IRC log of rdf-wg on 2011-12-21

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15:56:50 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 73394
15:56:50 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:56:51 [trackbot]: Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:56:52 [trackbot]: Date: 21 December 2011
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16:01:26 [Guus]: zakim, who is here?
16:01:26 [Zakim]: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus
16:01:27 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Scott_Bauer, cygri, pfps, AndyS, AZ, pchampin, JeremyCarroll, Zakim, RRSAgent, LeeF, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, mischat, manu, trackbot, davidwood, mdmdm, manu1, NickH,
16:01:29 [Zakim]: ... sandro, ericP
16:01:48 [gavinc]: Zakim, start meeting
16:01:48 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'start meeting', gavinc
16:01:48 [AndyS]: zakim, who is on the phone?
16:01:49 [Zakim]: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, AndyS
16:01:51 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Scott_Bauer, cygri, pfps, AndyS, AZ, pchampin, JeremyCarroll, Zakim, RRSAgent, LeeF, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, mischat, manu, trackbot, davidwood, mdmdm, manu1, NickH,
16:01:53 [Zakim]: ... sandro, ericP
16:02:03 [AndyS]: trackbot, start meeting
16:02:05 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs world
16:02:07 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 73394
16:02:07 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
16:02:08 [trackbot]: Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:02:08 [trackbot]: Date: 21 December 2011
16:02:13 [AndyS]: zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:13 [Zakim]: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, AndyS
16:02:14 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Scott_Bauer, cygri, pfps, AndyS, AZ, pchampin, JeremyCarroll, Zakim, RRSAgent, LeeF, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, mischat, manu, trackbot, davidwood, mdmdm, manu1, NickH,
16:02:15 [gavinc]: zakim, this is 73394
16:02:17 [Zakim]: ... sandro, ericP
16:02:17 [Zakim]: ok, gavinc; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
16:02:28 [AndyS]: zakim, start 73394
16:02:28 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'start 73394', AndyS
16:02:35 [gavinc]: Zakim, start
16:02:35 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'start', gavinc
16:02:36 [Zakim]: +??P11
16:02:41 [gavinc]: there we go!
16:02:51 [Guus]: zakim, who is here?
16:02:51 [Zakim]: On the phone I see +31.20.598.aaaa, Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, +1.540.898.aabb, [IPcaller], +1.707.861.aacc, +1.415.586.aadd, ??P9, ??P11
16:02:53 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Scott_Bauer, cygri, pfps, AndyS, AZ, pchampin, JeremyCarroll, Zakim, RRSAgent, LeeF, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, mischat, manu, trackbot, davidwood, mdmdm, manu1, NickH,
16:02:55 [Zakim]: ... sandro, ericP
16:02:56 [AndyS]: scribe: AndyS
16:02:57 [Zakim]: +OpenLink_Software
16:03:00 [Zakim]: +??P8
16:03:04 [MacTed]: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:03:04 [Zakim]: +MacTed; got it
16:03:05 [AndyS]: zakim, IPCaller is me
16:03:05 [Zakim]: +AndyS; got it
16:03:05 [MacTed]: Zakim, mute me
16:03:06 [Zakim]: MacTed should now be muted
16:03:07 [cygri]: zakim, ??P8 is me
16:03:10 [Zakim]: +cygri; got it
16:03:12 [Guus]: zakim, +31.20 is me
16:03:14 [Zakim]: +Guus; got it
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16:03:25 [gavinc]: Zakim, aacc is me
16:03:26 [Zakim]: +gavinc; got it
16:03:28 [yvesr]: Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:03:28 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Guus, Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, +1.540.898.aabb, AndyS, gavinc, JeremyCarroll, ??P9, ??P11, MacTed (muted), cygri
16:03:32 [gavinc]: Zakim, mute me
16:03:32 [Zakim]: gavinc should now be muted
16:03:34 [AZ]: zakim, ??P11 is me
16:03:34 [Zakim]: +AZ; got it
16:03:37 [AndyS]: scribenick: AndyS
16:03:38 [yvesr]: Zakim, P9 is me
16:03:38 [Zakim]: sorry, yvesr, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'
16:03:43 [yvesr]: Zakim, ??P9 is me
16:03:43 [Zakim]: +yvesr; got it
16:03:43 [davidwood]: zaim, +aabb is me
16:04:16 [Zakim]: +Tony
16:04:17 [AndyS]: topic: Admin
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16:04:35 [Scott_Bauer]: Zakim, Tony is me
16:04:35 [Zakim]: +Scott_Bauer; got it
16:04:44 [Zakim]: + +1.443.212.aaee
16:04:54 [AlexHall]: zakim, aaee is me
16:04:54 [Zakim]: +AlexHall; got it
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16:05:42 [AndyS]: david: admin section then discussion of the path forward for [graph]
16:05:46 [davidwood]: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 14 Dec telecon:
16:05:46 [davidwood]: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-12-14
16:05:51 [Guus]: zakim, who is on the phone?
16:05:51 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Guus, Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, +1.540.898.aabb, AndyS, gavinc (muted), JeremyCarroll (muted), yvesr, AZ, MacTed (muted), cygri, Scott_Bauer, AlexHall
16:06:10 [davidwood]: zakim, aabb is me
16:06:10 [Zakim]: +davidwood; got it
16:06:28 [AndyS]: topic: Action item review
16:06:35 [AndyS]: No pending action items
16:06:45 [AndyS]: David: 13 open actions
16:07:06 [Zakim]: + +1.760.705.aaff
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16:07:13 [pchampin]: zakim, aaff is me
16:07:13 [Zakim]: +pchampin; got it
16:07:16 [pchampin]: zakim, mute me
16:07:16 [Zakim]: pchampin should now be muted
16:08:15 [gavinc]: Zakim, unmute me
16:08:15 [Zakim]: gavinc should no longer be muted
16:09:07 [AndyS]: david: action 117 - jeremy ...
16:09:13 [AndyS]: ... duration datatypes
16:09:27 [AndyS]: jeremy: will do action
16:09:37 [AndyS]: ... action 118 similar
16:10:09 [AndyS]: david: gavin - action on formatted text literals
16:10:14 [cygri]: q+
16:10:55 [AndyS]: ack cygri
16:11:08 [AndyS]: cygri: pls expand on action 124
16:11:28 [AndyS]: gavin: it's because of xml literal downplayed ... what about formatted text?
16:11:55 [AndyS]: topic: next meeting
16:12:01 [AndyS]: Jan 4
16:12:07 [AndyS]: topic: path forward
16:12:45 [AndyS]: david: Named graphs has been a major matter for the WG ... but also now see there are concerns about how people view the web
16:13:09 [AndyS]: ... lot of perspectives in WG and these all be considered valid.
16:13:34 [AndyS]: ... new uses of RDF (Linked Data Ent Workshop)
16:13:50 [AndyS]: ... not just for one thing
16:14:09 [AndyS]: ... pls keep in mind that other people's perspective are valid
16:14:42 [AndyS]: ... WG needs to find a compromiose
16:15:00 [AndyS]: ... sandros has suggested we focus on the use cases
16:15:13 [AndyS]: ... starting with Richard
16:15:31 [PatH]: PatH has joined #rdf-wg
16:15:44 [PatH]: Sorry Im late, having a problem phoning in.
16:16:22 [AndyS]: ... email dec 21 at 13:43 UTC (??)
16:16:42 [AndyS]: ... Richard, where is the key issues here?
16:17:20 [AndyS]: sandro: for now, just think about UC, not analysis one UC until several looked at
16:17:35 [AndyS]: ... and we may see the common elements
16:18:01 [AndyS]: david: need to look sufficiently deeply
16:18:19 [Zakim]: +PatH
16:18:22 [Zakim]: -cygri
16:18:49 [AndyS]: cygri: this UC was about the exchange of ... really 2 UC ... and a Higgs boson was seen
16:20:25 [AndyS]: sandro: what are other people hoping to get out of NG
16:20:44 [Guus]: q+ to suggest BBC one to take on, if it takes some time for Richard to come back
16:20:55 [AndyS]: david: Jeremy suggested a text case approach
16:21:02 [PatH]: maybe if i leave...?
16:21:05 [AndyS]: ... will get to that on the hour
16:21:30 [PatH]: pchampi, not knowingly.
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16:23:01 [AndyS]: Jeremy: previously, have found that test cases stress the common ground, not the conceptualisms around it
16:23:10 [PatH]: +1 to jeremy
16:23:16 [Guus]: +1
16:23:17 [PatH]: zakim, mute me
16:23:17 [Zakim]: PatH should now be muted
16:23:42 [Zakim]: +??P8
16:23:50 [cygri]: zakim, ??P8 is me
16:23:50 [Zakim]: +cygri; got it
16:23:58 [AndyS]: ... I suggested on test case. We can formally resolve on that then move to next test case. 100 small steps.
16:24:10 [AndyS]: (link please)
16:24:13 [PatH]: richard is back :-)
16:24:38 [Guus]: +1 to the ill-formedness of that test case
16:24:53 [gavinc]: { ( {a:b c:d e:f}, mailto:ivan@w3.org">mailto:ivan@w3.org ), ( {}, mailto:ivan@w3.org ) }
16:25:16 [Guus]: q+ to syggest to do the strawpoll first
16:25:38 [JeremyCarroll]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Dec/0123.html
16:25:41 [davidwood]: ack Guus
16:25:41 [Zakim]: Guus, you wanted to suggest BBC one to take on, if it takes some time for Richard to come back and to syggest to do the strawpoll first
16:26:03 [AndyS]: q+
16:26:04 [gavinc]: STRAWPOLL: RDF 1.1 Recommendation will not recommend the use { ( {a:b c:d e:f}, mailto:ivan@w3.org">mailto:ivan@w3.org ), ( {}, mailto:ivan@w3.org ) }
16:26:42 [AndyS]: q+ to ask if this is syntax or abstract data model?
16:26:53 [davidwood]: ack AndyS
16:26:53 [Zakim]: AndyS, you wanted to ask if this is syntax or abstract data model?
16:27:28 [AndyS]: AndyS: Is this syntax?
16:27:33 [AndyS]: Jeremy: Yes.
16:27:38 [PatH]: lets stick to abstract model first.
16:27:40 [Guus]: it is not TriG syntax, btw
16:27:59 [pfps]: q+
16:28:06 [davidwood]: q?
16:28:13 [davidwood]: ack pfps
16:28:25 [AndyS]: pfps: is this an RDF dataset?
16:28:46 [Zakim]: +Eric
16:28:49 [AndyS]: jeremy: syntax wrong -it is an RDF dataset that has a repeated label on two graphs
16:29:21 [cygri]: RDF Dataset definition includes: "Graph names are unique within an RDF dataset."
16:29:31 [AndyS]: pfps: RDF dataset has a label only once.
16:29:36 [cygri]: so, that's a negative test case.
16:30:28 [gavinc]: https://gist.github.com/1506664
16:30:31 [davidwood]: q?
16:30:34 [gavinc]: Not A Dataset https://gist.github.com/1506664
16:30:39 [PatH]: Jeremy is trying to locate the shore by first putting a pole clearly in the water.
16:31:05 [AndyS]: david: Negative test, concept, not synatx,
16:31:16 [gavinc]: TRAWPOLL: RDF 1.1 Recommendation will not recommend the use of { ( {a:b c:d e:f}, mailto:ivan@w3.org">mailto:ivan@w3.org ), ( {}, mailto:ivan@w3.org ) } see https://gist.github.com/1506664 for TriG
16:31:18 [JeremyCarroll]: STRAWPOLL: RDF 1.1 Recommendation will not recommend the use { ( {a:b c:d e:f}, mailto:ivan@w3.org">mailto:ivan@w3.org ), ( {}, mailto:ivan@w3.org ) }
16:31:33 [cygri]: +1
16:31:35 [yvesr]: +1
16:31:40 [MacTed]: (will not recommend? or will disrecommend?)
16:31:41 [JeremyCarroll]: +1
16:31:41 [Guus]: +1
16:31:44 [davidwood]: +1
16:31:46 [pchampin]: +1
16:31:52 [gavinc]: +1
16:31:53 [davidwood]: Sandro: +1
16:31:53 [AZ]: +1
16:31:53 [AndyS]: +1
16:31:55 [Guus]: we can formulate this stronger, I think
16:31:56 [ericP]: +1
16:31:56 [pfps]: +1 to what david is saying, not to the strawpoll per se
16:32:00 [MacTed]: +1 for not recommending ... but I think that's not the right expression
16:32:07 [AlexHall]: +1
16:33:03 [pfps]: STRAWPOLL: In an RDF dataset, there must be a function (and not a general relation) from "tags" to graphs
16:33:09 [ericP]: q?
16:33:16 [AndyS]: guus: test suite
16:33:29 [ericP]: i think a test suite would be bound to a serialization
16:33:33 [AndyS]: ... we need a owner/manager
16:33:44 [AndyS]: q+
16:34:18 [AndyS]: david: if we can't get a test case, keep proposal and not loose it
16:34:21 [gavinc]: PROPOSAL : In a TriG document a graph IRI must not be used to label more then one graph.
16:34:51 [AndyS]: q-
16:34:57 [Guus]: proposal to use TriG as test-suite serialization language
16:35:00 [PatH]: English version: the WG will not recommend any construction in which two different graphs are assigned the same label.
16:35:26 [PatH]: zakim, unmute me.
16:35:26 [Zakim]: PatH should no longer be muted
16:35:30 [AndyS]: why not have "tests" being text files for now, pending syntax?
16:35:34 [ericP]: a SPARQL-style test suite of a set of a mapping of turtle docs to unique graph names (and default graph) would capture this test without steaking out an interpretation of TriG
16:35:56 [davidwood]: PROPOSAL : In a TriG document or similar syntax constituting an RDF dataset, a graph IRI must not be used to label more then one graph.
16:36:02 [AndyS]: +1 to ericP as SPARQL tests can write these down
16:36:27 [cygri]: q+
16:36:28 [PatH]: steaking out, nice. we can try roasting out as well.
16:36:34 [davidwood]: ack cygri
16:36:46 [PatH]: sounds much better
16:36:56 [PatH]: zakim, mute me.
16:36:56 [Zakim]: PatH should now be muted
16:37:02 [AndyS]: cygri: option for different relationships of a "name" and a graph
16:37:17 [AndyS]: ... may or may not be mixed in an RDF dataset
16:37:46 [AndyS]: ... ??allow the name multiple times for different relationships
16:38:01 [JeremyCarroll]: q+ to speak against Richard
16:38:10 [gavinc]: <mailto:ivan@w3.org> <relation1> {
16:38:11 [gavinc]: <a> <b> <c> .
16:38:13 [gavinc]: }
16:38:14 [gavinc]: <mailto:ivan@w3.org> <relation2> {
16:38:16 [gavinc]
16:38:17 [gavinc]: }
16:38:23 [AndyS]: <labeluri> :p1 {} . <labeluri> :p2 {}
16:38:25 [ericP]: <G1> :logSemantics { <s1> <p1> <o1> } ; :signs { <s2> <p2> <o2> }
16:38:39 [davidwood]: ack JeremyCarroll
16:38:39 [Zakim]: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to speak against Richard
16:38:47 [MacTed]: tweaked PROPOSAL : Within a single RDF dataset, whether expressed by a TriG document or any other syntax, a single graph IRI (1) MUST NOT be used to label more then one graph; (2) MAY ONLY be used to label one graph.
16:38:58 [Zakim]: -cygri
16:39:03 [AndyS]: Jeremy: we can revise if we decide that. Test case is more concrete probe. Not too many choices.
16:39:15 [Zakim]: +??P8
16:39:18 [cygri]: zakim, ??P8 is me
16:39:18 [Zakim]: +cygri; got it
16:39:18 [PatH]: i see what richard is saying, but agree with jeremy
16:39:55 [PatH]: any decision will rule out some possibilities.
16:40:14 [MacTed]: intentionally so
16:40:22 [PatH]: are they different?
16:41:06 [Guus]: PROPOSAL Within a single RDF dataset MUST NOT be used to label more then one graph
16:41:07 [davidwood]: PROPOSAL : Within a single RDF dataset, regardless of syntax, a single graph IRI (1) MUST NOT be used to label more then one graph; (2) MAY ONLY be used to label one graph.
16:41:19 [PatH]: q+
16:41:20 [MacTed]: (1) and (2) are intentionally redundant. the first conforms more to RFC grammar; the second is more clear to many readers.
16:41:27 [AndyS]: Jeremy: multiple labelled blocks is still one graph is a possibility
16:41:27 [ericP]: PROPOSAL : Within a single RDF dataset, regardless of syntax, a single graph IRI (1) MUST NOT be used to label more then one graph
16:41:31 [davidwood]: ack PatH
16:41:34 [PatH]: zakim, unmute me
16:41:34 [Zakim]: PatH was not muted, PatH
16:42:19 [AndyS]: PatH: one reason for not doing this is where identity is expensive
16:42:20 [cygri]: we just need to detect identity of the URIs, not of the graphs
16:42:36 [PatH]: zakim, mute me
16:42:36 [Zakim]: PatH should now be muted
16:42:57 [davidwood]: PROPOSAL : Within a single RDF dataset, regardless of syntax, a single graph IRI MUST NOT be used to label more then one graph
16:43:06 [ericP]: +1
16:43:06 [MacTed]: +1
16:43:07 [pfps]: +1
16:43:10 [davidwood]: Sandro: +1
16:43:11 [Guus]: +1
16:43:11 [davidwood]: +1
16:43:12 [PatH]: +1
16:43:12 [gavinc]: +1
16:43:15 [cygri]: +1
16:43:15 [AZ]: +1
16:43:15 [AlexHall]: +1
16:43:18 [pchampin]: +1
16:43:22 [yvesr]: +1
16:43:22 [AndyS]: +1
16:43:57 [AndyS]: RESOLVED: Within a single RDF dataset, regardless of syntax, a single graph IRI MUST NOT be used to label more then one graph
16:44:00 [PatH]: cygri, yes of course. sorry.
16:44:24 [AndyS]: david: The use case ... richard
16:44:41 [AndyS]: cygri: UC about web crawling and crawling RDF data
16:45:02 [AndyS]: ... at the time of crawl may not know the use to be made of the data
16:45:12 [AndyS]: ... i.e. crawler grabs stuff
16:45:24 [AndyS]: ... so keep things in separate graphs
16:45:29 [AndyS]: ... keep source info
16:46:22 [AndyS]: ... at this stage, data considered is by source only, nothing outside
16:46:28 [Guus]: remark about the resolution: you can interpret it as an implicit resolution that graph names must be IRIs. Should we make this explicit?
16:46:40 [AndyS]: ... important - store this in a SPARQL store for query using GRAPH
16:47:15 [AndyS]: ... important - crawls can be exchanged (practical reasons) - nquads where 4th slot is the source
16:47:22 [AndyS]: ... source URL
16:47:49 [AndyS]: david: Are you using the source URL as the graph URI?
16:47:59 [davidwood]: q?
16:48:31 [AndyS]: cygri: In several examples, inc billion triples dump, and Sindice, then source URL is 4th slot in the dump
16:48:43 [AndyS]: ... makes it easy to understand
16:49:17 [AndyS]: sandro: similar : tabulator and ?? but they use tag as a retriveal event
16:49:35 [AndyS]: ... if higher costs are acceptable
16:49:47 [PatH]: do these systems use RDF metadata in which the graph identifiers are used to identify the graphs?
16:50:20 [cygri]: q+ to answer pat
16:50:30 [AndyS]: david: how does this inform you?
16:51:25 [AndyS]: cygri: to PatH: they refer to the source, not the graph
16:51:26 [PatH]: great.
16:51:59 [AndyS]: cygri: does not make much sense about the merge of all the graphs
16:52:34 [AndyS]: ... or consistency. It data management to keep them separate. May subset and do other stuff later.
16:52:35 [PatH]: that really is very nice, and allows an elegant semantic 'gloss' to account for this being conformant.
16:53:08 [AndyS]: ... semantics is "not good" lots of things wrong and need to be sorted out by the app on top later
16:53:23 [AndyS]: ... we want a way to split the triples by source
16:53:26 [PatH]: q+
16:53:35 [PatH]: zakim, unmute me
16:53:35 [Zakim]: PatH should no longer be muted
16:53:54 [davidwood]: ack cygri
16:53:54 [Zakim]: cygri, you wanted to answer pat
16:54:06 [davidwood]: ack PatH
16:54:40 [Zakim]: -cygri
16:54:40 [AndyS]: PatH: The sticking point for me has been the way URIs are used in difefrent ways - now clear in Richards UC that this is not the case
16:54:55 [Zakim]: +??P8
16:55:00 [cygri]: zakim, ??P8 is me
16:55:00 [Zakim]: +cygri; got it
16:55:01 [ericP]: AggregateDB GETs <http://a.example/doc1.ttl> at with headers <H>, could create any of these DBs:
16:55:04 [ericP]: snapshot: <http://a.example/doc1.ttl>: { <s1> <p1> <o1> }
16:55:07 [ericP]: with-metadata: default graph: { <http://a.example/doc1.ttl> http:headers <H> }
16:55:09 [AndyS]: ... so we can add metadata etc
16:55:09 [ericP]: <http://a.example/doc1.ttl>: { <s1> <p1> <o1> }
16:55:12 [ericP]: with history: default graph: { </2011-12-21T11:50/http://a.example/doc1.ttl">http://a.example/doc1.ttl> http:resource <http://a.example/doc1.ttl> ; http:headers <H> }
16:55:15 [ericP]: </2011-12-21T11:50/http://a.example/doc1.ttl>: { <s1> <p1> <o1> }
16:55:19 [ericP]: does that capture likely designs?
16:55:28 [AndyS]: s/semantics/data/
16:55:49 [AndyS]: PatH: Will write up my point.
16:56:27 [PatH]: did we lose richard again?
16:56:34 [ericP]: q+
16:56:42 [davidwood]: zakim, who is talking?
16:56:42 [AndyS]: scribe+
16:56:54 [Zakim]: davidwood, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (64%), Eric (14%)
16:57:11 [PatH]: zakim, mute me
16:57:11 [Zakim]: PatH should now be muted
16:57:23 [MacTed]: scribe was breaking up
16:57:30 [Zakim]: -AndyS
16:57:42 [AndyS]: Oh dear
16:58:33 [PatH]: scrumpy rules.
16:58:36 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
16:58:46 [AndyS]: zakim, IPcaller is me
16:58:46 [Zakim]: +AndyS; got it
16:58:48 [PatH]: noise...
16:58:54 [JeremyCarroll]: Zakim, mute AndyS
16:58:54 [Zakim]: AndyS should now be muted
16:59:30 [AndyS]: ericP: try to cover 3 cases
16:59:40 [AndyS]: ... stores in RDF DB
16:59:49 [AndyS]: ... store in doc 1 and add header to dft graph
16:59:55 [davidwood]: EricP: See his syntax above, where someone GETs graphs.
17:00:11 [cygri]: it covers mine
17:00:12 [AndyS]: ... store in doc1 in an dft doc nfo on this
17:00:25 [AndyS]: I am scribing
17:00:40 [PatH]: it covers enough to give rise to much discussion...
17:01:00 [AndyS]: sandro (is unclear to the scribe)
17:01:15 [Zakim]: -Sandro
17:01:36 [PatH]: sandro: may be other cases.
17:01:42 [davidwood]: EricP has covered the two variants of the use case as I have seen them.
17:01:55 [Zakim]: +Sandro
17:01:58 [AndyS]: ack me
17:02:01 [ericP]: ack me
17:02:22 [AndyS]: I'll pass
17:02:36 [davidwood]: ack Sandro
17:02:38 [Zakim]: -AndyS
17:02:50 [ericP]: scribenick: ericP
17:03:22 [ericP]: sandro: [silence]
17:03:58 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
17:04:01 [davidwood]: Zakim must be forked. I hear some.
17:04:03 [AndyS]: zakim, IPCAller is me
17:04:03 [Zakim]: +AndyS; got it
17:04:08 [PatH]: Zakim is getting tired.
17:04:23 [AndyS]: david: bad conditions
17:04:38 [AndyS]: ... regards for the holidays
17:04:43 [AndyS]: ADJOURNED
17:04:47 [yvesr]: bye!
17:04:47 [pchampin]: thanks
17:04:48 [Zakim]: -davidwood
17:04:49 [AndyS]: next meeting Jan 4.
17:04:50 [Zakim]: -Sandro
17:04:50 [Zakim]: -JeremyCarroll
17:04:51 [Zakim]: -MacTed
17:04:52 [Guus]: bye
17:04:53 [Zakim]: -yvesr
17:04:54 [AZ]: bye
17:04:54 [PatH]: eric, can you email that example?
17:04:55 [Zakim]: -Peter_Patel-Schneider
17:04:56 [cygri]: thanks david!
17:04:59 [Zakim]: -AndyS
17:04:59 [Zakim]: -gavinc
17:05:01 [Zakim]: -pchampin
17:05:02 [Zakim]: -cygri
17:05:05 [Zakim]: -Eric
17:05:10 [Zakim]: -AlexHall
17:05:14 [Zakim]: -AZ
17:05:15 [Zakim]: -Scott_Bauer
17:05:16 [PatH]: muted merry Xmas to all.
17:05:16 [AlexHall]: AlexHall has left #rdf-wg
17:06:02 [Zakim]: -Guus
17:35:00 [Zakim]: disconnecting the lone participant, PatH, in SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
17:35:02 [Zakim]: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
17:35:05 [Zakim]: Attendees were +31.20.598.aaaa, Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, +1.540.898.aabb, +1.707.861.aacc, +1.415.586.aadd, MacTed, AndyS, JeremyCarroll, cygri, Guus, gavinc, AZ, yvesr,
17:35:09 [Zakim]: ... Scott_Bauer, +1.443.212.aaee, AlexHall, davidwood, +1.760.705.aaff, pchampin, PatH, Eric
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