14:48:50 <gatemezi> Gofran: ADMS is supported in the new version of Neologism ...
14:49:00 <cygri> http://vocab.deri.ie/neologism/adms
14:49:13 <PhilA2> The use of RADion http://www.w3.org/ns/radion
14:49:18 <gatemezi> Neologism http://neologism.deri.ie/
14:49:42 <gatemezi> Topic: RADion 
14:49:47 <gatemezi> URL http://www.w3.org/ns/radion
14:50:27 <Zakim> -cygri
14:50:43 <Zakim> +??P0
14:50:49 <cygri> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:50:50 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
14:50:52 <gatemezi> Topic: Google hangout
14:51:32 <gatemezi> PhilA2: this could be beneficial, that could start earlier in the morning for east cost US, lunch time in Europe..and so on
14:51:36 <james> +1 hangout
14:51:39 <cygri> +1 good idea
14:51:45 <Gofran> +1
14:51:46 <agis> +1
14:51:47 <DaveReynolds> I'm not on G+ 
14:51:55 <martinAlvarez> +1
14:52:09 <gatemezi> ..When could it be? 
14:52:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> keep iswc in mind as well
14:52:33 <sandro> Thanksgiving Day is on Thursday, November 22, 2012.
14:52:34 <Yigal> November 22
14:52:55 <BartvanLeeuwen> 10-16
14:53:42 <Gofran> risk of travel
14:53:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for the 8th
14:53:51 <james> +1
14:53:56 <agis> +1 for the 8th
14:53:59 <gatemezi> PhilA2: 8th November?
14:54:04 <gatemezi> +1
14:54:04 <PhilA2> PROPOSAL: Google Hangout on Thursday 8th of November?
14:54:11 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
14:54:15 <sandro> +1
14:54:27 <martinAlvarez> +1
14:54:31 <cygri> not ideal for me. can only listen in with one ear
14:55:09 <sandro> sandro: suggesting using Zakim for audio, so people can participate without G+
14:55:18 <DaveReynolds> I may be able to join by phone, not hangout
14:55:56 <cygri> make a doodle for 8 nov, 29 nov, and 6 dec?
14:56:20 <gatemezi> PROPOSAL: make a doodle for 8 nov, 29 nov and 6 dec
14:56:55 <gatemezi> ACTION: to PhilA2 make a doodle for 8 nov, 29 nov and 6 dec
14:56:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - PhilA2 make a doodle for 8 nov, 29 nov and 6 dec [on Tope Omitola - due 2012-10-18].
14:57:11 <gatemezi> zakim, who is here?
14:57:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see DeirdreLee, PhilA2, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, agis, BartvanLeeuwen, martinAlvarez (muted), Sandro, Yigal, +91.80.67.84.aacc, james, cygri
14:57:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Biplav, Yigal, martinAlvarez, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA2, DaveReynolds, gatemezi, Gofran, BartvanLeeuwen, james, agis, MacTed, cygri, trackbot, sandro
14:57:25 <Biplav> zakim, +91.80.67.84.aacc is me
14:57:25 <Zakim> +Biplav; got it
14:57:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx PhilA2 
14:57:30 <DaveReynolds> bye
14:57:30 <Zakim> -james
14:57:32 <martinAlvarez> Thanks, bye
14:57:34 <Zakim> -Sandro
14:57:34 <Biplav> thanks
14:57:35 <Zakim> -Yigal
14:57:39 <Zakim> -cygri
14:57:39 <Yigal> Yigal has left #gld
14:57:41 <Gofran> bye
14:57:43 <Zakim> -martinAlvarez
14:57:43 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has left #gld
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14:57:45 <martinAlvarez> martinAlvarez has left #gld
14:57:47 <PhilA2> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:57:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-gld-minutes.html PhilA2
14:57:49 <Zakim> -agis
14:57:53 <Zakim> -DeirdreLee
14:57:53 <gatemezi> ACTION: PhilA2 to make a doodle for 8 nov, 29 nov and 6 dec
14:57:53 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find PhilA2. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>.
14:58:23 <cygri> ACTION-81?
14:58:27 <trackbot> ACTION-81 -- Tope Omitola to philA2 make a doodle for 8 nov, 29 nov and 6 dec -- due 2012-10-18 -- OPEN
14:58:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/81
14:58:37 <Zakim> -Biplav
14:58:37 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
14:58:50 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, generate minutes
14:58:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-gld-minutes.html gatemezi
14:58:51 <cygri> gatemezi, i'll edit the action to assign it to phil. trackbot assigned it to you :-)
14:59:27 <cygri> ACTION-81?
14:59:27 <trackbot> ACTION-81 -- Phil Archer to make a doodle for 8 nov, 29 nov and 6 dec (re Google hangout) -- due 2012-10-18 -- OPEN
14:59:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/81
15:01:36 <Zakim> -gatemezi
15:03:00 <agis> agis has left #gld
15:07:40 <Zakim> -PhilA2
15:07:42 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
15:07:43 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended
15:07:43 <Zakim> Attendees were DeirdreLee, PhilA2, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, agis, cygri, +1.757.604.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, martinAlvarez, Sandro, Yigal, james, Biplav
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