GLD-WG Weekly Call, 8 Nov 2012

Minutes of 08 November 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121108
Seen
Agis Papantoniou, Bart van Leeuwen, Benedikt Kaempgen, Bernadette Hyland, Fadi Maali, Ghislain Atemezing, Giancarlo () Guizzardi, Gofran Shukair, Joao Almeida, John Erickson, Makx Dekkers, Martín Álvarez, Michael Hausenblas, Michael Pendleton, Phil Archer, Richard Cyganiak, Sandro Hawke, Tina Gheen
Chair
Bernadette Hyland
Scribe
Phil Archer
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of 25 October accepted link
Topics
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14:48:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD

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14:48:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:48:56 <trackbot> Date: 08 November 2012
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14:56:17 <olyerickson> zakim, [ipcaller] is me.

John Erickson: zakim, [ipcaller] is me.

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14:56:23 <olyerickson> mute me

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14:56:29 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.

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14:57:10 <PhilA2> zakim, this will be gld

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14:57:10 <Zakim> ok, PhilA2, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started

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14:57:36 <PhilA2> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121108
14:57:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:57:52 <PhilA2> Meeting: G:D WG Weekly call 8 Nov 2012
14:58:11 <PhilA2> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

14:58:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2

14:58:31 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

14:58:36 <PhilA2> zakim, P13 is me

Phil Archer: zakim, P13 is me

14:58:36 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA2, I do not recognize a party named 'P13'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PhilA2, I do not recognize a party named 'P13'

14:58:42 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P13 is me

Phil Archer: zakim, ??P13 is me

14:58:42 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it

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14:58:51 <Zakim> + +1.540.898.aaaa

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14:58:55 <agipap> zakim, ipcaller is me

Agis Papantoniou: zakim, ipcaller is me

14:58:55 <Zakim> +agipap; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +agipap; got it

14:59:13 <PhilA2> chair: Bernadette
14:59:14 <Zakim> +??P12

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14:59:45 <bhyland> Today's agenda, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121108

Bernadette Hyland: Today's agenda, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121108

15:00:44 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aabb

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15:01:01 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc

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15:01:03 <Zakim> +MHausenblas

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15:01:11 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

15:01:11 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

15:01:19 <fadmaa> Zakim, +35391 is fadmaa

Fadi Maali: Zakim, +35391 is fadmaa

15:01:19 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it

15:01:44 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me

15:01:44 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted

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15:02:10 <Zakim> +Sandro

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15:02:22 <cygri> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121108
15:03:29 <cygri> meeting: GLD-WG Weekly Call, 8 Nov 2012
15:04:17 <PhilA2> scribe: PhilA2

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

15:04:23 <PhilA2> scribeNick: PhilA2
15:04:43 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?

zakim, who is here?

15:04:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, +1.540.898.aaaa, ??P12, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, +1.540.898.aaaa, ??P12, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro

15:04:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see martinAlvarez, fadmaa, cygri, mhausenblas, gatemezin, PhilA2, agipap, olyerickson, Mike_Pendleton, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, Makx, bhyland, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see martinAlvarez, fadmaa, cygri, mhausenblas, gatemezin, PhilA2, agipap, olyerickson, Mike_Pendleton, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, Makx, bhyland, trackbot, sandro

15:04:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:04:56 <mhausenblas> Zakim, I'm with cygri

Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, I'm with cygri

15:04:56 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas; got it

15:05:37 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

15:05:37 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

15:05:38 <cygri> sandro, can you associate agipap's nick with his user account? Agis Papantoniou

Richard Cyganiak: sandro, can you associate agipap's nick with his user account? Agis Papantoniou

15:05:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, +1.540.898.aaaa, ??P12, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], ??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, +1.540.898.aaaa, ??P12, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], ??P0

15:05:38 <Zakim> cygri has mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has mhausenblas

15:05:47 <bhyland> zakim, aaaa is me

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aaaa is me

15:05:47 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland; got it

15:06:01 <Zakim> -??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P0

15:06:02 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

15:06:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, ??P12, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, ??P12, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller]

15:06:03 <Zakim> cygri has mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has mhausenblas

15:06:25 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

15:06:38 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P12 is Joao Paulo Almeida

zakim, ??P12 is Joao Paulo Almeida

15:06:38 <Zakim> +Joao Paulo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Joao Paulo; got it

15:06:51 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??P0 is me

Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??P0 is me

15:06:51 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez; got it

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15:07:06 <cygri> present+ cygri

Richard Cyganiak: present+ cygri

15:07:33 <sandro> Almeida, Joao Paulo (profile)

Sandro Hawke: Almeida, Joao Paulo (profile)

15:07:35 <fadmaa> Zakim, GofShu is with me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, GofShu is with me

15:07:35 <Zakim> +GofShu; got it

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15:08:16 <Zakim> +[LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC]

15:08:20 <cygri> TOPIC: Preliminary Items

1. Preliminary Items

15:08:27 <PhilA2> Joao Paulo's intro -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Oct/0097.html

Joao Paulo's intro -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Oct/0097.html

15:08:28 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me

Tina Gheen: Zakim, [LC] is me

15:08:28 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tinagheen; got it

15:08:50 <PhilA2> s/Jean-Paulo/João Paulo/

s/Jean-Paulo/João Paulo/ (warning: replacement failed)

15:09:06 <PhilA2> And our new member's full name is João Paulo Andrade Almeida

And our new member's full name is João Paulo Andrade Almeida

15:09:13 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?

zakim, who is here?

15:09:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, Joao Paulo, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], martinAlvarez, tinagheen

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, Joao Paulo, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], martinAlvarez, tinagheen

15:09:17 <Zakim> cygri has mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has mhausenblas

15:09:17 <Zakim> fadmaa has fadmaa, GofShu

Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa has fadmaa, GofShu

15:09:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see tinagheen, GofShu, martinAlvarez, fadmaa, cygri, mhausenblas, gatemezin, PhilA2, agipap, olyerickson, Mike_Pendleton, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, Makx, bhyland, trackbot,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tinagheen, GofShu, martinAlvarez, fadmaa, cygri, mhausenblas, gatemezin, PhilA2, agipap, olyerickson, Mike_Pendleton, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, Makx, bhyland, trackbot,

15:09:17 <Zakim> ... sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro

15:09:45 <mhausenblas> :)

Michael Hausenblas: :)

15:10:11 <PhilA2> Makx: Hi - are you calling in via Skype? If so I know who the IPCaller is... ;-)

Makx Dekkers: Hi - are you calling in via Skype? If so I know who the IPCaller is... ;-)

15:10:31 <bhyland> Last meetings minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25

Bernadette Hyland: Last meetings minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25

15:10:38 <bhyland> Please review to confirm & accept ...

Bernadette Hyland: Please review to confirm & accept ...

15:10:42 <mhausenblas> +1

Michael Hausenblas: +1

15:10:53 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

15:10:57 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1

15:10:58 <gatemezin> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

15:11:02 <agipap> +1

Agis Papantoniou: +1

15:11:39 <bhyland> New GLD WG members please introduce yourself ...

Bernadette Hyland: New GLD WG members please introduce yourself ...

15:11:57 <PhilA2> RESOLVED: Minutes of 25 October accepted

RESOLVED: Minutes of 25 October accepted

15:12:33 <PhilA2> Makx Dekkers' introduction -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Nov/0003.html

Makx Dekkers' introduction -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Nov/0003.html

15:12:58 <PhilA2> Topic: TPAC review

2. TPAC review

15:13:26 <PhilA2> Relevant blog posts at http://storify.com/w3cteam/tpac2012-see-sketch-and-fun, http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-liberte-and-the-open-web-platform/ and http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-4-days-of-open-web-standards-nouvelle-cuisine/

Relevant blog posts at http://storify.com/w3cteam/tpac2012-see-sketch-and-fun, http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-liberte-and-the-open-web-platform/ and http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-4-days-of-open-web-standards-nouvelle-cuisine/

15:13:32 <PhilA2> bhyland: It was a great event

Bernadette Hyland: It was a great event

15:14:00 <PhilA2> bhyland: I posted an exec summary http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-liberte-and-the-open-web-platform/

Bernadette Hyland: I posted an exec summary http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-liberte-and-the-open-web-platform/

15:14:07 <PhilA2> ... great event in a terrific location

... great event in a terrific location

15:14:11 <cygri> agipap, can you go to http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users and enter your nickname? makes it easier for the sribe, otherwise they have to clean up the minutes manually each time

Richard Cyganiak: agipap, can you go to http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users and enter your nickname? makes it easier for the sribe, otherwise they have to clean up the minutes manually each time

15:14:32 <agipap> of course

Agis Papantoniou: of course

15:14:37 <PhilA2> ... great to see how many people with various impairments were able to fully participate and move around

... great to see how many people with various impairments were able to fully participate and move around

15:15:22 <PhilA2> bhyland: I got there a day early thanks to Sandy (boy that was a strong wind) but it meant I was able to get to the developers' event

Bernadette Hyland: I got there a day early thanks to Sandy (boy that was a strong wind) but it meant I was able to get to the developers' event

15:15:23 <bhyland> Developers Meetup in Lyon, agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/meetup-Lyon.html

Bernadette Hyland: Developers Meetup in Lyon, agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/meetup-Lyon.html

15:16:06 <PhilA2> bhyland: Majority of people were on the floor as the room was so full. So many people enagaged in watching saeries of quick demos

Bernadette Hyland: Majority of people were on the floor as the room was so full. So many people enagaged in watching saeries of quick demos

15:16:32 <PhilA2> ... powered through loads of demos. Most inspiring was standards compliant Galaxy operating System

... powered through loads of demos. Most inspiring was standards compliant Galaxy operating System

15:16:50 <PhilA2> ... I think it's Mozilla who have developed this very impressive OS for mobile devices

... I think it's Mozilla who have developed this very impressive OS for mobile devices

15:17:00 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:17:04 <PhilA2> ... please let knkw know if you can't get to any of those pages etc.

... please let knkw know if you can't get to any of those pages etc.

15:17:26 <PhilA2> ... then day by day blog is at http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-4-days-of-open-web-standards-nouvelle-cuisine/

... then day by day blog is at http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-4-days-of-open-web-standards-nouvelle-cuisine/

15:18:03 <PhilA2> ... I stopped by the RDF WG that cygri is in. Impressed by the meeting. Shows the importance of the charter/WG process etc.

... I stopped by the RDF WG that cygri is in. Impressed by the meeting. Shows the importance of the charter/WG process etc.

15:18:17 <agipap> nickname fixed

Agis Papantoniou: nickname fixed

15:18:45 <PhilA2> bhyland: I popped into Web ID group

Bernadette Hyland: I popped into Web ID group

15:18:59 <PhilA2> ... that had more people than the RDF WG and had more of a start up feel

... that had more people than the RDF WG and had more of a start up feel

15:19:40 <PhilA2> ... if you're not familiar with Community Groups then make yourself so. http://www.w3.org/community/

... if you're not familiar with Community Groups then make yourself so. http://www.w3.org/community/

15:20:28 <PhilA2> sandro: CGs can be started by any 5 people (member or not)

Sandro Hawke: CGs can be started by any 5 people (member or not)

15:20:48 <PhilA2> .. if it works well then it can grow into becoming a WG

.. if it works well then it can grow into becoming a WG

15:21:10 <PhilA2> ... Business Groups cost money to join and are for vertical industries

... Business Groups cost money to join and are for vertical industries

15:21:33 <PhilA2> bhyland: More than 100 CGs have spring up since Aug 2011 with over 1900 participants. Lots from members but majority are not

Bernadette Hyland: More than 100 CGs have spring up since Aug 2011 with over 1900 participants. Lots from members but majority are not

15:21:42 <PhilA2> sandro: I'm not sure of their level of activity

Sandro Hawke: I'm not sure of their level of activity

15:22:11 <PhilA2> sandro: Some I suspect are inactive, others, like the one you saw at TPAC, are very active

Sandro Hawke: Some I suspect are inactive, others, like the one you saw at TPAC, are very active

15:23:03 <PhilA2> sandro: A great deashboard feature would be the number of action items that have been closed

Sandro Hawke: A great deashboard feature would be the number of action items that have been closed

15:24:09 <Zakim> + +49.721.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.721.aadd

15:24:23 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who's here?

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, who's here?

15:24:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, Joao Paulo, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], martinAlvarez, tinagheen,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, Joao Paulo, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], martinAlvarez, tinagheen,

15:24:26 <Zakim> ... +49.721.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +49.721.aadd

15:24:26 <Zakim> cygri has mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has mhausenblas

15:24:26 <Zakim> fadmaa has fadmaa, GofShu

Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa has fadmaa, GofShu

15:24:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, jpalmeida, tinagheen, GofShu, martinAlvarez, fadmaa, cygri, mhausenblas, gatemezin, PhilA2, agipap, olyerickson, Mike_Pendleton,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, jpalmeida, tinagheen, GofShu, martinAlvarez, fadmaa, cygri, mhausenblas, gatemezin, PhilA2, agipap, olyerickson, Mike_Pendleton,

15:24:27 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, Makx, bhyland, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, Makx, bhyland, trackbot, sandro

15:24:43 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, aadd is BenediktKaempgen

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, aadd is BenediktKaempgen

15:24:43 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BenediktKaempgen; got it

15:25:09 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

15:25:13 <PhilA2> bhyland: Riffs on the general status and munificence of W3C

Bernadette Hyland: Riffs on the general status and munificence of W3C

15:25:15 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p8 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p8 is me

15:25:16 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

15:25:45 <PhilA2> bhyland: Marilyn got me into a group to discuss perceived benefits of membership

Bernadette Hyland: Marilyn got me into a group to discuss perceived benefits of membership

15:26:05 <PhilA2> bhyland: Very professional marketing strategy.

Bernadette Hyland: Very professional marketing strategy.

15:26:31 <PhilA2> bhyland: I found myself sitting next to major marketing  and software companies. They like W3C, the brains trust etc.

Bernadette Hyland: I found myself sitting next to major marketing and software companies. They like W3C, the brains trust etc.

15:27:05 <PhilA2> bhyland: Lots of W3C staff in the Gov Linked Data session I ran

Bernadette Hyland: Lots of W3C staff in the Gov Linked Data session I ran

15:27:19 <PhilA2> ... lots of folk from governments from around the world in that session

... lots of folk from governments from around the world in that session

15:27:34 <PhilA2> ... there are details in the blog, especially the themes that emerged

... there are details in the blog, especially the themes that emerged

15:27:38 <bhyland> Emphasize flexibility & agility. Data interoperability is 20% technology and 80% about organization dynamics — politics and emotions (credit: Bart)

Bernadette Hyland: Emphasize flexibility & agility. Data interoperability is 20% technology and 80% about organization dynamics — politics and emotions (credit: Bart)

15:28:02 <bhyland> Common problem is overwhelming government officials with tech speak. Consider having a template from which internal champions can pull language:

Bernadette Hyland: Common problem is overwhelming government officials with tech speak. Consider having a template from which internal champions can pull language:

15:28:02 <bhyland> 	•	Financial benefits

Bernadette Hyland: • Financial benefits

15:28:02 <bhyland> 	•	Social responsibility benefits

Bernadette Hyland: • Social responsibility benefits

15:28:02 <bhyland> 	•	Legal & regulatory benefits

Bernadette Hyland: • Legal & regulatory benefits

15:28:02 <bhyland> 	•	Technical benefits

Bernadette Hyland: • Technical benefits

15:28:56 <Zakim> +??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31

15:28:58 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:29:01 <PhilA2> bhyland: Communication of the value proposition to government departments was highlighted by Judy Brewer who offered template wording that can be used

Bernadette Hyland: Communication of the value proposition to government departments was highlighted by Judy Brewer who offered template wording that can be used

15:29:05 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

15:29:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, Joao Paulo, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], martinAlvarez, tinagheen,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, Joao Paulo, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], martinAlvarez, tinagheen,

15:29:08 <Zakim> ... BenediktKaempgen, BartvanLeeuwen, ??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BenediktKaempgen, BartvanLeeuwen, ??P31

15:29:08 <Zakim> cygri has mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has mhausenblas

15:29:08 <Zakim> fadmaa has fadmaa, GofShu

Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa has fadmaa, GofShu

15:29:32 <PhilA2> present+ Giancarlo

present+ Giancarlo

15:30:03 <bhyland> From Brazilian university community

Bernadette Hyland: From Brazilian university community

15:30:10 <PhilA2> Giancarlo: worked on conceptual modelling, ontology development, recent work on gov applications

Giancarlo () Guizzardi: worked on conceptual modelling, ontology development, recent work on gov applications

15:30:34 <jpalmeida> Giancarlo Guizzardi is my colleague at the Federal University of Espírito Santo, Brazil

Joao Almeida: Giancarlo Guizzardi is my colleague at the Federal University of Espírito Santo, Brazil

15:30:48 <jpalmeida> we're with the Ontology and Conceptual Modelling Research Group

Joao Almeida: we're with the Ontology and Conceptual Modelling Research Group

15:30:51 <bhyland> I concluded my TPAC meetings with an enjoyable meeting with Secretary Delfino Natal de Souza of the Ministry of Planning and two Brazil office staff who participate in the W3C Government Linked Data Working Group.

Bernadette Hyland: I concluded my TPAC meetings with an enjoyable meeting with Secretary Delfino Natal de Souza of the Ministry of Planning and two Brazil office staff who participate in the W3C Government Linked Data Working Group.

15:30:51 <jpalmeida> yes

Joao Almeida: yes

15:31:41 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:32:25 <PhilA2> cygri: I agree with what you've been saying. It was my first TPAC too. Very interesting event

Richard Cyganiak: I agree with what you've been saying. It was my first TPAC too. Very interesting event

15:32:56 <PhilA2> cygri: For anyone that spends time on W3C stuff it's highly recommended. You see how other groups are working and you get to meet real people behind the mailing list

Richard Cyganiak: For anyone that spends time on W3C stuff it's highly recommended. You see how other groups are working and you get to meet real people behind the mailing list

15:33:16 <PhilA2> cygri: Good to see how the really big groups (CSS, HTML) handle their processes

Richard Cyganiak: Good to see how the really big groups (CSS, HTML) handle their processes

15:33:26 <Zakim> -??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P31

15:33:42 <PhilA2> bhyland: HTML5 WG has 200+ people signed up with 75 active - that's a lot...

Bernadette Hyland: HTML5 WG has 200+ people signed up with 75 active - that's a lot...

15:34:04 <PhilA2> bhyland: We have a great WG here in GLD, we should be proud

Bernadette Hyland: We have a great WG here in GLD, we should be proud

15:34:32 <PhilA2> bhyland: The RDF WG was being very methodical cf. other less focussed groups

Bernadette Hyland: The RDF WG was being very methodical cf. other less focussed groups

15:35:05 <PhilA2> PhilA2: Notes that HTML chairs are more or less FT on that job and we have extra paid editors to support them

Phil Archer: Notes that HTML chairs are more or less Full Time on that job and we have extra paid editors to support them

15:35:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:36:09 <PhilA2> s/FT/Full Time/
15:36:25 <bhyland> 99% chance that next TPAC will be in China in Nov 2013

Bernadette Hyland: 99% chance that next TPAC will be in China in Nov 2013

15:37:44 <PhilA2> bhyland: I left with a heightened sense of importance of W3C as a standards body. Grounded, well established etc.

Bernadette Hyland: I left with a heightened sense of importance of W3C as a standards body. Grounded, well established etc.

15:38:20 <PhilA2> PhilA2: Wants to shout the name Alexandra Lavirotte who is the primary person to whom congrats are due for the success of TPAC

Phil Archer: Wants to shout the name Alexandra Lavirotte who is the primary person to whom congrats are due for the success of TPAC

15:39:09 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:39:56 <bhyland> UK Gov't Linked Data WG was held on 5-Nov-2012 was http://data.gov.uk/linked-data/UKGovLD

Bernadette Hyland: UK Gov't Linked Data WG was held on 5-Nov-2012 was http://data.gov.uk/linked-data/UKGovLD

15:40:09 <bhyland> Topic: UK Gov't Linked Data WG

3. UK Gov't Linked Data WG

15:40:27 <bhyland> Backed by members of staff of local ministry, they provided the venue & support for the event.

Bernadette Hyland: Backed by members of staff of local ministry, they provided the venue & support for the event.

15:40:37 <bhyland> Participants were both public & private sector people.

Bernadette Hyland: Participants were both public & private sector people.

15:41:44 <bhyland> Per PhilA2,  they discussed … vocabularies, best practices.  About 40-50 people in the room.  About 20 are likely to be active and the usual suspects hopefully will continue to do the heavy lifting … but hope more will join/support their efforts!

Bernadette Hyland: Per PhilA2, they discussed … vocabularies, best practices. About 40-50 people in the room. About 20 are likely to be active and the usual suspects hopefully will continue to do the heavy lifting … but hope more will join/support their efforts!

15:41:59 <PhilA2> UK Gov LD WG mailing list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ukgovld/

UK Gov LD WG mailing list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ukgovld/

15:42:13 <bhyland> PhilA2 offered the use of W3C infrastructure to facilitate discussions...

Bernadette Hyland: PhilA2 offered the use of W3C infrastructure to facilitate discussions...

15:42:53 <bhyland> RE TPAC 2012 GLD breakout, We discussed approaches to resolve the “http://www.theodi.org/blog/four-challenges-open-data” as described by Jeni Tennison who attended the session. 

Bernadette Hyland: RE TPAC 2012 GLD breakout, We discussed approaches to resolve the “http://www.theodi.org/blog/four-challenges-open-data” as described by Jeni Tennison who attended the session. 

15:43:22 <PhilA2> bhyland: Jeni was at TPAC. She and I and Hadley discussed various things on her blog

Bernadette Hyland: Jeni was at TPAC. She and I and Hadley discussed various things on her blog

15:44:32 <cygri> jpalmeida, could you please go to http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users and add your IRC nickname there? this helps the scribe, otherwise the scribe needs to manually add it in the minutes every week :-)

Richard Cyganiak: jpalmeida, could you please go to http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users and add your IRC nickname there? this helps the scribe, otherwise the scribe needs to manually add it in the minutes every week :-)

15:44:48 <PhilA2> Topic: Agenda Planning

4. Agenda Planning

15:45:16 <PhilA2> PhilA2: My strong suggestion for date/p[lace for meeting is http://2013.data-forum.eu/

Phil Archer: My strong suggestion for date/p[lace for meeting is http://2013.data-forum.eu/

15:45:38 <PhilA2> bhyland: Does anyone have suggestions for f2f timing etc.

Bernadette Hyland: Does anyone have suggestions for f2f timing etc.

15:45:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> PhilA2, +1

Bart van Leeuwen: PhilA2, +1

15:45:56 <mhausenblas> +1 to EDF but we had Ireland already ;)

Michael Hausenblas: +1 to EDF but we had Ireland already ;)

15:45:56 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:46:22 <mhausenblas> Michael: Speaking as one of the General Chairs of this event

Michael Hausenblas: Speaking as one of the General Chairs of this event [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ]

15:46:29 <bhyland> Yeah! Dublin in April :-)

Bernadette Hyland: Yeah! Dublin in April :-)

15:46:49 <cygri> q+ to ask about Google Hangout thing that people were talking about

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to ask about Google Hangout thing that people were talking about

15:46:53 <gatemezin> But what about 2 times Ireland?

Ghislain Atemezing: But what about 2 times Ireland?

15:46:55 <bhyland> PhilA highly encouraged this as a colocation meeting venue/time for the GLD WG

Bernadette Hyland: PhilA highly encouraged this as a colocation meeting venue/time for the GLD WG

15:47:14 <PhilA2> cygri: I remember we talked about a Google hangout this year

Richard Cyganiak: I remember we talked about a Google hangout this year

15:47:31 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a]

15:47:45 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

15:47:56 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Open_Days

Michael Hausenblas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Open_Days

15:48:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ to ask about isa core vocab status

Bart van Leeuwen: q+ to ask about isa core vocab status

15:48:08 <mhausenblas> Michael: but that's really the open office hours

Michael Hausenblas: but that's really the open office hours [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ]

15:48:09 <cygri> ack me

Richard Cyganiak: ack me

15:48:09 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask about Google Hangout thing that people were talking about

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to ask about Google Hangout thing that people were talking about

15:48:11 <Zakim> +??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31

15:48:11 <gatemezin> Doodle : http://doodle.com/9q4bcgp87t862amr

Ghislain Atemezing: Doodle : http://doodle.com/9q4bcgp87t862amr

15:48:25 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:48:30 <PhilA2> bhyland: There was such a discussion, yes...

Bernadette Hyland: There was such a discussion, yes...

15:48:42 <PhilA2> PhilA2: I thought we'd settled on Thursday 6 Dec

Phil Archer: I thought we'd settled on Thursday 6 Dec

15:49:01 <PhilA2> bhyland: Well then let's make it so

Bernadette Hyland: Well then let's make it so

15:49:40 <Zakim> -??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P31

15:49:48 <PhilA2> bhyland: Does anyone from the US want to comment on US travel likelihoods to get to Dublin

Bernadette Hyland: Does anyone from the US want to comment on US travel likelihoods to get to Dublin

15:49:58 <PhilA2> Mike_Pendleton: There's no way I could get support to go over seas

Michael Pendleton: There's no way I could get support to go over seas

15:50:02 <bhyland> … No support for overseas travel.

Bernadette Hyland: … No support for overseas travel.

15:50:04 <PhilA2> tinagheen: +1 to Mike_Pendleton

Tina Gheen: +1 to Mike_Pendleton

15:50:37 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

15:50:50 <PhilA2> mhausenblas: We can get from Galway to Dublin, yes

Michael Hausenblas: We can get from Galway to Dublin, yes

15:51:09 <jpalmeida> for some reason I've dropped out

Joao Almeida: for some reason I've dropped out

15:51:16 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BenediktKaempgen

15:52:01 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen

Zakim IRC Bot: +BenediktKaempgen

15:52:05 <bhyland> PhilA re-iterated that F2F meetings are challenging with travel restrictions but really important.  We need to ensure people who cannot travel can participate.

Bernadette Hyland: PhilA re-iterated that F2F meetings are challenging with travel restrictions but really important. We need to ensure people who cannot travel can participate.

15:52:48 <PhilA2> BenediktKaempgen: I would like to come to Galway or Dublin, yes, if I can. Google Hangout - definitely

Benedikt Kaempgen: I would like to come to Galway or Dublin, yes, if I can. Google Hangout - definitely

15:52:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:53:20 <PhilA2> bhyland: There are people who have faded away from the WG because they're busy doing other things that it would be good to have back

Bernadette Hyland: There are people who have faded away from the WG because they're busy doing other things that it would be good to have back

15:53:43 <PhilA2> bhyland: To new people, I hope we can quickly find something for you to get your teeth into

Bernadette Hyland: To new people, I hope we can quickly find something for you to get your teeth into

15:54:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:54:06 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:54:12 <PhilA2> ack BartvanLeeuwen

ack BartvanLeeuwen

15:54:12 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to ask about isa core vocab status

Zakim IRC Bot: BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to ask about isa core vocab status

15:54:16 <bhyland> Ack Bart

Bernadette Hyland: Ack Bart

15:54:51 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:54:52 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: On agenda planning - something I'd like on an agenda... there was some discussion about the ISA core vocs and the w3.org namespace...

Bart van Leeuwen: On agenda planning - something I'd like on an agenda... there was some discussion about the ISA core vocs and the w3.org namespace...

15:55:08 <sandro> (sorry, back -- had to drop off for a minute -- in person interruption)

Sandro Hawke: (sorry, back -- had to drop off for a minute -- in person interruption)

15:55:09 <jpalmeida> I'm back

Joao Almeida: I'm back

15:55:47 <bhyland> TOPIC: ISA Programme Vocabs

5. ISA Programme Vocabs

15:56:07 <cygri> q+ to suggest review of open, overdue and pending-review actions for one of the next calls

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to suggest review of open, overdue and pending-review actions for one of the next calls

15:56:13 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

15:56:27 <bhyland> PhilA: Status of W3 namespace and approval to FPWS is dependent upon this group. They are actively on the "front burner"

Phil Archer: Status of W3 namespace and approval to FPWS is dependent upon this group. They are actively on the "front burner" [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:56:46 <sandro> at iswc

Sandro Hawke: at iswc

15:56:52 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: Next week is ISWC so can we discuss those vocabs in 2 weeks' time?

Bart van Leeuwen: Next week is ISWC so can we discuss those vocabs in 2 weeks' time?

15:56:56 <BartvanLeeuwen> at iswc

Bart van Leeuwen: at iswc

15:56:56 <GofShu> an i am

Gofran Shukair: an i am

15:56:59 <PhilA2> bhyland: Who is at ISWC next week then?

Bernadette Hyland: Who is at ISWC next week then?

15:57:17 <gatemezin> +1 to be there

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to be there

15:57:21 <PhilA2> bhyland: More than 4... I'll have a chat with George and see whether we should have a meeting next week

Bernadette Hyland: More than 4... I'll have a chat with George and see whether we should have a meeting next week

15:57:23 <bhyland> Sounds like about 4 people from our WG will be at Boston at ISWC.

Bernadette Hyland: Sounds like about 4 people from our WG will be at Boston at ISWC.

15:57:42 <PhilA2> bhyland: We'll let you know, no later than Tuesday whether we have a meeting next week

Bernadette Hyland: We'll let you know, no later than Tuesday whether we have a meeting next week

15:58:00 <PhilA2> bhyland: I think a number of us came back from TPAC feeling pretty energised...

Bernadette Hyland: I think a number of us came back from TPAC feeling pretty energised...

15:58:05 <olyerickson> BartvanLeeuwen: we could talk... email me your skype

Bart van Leeuwen: we could talk... email me your skype [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

15:58:07 <cygri> q?

Richard Cyganiak: q?

15:58:13 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:58:20 <PhilA2> ack cygri

ack cygri

15:58:20 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to suggest review of open, overdue and pending-review actions for one of the next calls

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to suggest review of open, overdue and pending-review actions for one of the next calls

15:58:56 <PhilA2> cygri: Since we had agenda planning on the agenda - I wanted to suggest we reviewed actions and issues, to see which are still relevant

Richard Cyganiak: Since we had agenda planning on the agenda - I wanted to suggest we reviewed actions and issues, to see which are still relevant

15:59:08 <PhilA2> cygri: Can we make the tracker relevant again

Richard Cyganiak: Can we make the tracker relevant again

15:59:17 <PhilA2> rrsagent, make logs public

rrsagent, make logs public

15:59:28 <PhilA2> bhyland: Will do, yes. +1 Richard

Bernadette Hyland: Will do, yes. +1 Richard

15:59:30 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:59:40 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton

Zakim IRC Bot: -Mike_Pendleton

15:59:40 <PhilA2> bhyland: Thanks everyone

Bernadette Hyland: Thanks everyone

15:59:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:59:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx bhyland

Bart van Leeuwen: thx bhyland

15:59:56 <Zakim> -tinagheen

Zakim IRC Bot: -tinagheen

15:59:56 <Zakim> -martinAlvarez

Zakim IRC Bot: -martinAlvarez

15:59:56 <olyerickson> buy!

John Erickson: buy!

15:59:56 <PhilA2> meeting adjourned

meeting adjourned

15:59:56 <jpalmeida> thx bye

Joao Almeida: thx bye

15:59:57 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BenediktKaempgen

15:59:57 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

15:59:58 <Zakim> -agipap

Zakim IRC Bot: -agipap

15:59:58 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:00:00 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

16:00:00 <GofShu> bye

Gofran Shukair: bye

16:00:02 <Zakim> -gatemezin

Zakim IRC Bot: -gatemezin

16:00:02 <Zakim> -bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland

16:00:04 <Zakim> -olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson

16:00:04 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

16:00:05 <Zakim> -PhilA2

Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA2

16:00:05 <Zakim> -jpalmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: -jpalmeida

16:00:13 <Zakim> -fadmaa

Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa

16:00:14 <bhyland> @olyerickson … you were very quiet … are you OK?

Bernadette Hyland: @olyerickson … you were very quiet … are you OK?

16:00:20 <PhilA2> zakim, bye

zakim, bye

16:00:22 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson, PhilA2, +1.540.898.aaaa, agipap, +3539149aacc, cygri, fadmaa, gatemezin, Sandro, [IPcaller], mhausenblas,

Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson, PhilA2, +1.540.898.aaaa, agipap, +3539149aacc, cygri, fadmaa, gatemezin, Sandro, [IPcaller], mhausenblas,

16:00:22 <Zakim> ... bhyland, Joao Paulo, martinAlvarez, GofShu, tinagheen, +49.721.aadd, BenediktKaempgen, BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bhyland, Joao Paulo, martinAlvarez, GofShu, tinagheen, +49.721.aadd, BenediktKaempgen, BartvanLeeuwen

16:00:35 <bhyland> zakim, aaaa is me

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aaaa is me

16:00:36 <PhilA2> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

16:00:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA2

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA2

16:00:58 <cygri> PhilA2, this group uses commonscribe, not RRSAgent

Richard Cyganiak: PhilA2, this group uses commonscribe, not RRSAgent

16:01:14 <cygri> https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=gld

Richard Cyganiak: https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=gld

16:01:16 <PhilA2> cygri: Yes, I know, but I trust RRSagent more ;-)

Richard Cyganiak: Yes, I know, but I trust RRSagent more ;-)



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