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15:03:19 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #gld 15:03:19 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-irc 15:03:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 15:03:21 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #gld 15:03:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD 15:03:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 15:03:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 15:03:24 <trackbot> Date: 02 February 2012 15:03:38 <csarven> csarven has joined #gld 15:03:39 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone? 15:03:41 <Zakim> + +3539149aaee 15:03:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, Sandro, ??P26, [LC], +3539149aacc, +1.202.691.aadd, ??P14, +3539149aaee 15:03:57 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me 15:03:57 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it 15:03:57 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaee is me 15:03:58 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it 15:04:01 <fadi> zakim, +35391 is me 15:04:04 <Zakim> +fadi; got it 15:04:11 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is Mike_P 15:04:12 <Zakim> + +34.91.336.aaff 15:04:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:04:19 <Zakim> +Mike_P; got it 15:04:24 <boris> zakim, aaff is boris 15:04:28 <Zakim> +boris; got it 15:04:33 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aadd is DanG 15:04:36 <Zakim> +DanG; got it 15:04:44 <Zakim> +Sandro.a 15:04:46 <BenediktKaempgen> \me also connected through skype 15:04:50 <Zakim> -Sandro 15:05:14 <Zakim> -[IPcaller] 15:05:31 <olyerickson> Zakim, I am IPCaller 15:05:31 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I do not see a party named 'IPCaller' 15:05:44 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone? 15:05:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see George_Thomas, Mike_P, ??P26, tinagheen, fadi, DanG, ??P14, mhausenblas, boris, Sandro 15:05:53 <mhausenblas> Zakim, BenediktKaempgen is with me 15:05:53 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it 15:06:27 <csarven> Zakim, I'm with mhausenblas 15:06:27 <Zakim> +csarven; got it 15:06:45 <Zakim> +??P53 15:06:57 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute ??P26 15:06:57 <Zakim> ??P26 should now be muted 15:07:17 <mhausenblas> Zakim, ??P14 is olyerickson 15:07:17 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it 15:07:23 <mhausenblas> Zakim, unmute ??P26 15:07:23 <Zakim> ??P26 should no longer be muted 15:07:44 <dvilasuero> dvilasuero has joined #gld 15:07:47 <fadi> zakim, mut eme 15:07:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mut eme', fadi 15:07:53 <fadi> zakim, mute me 15:07:53 <Zakim> fadi should now be muted 15:07:54 <DeirdreLee> mhausenblas, I must be P26 or 53 15:07:57 <Yigal> Yigal has joined #gld 15:07:59 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120202 15:08:07 <olyerickson> zakim mute me 15:08:09 <mhausenblas> Chair: George 15:08:13 <dvilasuero> zakim, dvilasuero is with boris 15:08:13 <Zakim> +dvilasuero; got it 15:08:14 <Mike_P> can folks mute their phones 15:08:14 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas 15:08:23 <BenediktKaempgen> BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld 15:08:24 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute ??P53 15:08:24 <Zakim> ??P53 should now be muted 15:08:29 <cgueret> Zakim I'm on the phone too 15:08:47 <George> PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish 'Terms for describing people' in the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 15:09:00 <mhausenblas> Topic: FPWD 15:09:18 <Zakim> + +1.218.296.aagg 15:09:18 <mhausenblas> Michael: available via https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/people/index.html 15:09:25 <rreck> rreck 15:09:29 <rreck> i just joined 15:09:30 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aagg is rreck 15:09:30 <Zakim> +rreck; got it 15:09:35 <olyerickson> I looked at the draft/proposal; very good! 15:09:44 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aahh 15:10:08 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aahh is gatemezi 15:10:08 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it 15:10:34 <olyerickson> I thought mhausenblas' "Terms for describing people" a good step forward 15:10:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 15:10:59 <mhausenblas> Michael: Tried to focus on UC to determine scope and then we can figure what is in scope 15:11:00 <mhausenblas> q? 15:11:08 <olyerickson> q+ 15:11:13 <olyerickson> zakim unmute me. 15:11:14 <mhausenblas> ack olyerickson 15:11:34 <mhausenblas> olyerickson: good start, Michael, UC help 15:11:41 <cgueret> +1 15:11:43 <mhausenblas> George: agreed 15:11:48 <cgueret> fantastic :) 15:11:51 <olyerickson> zakim mute me. 15:11:54 <dvilasuero> great job mhausenblas 15:11:56 <dvilasuero> +1 15:11:56 <Zakim> +??P58 15:11:57 <olyerickson> +1 to proposal 15:12:04 <George> +1 to proposal 15:12:06 <boris> +1 15:12:10 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P58 is me 15:12:10 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 15:12:11 <dvilasuero> +1 to proposal 15:12:40 <sandro> +1 15:12:59 <BenediktKaempgen> +q 15:12:59 <BenediktKaempgen> q+ 15:13:08 <Zakim> + +1.323.683.aaii 15:13:19 <gatemezi> q? 15:13:25 <mhausenblas> q? 15:13:32 <Yigal> zakim aaii is me 15:13:54 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaii is Yigal 15:13:54 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it 15:13:59 <csarven> +1 15:14:15 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: The GLD WG decides to publish 'Terms for describing people' in the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 15:14:26 <olyerickson> Everything we're doing is currently "subject to revision" 15:14:50 <mhausenblas> Topic: People UC 15:15:00 <mhausenblas> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/people/index.html 15:15:46 <Bsrivast> Bsrivast has joined #gld 15:16:23 <Biplav> Biplav has joined #gld 15:16:27 <cygri> zakim, code? 15:16:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri 15:16:39 <olyerickson> Comment: These are use cases appropriate to our government context 15:16:44 <Zakim> +??P61 15:16:48 <cgueret> +q 15:16:49 <mhausenblas> Michael: Tried to identify UC from real-world apps or datasets 15:16:53 <cygri> zakim, ??P61 is me 15:16:53 <Zakim> +cygri; got it 15:17:12 <mhausenblas> Michael: Tried to derive requirements from it 15:17:15 <cgueret> -q 15:17:20 <mhausenblas> ack BenediktKaempgen 15:17:24 <cgueret> ack me 15:17:25 <mhausenblas> BenediktKaempgen: where to contribute 15:17:27 <mhausenblas> Michael: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Terms_for_describing_people 15:18:11 <mhausenblas> q? 15:18:15 <Zakim> +??P0 15:18:18 <olyerickson> what happened? 15:18:23 <cygri> zakim, P0 is me 15:18:23 <Zakim> sorry, cygri, I do not recognize a party named 'P0' 15:18:25 <Zakim> -Yigal 15:18:32 <cygri> zakim, ??P0 is me 15:18:32 <Zakim> +cygri; got it 15:18:46 <sandro> cygri, you brought a loud tone with you. 15:18:50 <Zakim> +Yigal 15:19:06 <cygri> sorry. my voip thingy crashed. hope it didn't take zakim with it 15:19:20 <mhausenblas> George: any immediate input for the People ED? 15:20:22 <George> q? 15:20:40 <BenediktKaempgen> +q 15:20:58 <mhausenblas> Michael: I guess for the FPWD we should focus on the UC and req - will also cover existing vocabs review 15:21:04 <mhausenblas> ack BenediktKaempgen 15:21:09 <olyerickson> I think the aspects that will be very useful will be people w.r.t. agencies 15:21:28 <olyerickson> zakim mute me. 15:21:36 <mhausenblas> BenediktKaempgen: How do you know if we cover the most interesting UC 15:21:37 <sandro> zakim, mute olyerickson 15:21:37 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted 15:21:41 <cygri> q+ 15:21:47 <mhausenblas> q? 15:21:59 <cygri> zakim, unmute me 15:21:59 <Zakim> cygri should no longer be muted 15:22:06 <sandro> zakim, mute cygri 15:22:06 <Zakim> cygri should now be muted 15:22:12 <sandro> cygri, still the loud tone. 15:22:18 <cgueret> :) 15:22:20 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 15:22:25 <sandro> zakim, mute cygri 15:22:25 <Zakim> cygri should now be muted 15:22:40 <olyerickson> Examples would be (a) elected representatives (b) officials at agencies 15:22:40 <cygri> i'll redial. � 15:22:46 <Zakim> -cygri.a 15:23:04 <olyerickson> q+ 15:23:07 <cygri> olyerickson, this is a software phone. 15:23:11 <olyerickson> zakim unmute me. 15:23:14 <mhausenblas> q? 15:23:25 <Zakim> +??P0 15:23:27 <mhausenblas> George: dataset driven seems useful 15:23:30 <mhausenblas> ack olyerickson 15:23:37 <cygri> q+ 15:23:43 <mhausenblas> olyerickson: two kinds of people and relations 15:23:53 <mhausenblas> ... (a) elected representatives (b) officials at agencies 15:23:53 <cygri> zakim, ??P0 is me 15:23:53 <Zakim> +cygri; got it 15:23:55 <mhausenblas> q? 15:24:42 <mhausenblas> olyerickson: also need to check re ORG vocab re instance data 15:24:50 <stasinos> stasinos has joined #gld 15:24:50 <mhausenblas> q? 15:25:13 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 15:25:20 <sandro> zakim, mute cygri 15:25:20 <Zakim> cygri should now be muted 15:25:21 <olyerickson> zakim mute me. 15:25:23 <cygri> oh well. 15:25:40 <Zakim> -cygri.a 15:26:05 <cygri> regarding where use cases come from: 15:26:27 <cygri> a good use case is something that you or your organization want to do anyways 15:26:29 <Zakim> +??P0 15:26:40 <cygri> and that would benefit from, or be enabled by, a standard vocabulary 15:26:46 <stasinos> Zakim, P0 is stasinos 15:26:46 <Zakim> sorry, stasinos, I do not recognize a party named 'P0' 15:26:52 <stasinos> Zakim, ??P0 is stasinos 15:26:52 <Zakim> +stasinos; got it 15:26:55 <cygri> e.g., for ORG: 15:27:11 <George> q? 15:27:15 <mhausenblas> q? 15:27:17 <olyerickson> ACTION: olyerickson to follow-up on "elected officials" and "agency officials" concern 15:27:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - Follow-up on "elected officials" and "agency officials" concern [on John Erickson - due 2012-02-09]. 15:27:29 <cygri> “we want to publish an organigram of our government in machine-readable form so that different ppl can visualize it in different ways” 15:27:33 <olyerickson> zakim mute me. 15:27:55 <mhausenblas> Michael: We're trying to standardise the behaviour of publishers, hence should be driven by stuff that exists out there 15:27:55 <sandro> gatemezi, I think there was talking in the background where you are. 15:29:16 <Zakim> +??P65 15:29:24 <cygri> zakim, ??P65 is me 15:29:24 <Zakim> +cygri; got it 15:29:25 <mhausenblas> q? 15:29:44 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone? 15:29:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see George_Thomas, Mike_P, ??P26, tinagheen, fadi (muted), DanG, olyerickson, mhausenblas, boris, Sandro, ??P53 (muted), rreck, gatemezi (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, 15:29:48 <Zakim> ... cygri (muted), Yigal, stasinos, cygri.a 15:29:48 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, BenediktKaempgen, csarven 15:29:48 <Zakim> boris has boris, dvilasuero 15:29:56 <olyerickson> zakim, please mute me. 15:29:56 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted 15:30:28 <mhausenblas> cygri: Best UC are the ones that are done or planned and require a standardised way to represent it 15:31:05 <mhausenblas> ... for example, for QB, take some spread sheets, need to publish, etc. 15:31:13 <mhausenblas> Michael: I agree with Richard 15:31:23 <mhausenblas> q? 15:31:40 <cgueret> +1 to move to next topic 15:31:57 <Zakim> -cygri 15:32:00 <olyerickson> I have nothing to add. Note that I added an action for myself... 15:32:10 <mhausenblas> Topic: DCAT Product status review/discussion 15:32:20 <cygri> zakim you eejit. i'm still on the call 15:33:05 <olyerickson> RE "roles," see http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html#roles 15:33:35 <mhausenblas> George: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 15:33:54 <olyerickson> DCAT ED: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html 15:34:11 <mhausenblas> q? 15:34:18 <cygri> ACTION-38? 15:34:18 <trackbot> ACTION-38 -- Phil Archer to convert editors' draft of DCAT to make use of respec -- due 2012-02-02 -- OPEN 15:34:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/38 15:34:21 <cygri> ACTION-39? 15:34:22 <trackbot> ACTION-39 -- Richard Cyganiak to update http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat to point to the new dcat ED -- due 2012-02-02 -- OPEN 15:34:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/39 15:34:25 <cygri> ACTION-40? 15:34:25 <trackbot> ACTION-40 -- Phil Archer to reflect on SEMIC advice on vocab selection etc. to see if there is more to contribute to the BP doc -- due 2012-02-02 -- OPEN 15:34:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/40 15:34:33 <olyerickson> Issue 10 maybe? 15:34:58 <olyerickson> zakim unmute me. 15:35:01 <olyerickson> q+ 15:35:09 <cygri> q+ 15:35:12 <mhausenblas> ack olyerickson 15:36:44 <gatemezi> +1 to closing an issue with a resolution 15:36:54 <mhausenblas> q? 15:36:57 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 15:37:33 <mhausenblas> Michael: we should close issues only with the recorded resolution 15:37:52 <cgueret> +1 to cygri 15:37:58 <boris> +1 to richard 15:37:59 <gatemezi> +1 to have a special meeting on DCAT for those issues... 15:38:09 <mhausenblas> cygri: we should prepare issues along with proposal 15:38:10 <DanG> +1 to richard 15:38:38 <olyerickson> No objection 15:38:44 <mhausenblas> George: shall we start discussing issues? 15:39:41 <cygri> +1 to olyerickson, this would be great! 15:39:52 <mhausenblas> George: the DCAT team should come up with proposals for the issues 15:39:54 <George> +1 to olyerickson 15:40:26 <mhausenblas> s/George: the D/John: the D 15:40:35 <mhausenblas> q? 15:41:07 <mhausenblas> Topic: Multilingualism of vocabs 15:41:10 <olyerickson> ACTION: DCAT team to propose resolutions to issue-2, issue-3 and possibly others to appear on next GLD call agenda 15:41:10 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - DCAT 15:41:39 <olyerickson> ACTION: olyerickson to corral DCAT team to propose resolutions to issue-2, issue-3 and possibly others to appear on next GLD call agenda 15:41:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-47 - Corral DCAT team to propose resolutions to issue-2, issue-3 and possibly others to appear on next GLD call agenda [on John Erickson - due 2012-02-09]. 15:41:41 <dvilasuero> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/4/4a/MultilingualismGLD%28v4%29.pdf 15:42:03 <olyerickson> zakim mute me. 15:42:25 <mhausenblas> Elena: From UPM, working on EC project http://www.monnet-project.eu/ 15:42:44 <olyerickson> zakim mute me. 15:42:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:42:59 <olyerickson> ZAKIM mute me. 15:43:05 <PhilA2> zakim, IPcaller is me 15:43:05 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it 15:43:08 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute olyerickson 15:43:08 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted 15:44:07 <mhausenblas> (Elena walks us through the slides and highlights certain issues) 15:44:30 <Zakim> -cygri.a 15:44:46 <cygri> zakim why u hate me 15:45:16 <Zakim> +??P64 15:45:18 <cygri> zakim, mute me 15:45:18 <Zakim> sorry, cygri, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 15:45:26 <cygri> zakim, ??P64 is me 15:45:26 <Zakim> +cygri; got it 15:45:29 <cygri> zakim, mute me 15:45:29 <Zakim> cygri should now be muted 15:46:16 <mhausenblas> Elena: it is not possible to link the labels, for example, this is the translation of the other 15:46:49 <mhausenblas> Elena: better than ad-hoc solution is LEMON, developed in Monnet 15:48:02 <olyerickson> Slide? 15:48:16 <olyerickson> ok slide 14 15:48:21 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:48:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 15:48:27 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public 15:49:55 <sandro> hmmmm. does this mean we stop using RDF language tags...? is language just another sense? 15:50:02 <sandro> (or context) 15:54:28 <gatemezi> @thanks mhausenblas 15:54:51 <gatemezi> Is there any link of the lexical model you are talking about? 15:55:03 <gatemezi> Could we advice govn't to *always* import in their vocab the lexical model for the translation of their vocab? 15:55:11 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:55:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 15:55:40 <sandro> on slide 22, I wonder if it's really "medio de page"@es or if language tags aren/t used (since they are basically redundant with lemon) 15:56:21 <cygri> sandro, it's still an utterance in a particular natural language, so @es is still appropriate 15:56:52 <olyerickson> re: "isCulturalEquivalentTranslationOf" ...wow, what a concept! 15:56:57 <sandro> I agree, cygri -- just wondering if the lemon folks agree. 15:57:03 <sandro> sure, mhausenblas 15:57:04 <mhausenblas> q? 15:57:07 <cygri> ok sandro 15:57:13 <olyerickson> +1 to fascinating! 15:57:16 <gatemezi> Thanks Elena!! 15:57:25 <dvilasuero> great talk elena 15:57:34 <PhilA2> Very interesting, Elena 15:57:46 <George> q? 15:57:47 <olyerickson> q+ 15:57:48 <cygri> q+ 15:57:49 <mhausenblas> George: interesting work, there is a liaising opportunity 15:57:50 <mhausenblas> q? 15:57:59 <mhausenblas> ack olyerickson 15:58:31 <mhausenblas> olyerickson: thanks Elena, we're been thinking about this in RPI as well in the context of international datasets 15:58:42 <Biplav> Thanks Elena! 15:58:43 <mhausenblas> s/we're/we've 15:59:28 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:59:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 15:59:36 <George> q? 16:00:45 <DanG> q+ 16:00:54 <mhausenblas> olyerickson: the extensibility is an important aspect 16:01:02 <cygri> q- 16:01:06 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 16:01:07 <Zakim> -cygri 16:01:19 <mhausenblas> ack DanG 16:01:53 <mhausenblas> DanG: seems to me that you're using the concept as the pivot 16:01:58 <mhausenblas> ack dang 16:02:07 <mhausenblas> ack DanG 16:02:09 <mhausenblas> q? 16:02:20 <mhausenblas> DanG: right approach, IMO 16:02:38 <cygri> if there's time, can someone ask if the ontolex community has an opinion on translating URIs (as opposed to labels/literals)? 16:02:39 <mhausenblas> George: thanks again, Elena 16:02:46 <olyerickson> +1 to babies ;) 16:02:49 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:02:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 16:03:09 <PhilA2> Apologises for being absent for so much of the call - glad I caught Elena 16:03:23 <PhilA2> go Dan1! 16:03:34 <mhausenblas> dvilasuero: volunteer to scribe next week 16:03:35 <dvilasuero> i'd like to volunteer for scribing nexxt week 16:03:42 <olyerickson> PhilA see Elana's slides 16:03:47 <mhausenblas> (meeting adjourned) 16:03:47 <BenediktKaempgen> thanks george 16:03:48 <gatemezi> Thanks all! 16:03:49 <DanG> bye 16:03:50 <Yigal> Yigal has left #gld 16:03:52 <fadi> bye 16:03:54 <rreck> thanks 16:03:54 <BenediktKaempgen> bye 16:03:56 <PhilA2> Thanks olyerickson I did 16:03:57 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:03:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas 16:03:57 <olyerickson> bye 16:03:58 <dvilasuero> bye!!! 16:04:00 <rreck> bubye 16:04:00 <DeirdreLee> bye 16:04:09 <olyerickson> olyerickson has left #gld 16:04:17 <Zakim> -stasinos 16:04:56 <Zakim> -tinagheen 16:04:57 <Zakim> -Sandro 16:04:59 <Zakim> -Mike_P 16:05:01 <Zakim> -fadi 16:05:03 <Zakim> -olyerickson 16:05:05 <Zakim> -PhilA2 16:05:09 <Zakim> -DanG 16:05:17 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen 16:05:20 <Zakim> -boris 16:05:26 <Zakim> -Yigal 16:05:27 <Zakim> -??P26 16:05:29 <Zakim> -gatemezi 16:05:42 <Zakim> -rreck 16:05:57 <PhilA2> PhilA2 has left #gld 16:06:31 <Zakim> -mhausenblas 16:10:38 <Zakim> -George_Thomas 16:16:21 <mhausenblas> mhausenblas has joined #gld # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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