Chatlog 2012-08-30

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14:03:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
14:03:42 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
14:03:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:03:43 <trackbot> Date: 30 August 2012
14:04:03 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aacc
14:04:13 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-08-23
14:04:29 <Bhyland> +1
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14:05:07 <olyerickson> Zakim, ??P43 is me.
14:05:07 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
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14:05:16 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P45 is me
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14:05:39 <BenediktKaempgen> Meeting: GLD-WG telecon 30 August 2012 
14:05:58 <BenediktKaempgen> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120830
14:06:13 <BenediktKaempgen> Scribe: BenediktKaempgen
14:06:29 <BenediktKaempgen> Chair: bhyland
14:06:29 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: Accepting minutes
14:07:19 <BenediktKaempgen> Minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-08-23
14:07:32 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for the minutes
14:07:32 <olyerickson> +1 to accept minutes...
14:07:45 <gatemezi> +1 
14:07:42 <BenediktKaempgen> Minutes accepted
14:08:24 <Bhyland> q?
14:08:51 <DruidSmith> Zakim, aaaa is EPAConfRoom
14:08:51 <Zakim> +EPAConfRoom; got it
14:09:16 <DruidSmith> Zakim, EPAConfRoom has Bhyland, MikePendleton, DruidSmith
14:09:16 <DruidSmith> zakim, EPAConfRoom is DruidSmith
14:09:16 <Zakim> +Bhyland, MikePendleton, DruidSmith; got it
14:09:16 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: Finish up last week's discussion on "fundamental issues related to the basics of LOD in the eyes of an experienced enterprise IT manager" 
14:09:18 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: need to organise after summer break. We are behind in schedule. Need to address that.
14:09:39 <BenediktKaempgen> ... yet to determine whether to extend the working group
14:10:43 <BenediktKaempgen> ... we do not want to drift from the charter, but we need more participation and for that may be flexible.
14:11:41 <BenediktKaempgen> ...  way to describe Linked Data should have advanced since three years ago, but apparently it hasn't, at least not in industry
14:11:55 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
14:12:01 <HadleyBeeman> q+
14:12:08 <BenediktKaempgen> ... how do we stay within our charter, how can we motivate people to contribute
14:12:57 <BenediktKaempgen> BartvanLeeuwen: Problem is that depending on country there is a different view on Open Data. E.g., Netherlands it has (positively) changed in only a couple of months.
14:13:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
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14:14:18 <BenediktKaempgen> HadleyBeeman: UK Linked Data Working Group has started
14:14:43 <Zakim> +??P52
14:14:52 <BenediktKaempgen> ... will work on similar topics than W3C Government LD WG
14:14:52 <Yigal> zakim, ??P52 is me
14:14:52 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it
14:15:09 <Bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
14:15:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, EPAConfRoom, HadleyBeeman, BenediktKaempgen, [IPcaller], DeirdreLee, +1.757.604.aabb, +91.80.67.84.aacc, gatemezi, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, Yigal
14:15:13 <Zakim> EPAConfRoom has Bhyland, MikePendleton, DruidSmith
14:15:26 <BenediktKaempgen> ... e.g., regarding glossary
14:16:18 <BenediktKaempgen> ... core people are John Sheridan, Dave Reynolds, Ani Tennison
14:16:26 <DaveReynolds> s/Ani/Jeni
14:16:30 <DaveReynolds> s/Ani/Jeni/
14:16:57 <HadleyBeeman> BenediktKaempgen, the UK gov linked data working group is doing the country-specific vocab and standards work for us in the UK.
14:17:03 <BenediktKaempgen> ... a liaison with W3C GLD is possible
14:17:43 <Yigal> q+
14:17:50 <Yigal> Q-
14:17:54 <Yigal> q?
14:17:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack hadley
14:18:00 <olyerickson> ack HadleyBeeman
14:18:07 <olyerickson> ack sandro
14:18:08 <HadleyBeeman> Among other things, the UKgovLD group will be looking after data.gov.uk/linked-data and will want to point to/build on this group's resources
14:18:08 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds: clarified the the UKGovLD group is a UK specific initiative, created as a result of UK White Paper on open data. It is currently a small seed group intended to create a community of practice. 
14:18:08 <BenediktKaempgen> Dave: community of practice of England, Scotland, Wales developing currently
14:18:38 <BenediktKaempgen> Sandro: wondering whether 5-star-scheme still relevant or would need extension
14:19:09 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to explaining, practically, what each star accomplishes (in practice)
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14:20:31 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: do not see that we were alienating people with that scheme. 
14:20:48 <Bhyland> Sandro: Develop a gov 5 star diagram & support with use cases & benefit statements to better understand it.
14:21:02 <BenediktKaempgen> Sandro: Apparently, there is no proof that 4-5-star would bring extra benefits to industry
14:21:15 <Bhyland> ... Explain why you want 4 & 5 star data, be rationale & not judgemental
14:21:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
14:21:32 <BenediktKaempgen> ... do 4-5-star simply because it's "cool" will not be enough
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14:21:49 <olyerickson> "Be rational, not judgmental..."
14:23:07 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: to stitch together data silos, there still is no better way than the Linked Data architecture
14:24:28 <Bhyland> q?
14:25:33 <DaveReynolds> q+
14:25:37 <BenediktKaempgen> BartvanLeeuwen: currently, there is no killer-app for 4-5-star LD
14:25:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
14:25:41 <Bhyland> Bart: 3 star can readily be converted to 4 and 5 star
14:25:59 <Biplav> q+
14:27:09 <DaveReynolds> ack me
14:27:14 <BenediktKaempgen> DaveReynolds: Aim of the WG should be not only to push people forward to publish Open Data, but also to do it with the Linked Data principles.
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14:28:08 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: people still do not have enough information to do the publishing of Open Data the Linked Data way
14:28:34 <BenediktKaempgen> ... people cannot evaluate benefits between solutions
14:29:21 <olyerickson> +1 Bhyland
14:29:53 <BenediktKaempgen> ... we should make it easier for public agencies to publish their data and to participate in this WG
14:30:32 <BenediktKaempgen> ... they all publish using JSON. We should leverage our connections to get more people involved.
14:30:34 <DaveReynolds> Very few of the Semantic Web/Linked Data vendors participate in the WG, let alone other data platform vendors.
14:31:50 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
14:31:55 <DruidSmith> json-ld reference: http://json-ld.org/
14:32:13 <Bhyland> q?
14:32:13 <BenediktKaempgen> Subtopic: Trying out new channels for reaching people
14:33:02 <gatemezi> What about having an event like Google hangout where we could invite at least all the providers /compagnies we work with to talk about their problems? Just after releasing our last doc?
14:33:21 <Bhyland> ack Biplav
14:33:49 <Bhyland> Linked Data for data integration use cases, eg., traffic, environmental data
14:34:19 <Bhyland> Biplav: Take LD message to CIOs ...
14:34:34 <Bhyland> ... mentioned governing.com 
14:35:20 <Zakim> -gatemezi
14:35:31 <BenediktKaempgen> MikePendleton: If we could frame Linked Data in the context of Big Data, that would help
14:35:51 <Bhyland> MikePendleton: LD should be framed in context of Big Data that has everyone abuzz in US
14:36:12 <Bhyland> Biplav: Lack of decision making is more prevalent issue in some countries
14:36:37 <BenediktKaempgen> Biplav: social web is another important area
14:37:32 <Bhyland> It seems we are describing two 'tracks' in this WG, one is use cases & best practices; the other is technical guidance on 'how to' including core vocabularies & checklist for discerning quality vocabs
14:38:03 <olyerickson> we're here
14:38:15 <Zakim> +gatemezi
14:39:27 <BenediktKaempgen> gatemezi: using Google hangout we could get more people involved, e.g., project partners. We could also discuss more technical issues.
14:39:50 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: anyone active in Google+? 
14:39:53 <Biplav> Here are some govt / IT fora: a.	Government Technology ( http://www.govtech.com/ ) b.	Public Technology Institute (… http://www.pti.org/) c.	Governing.com (http://www.governing.com/) 
14:39:53 <olyerickson> what does active mean? 
14:40:09 <BenediktKaempgen> ... we could also use other channels.
14:40:43 <Bhyland> Michael Hausenblas recommended a google+ hangout ... we all think it is a good idea.
14:40:54 <BenediktKaempgen> +q
14:41:04 <DeirdreLee_> +q
14:42:35 <DeirdreLee_> I can follow up with Michael on the hangout idea
14:43:47 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: for first last call  of vocabularies, it would be good to use one of such other channels
14:44:06 <olyerickson> q+
14:43:56 <BenediktKaempgen> DeirdreLee: proposing google hangout for a given event such as People Vocab goes to (first) LC
14:44:14 <Bhyland> @DeirdreLee, ok, I understand the proposal for a google hangout for a given event such as People Vocab goes to (first) LC
14:44:14 <gatemezi> +1 to Sandro point
14:44:14 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: will try to be on google hangout at the next GLD meeting
14:44:19 <olyerickson> @sandro, I can help 
14:44:28 <gatemezi> q/Sandro/sandro
14:44:51 <BenediktKaempgen> s/meeting/telco
14:44:59 <Bhyland> q?
14:45:10 <olyerickson> q-
14:45:22 <Bhyland> ack BenediktKaempgen
14:45:39 <Zakim> -olyerickson
14:46:37 <BenediktKaempgen> Benedikt: google hangout also was suggested for having regular open discussions with external people, e.g., public bodies, people from industry, technical staff
14:46:39 <Bhyland> ack DeirdreLee_
14:46:45 <Zakim> +??P3
14:46:48 <Bhyland> q?
14:46:56 <olyerickson> zakim, ??p3 is me.
14:46:56 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
14:47:20 <BenediktKaempgen> Deirdre Lee: Will follow up on the channel issue with mhausenblas, richard, faadi
14:48:16 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: Status of deliverables
14:48:16 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: status regarding open deliverables?
14:50:04 <Bhyland> Topic: Announcements
14:50:04 <Bhyland> Regarding announcements. If events are over, it would be helpful to get pointers to interesting content.
14:48:50 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: any announcements?
14:50:04 <Bhyland> Subtopic: TPAC
14:49:36 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: TPAC is happending. 30-45minutes discussion on Government Linked Data. If someone has content, please contact bhyland or sandro.
14:50:16 <Bhyland> ... Wednesday is the more open conference format
14:50:38 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: was on last TPAC with new open format. 
14:51:03 <BenediktKaempgen> ... if you are willing to lead a discussion you can announce that on a board.
14:51:51 <Bhyland> ... Write down session name & proposed agenda, conference organizers help coordinate/facilitate
14:52:15 <Bhyland> ... Live lobbying for a breakout.  Agenda gets posted in R/T to Web.
14:52:33 <BenediktKaempgen> ... agenda gets posted live to TPAC website. After agenda is set, it happens like in a normal conference.
14:52:45 <DruidSmith> Unconference format - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference - ad-hoc, sessions can be submitted
14:52:59 <Bhyland> Sandro: Concerns came in around prep'ing for sessions.  If you prep for a session, maybe you don't get selected ...
14:53:20 <Bhyland> Olyerickson: Be prepared & be prepared to lead it. Have materials in advance.
14:53:26 <BenediktKaempgen> ... of course you should only propose if you can lead it and if you have content for it.
14:53:36 <Bhyland> q?
14:54:25 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: if we get input from the WG, we are happy to propose a topic.
14:54:57 <BenediktKaempgen> ... e.g., some bullet points from Dave would be terrific.
14:55:19 <BenediktKaempgen> Dave: What would be the time scale?
14:55:57 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: will get in contact with Dave and Hadley. Pointers would also be useful.
14:55:58 <Bhyland> q?
14:56:08 <olyerickson> Bhyland:  I can help review those slides and provide feedback
14:56:08 <Bhyland> Topic: Upcoming Meeting Agenda Planning
14:56:23 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: community directory will be topic for next weekly telco.
14:56:27 <olyerickson> * also help with recruitment ideas
14:56:28 <Biplav> q+
14:56:36 <BenediktKaempgen> ... goals will be discussed. People can speak about directories that work well.
14:57:02 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: Status of feedback for cummunity directory?
14:57:22 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: google tracker was setup and all feedback was put in there.
14:57:40 <BenediktKaempgen> ... takes ACTION to check whether feedback got in there. 
14:57:54 <BenediktKaempgen> ... however, nothing major has happened.
14:58:07 <Zakim> -olyerickson
14:58:53 <Bhyland> q?
14:59:03 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
14:59:04 <Zakim> -Sandro
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14:59:04 <Zakim> -DeirdreLee
14:59:06 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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14:59:12 <Bhyland> @Benedikt, are you OK to publish minutes?
14:59:13 <Zakim> -Yigal
14:59:14 <Zakim> - +1.757.604.aabb
14:59:16 <Bhyland> Thanks all!@
14:59:21 <BenediktKaempgen> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 
14:59:31 <BenediktKaempgen> RRSAgent, generate minutes 
14:59:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-gld-minutes.html BenediktKaempgen
14:59:36 <Zakim> - +91.80.67.84.aacc
14:59:42 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen
14:59:44 <Bhyland> Awesome, thanks again for scribing Benedikt!
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15:00:13 <BenediktKaempgen> no problem
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