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09:59:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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09:59:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:59:29 <trackbot> Date: 21 December 2011
10:01:23 <raphael> Chair: Erik, Raphael
10:01:26 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0027.html
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10:02:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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10:02:28 <raphael> Present: Raphael
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10:03:38 <raphael> Present+ Davy
10:03:42 <raphael> Present+ Erik
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10:05:07 <raphael> Regrets: Thomas
10:05:25 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
10:05:41 <raphael> Erik: only 3 of us, but let's close some actions
10:05:55 <doublec> I'm here on IRC
10:06:03 <raphael> Present+ Chris double
10:06:09 <raphael> Scribe: Raphael
10:06:14 <raphael> Scribenick: raphael
10:06:19 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:06:24 <dvdeurse> +1
10:06:26 <raphael> Erik: we are not that many
10:06:28 <raphael> +1
10:06:34 <erik> +1
10:06:38 <doublec> +1
10:06:41 <raphael> Erik: no objection, minutes approved
10:06:52 <raphael> Topic: 2. SPEC
10:06:57 <raphael> ACTION-249?
10:06:57 <trackbot> ACTION-249 -- Raphaël Troncy to tidy up the spec before December 24th -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN
10:06:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/249
10:07:37 <raphael> Raphael: I will have tidy up the document before next week telecon
10:07:51 <raphael> Erik: 2 new email threads
10:08:04 <raphael> ... 1/ rounding spatial fragments
10:08:23 <dvdeurse> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0015.html
10:09:08 <raphael> Raphael: is there some concrete text proposal to replace?
10:10:15 <dvdeurse> we add it here: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#valid-uri-spatial
10:10:27 <dvdeurse> s/we add/we could add
10:13:13 <raphael> Raphael: section 6.1.2 seems indeed the right place to clarify how rounding should occur
10:13:23 <raphael> ... we need a concrete text suggestion to put here
10:13:33 <raphael> Erik: should we ask Silvia / Philip ?
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10:16:06 <silvia> what rounding?
10:17:02 <silvia> ah I guess these values have to be integers: a/w*100,b/h*100,c/w*100,d/h*100
10:17:33 <raphael> Silvia, we are talking about the thread of Philip, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0015.html
10:18:02 <silvia> foolip suggested rounding outwards, and I agree
10:18:55 <silvia> raphael, I was talking about that, too, and in the place that dvdeurse suggested, which I agree with
10:20:38 <silvia> so it should be: floor(a/w*100), floor(b/h*100), ceil(c/w*100), ceil(d/h*100)
10:20:56 <raphael> Erik: I will email Philip to ask him for a concrete text proposal to go into section 6.1.2
10:21:34 <raphael> Raphael: yes Silvia, but we need some text to explain the issue to the reader, we cannot put just this sentence
10:22:11 <silvia> no, we can just replace what's there with these values
10:22:11 <raphael> Erik: other issue, BNF-syntax on wall-clock, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0000.html
10:22:31 <silvia> xywh=percent:a,b,c,d with a+c <= 100, b+d <= 100: the UA displays a spatial fragment with coordinates (in pixel xywh format) a/w*100,b/h*100,c/w*100,d/h*100 (the normal percent case).
10:22:37 <silvia> ^ it's in this text line
10:24:14 <raphael> ok, thanks Silvia !
10:24:37 <erik> agree with Silvia :)
10:24:54 <raphael> ACTION: Raphael to change in section 6.1.2 the last valid spatial fragment with the text suggested by Silvia/Philip
10:24:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-252 - Change in section 6.1.2 the last valid spatial fragment with the text suggested by Silvia/Philip [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-12-28].
10:27:19 <raphael> ACTION: Raphael to update the section 4.2.1.3 (Wall Clock time code) with the concrete proposal from Christoph at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0000.html
10:27:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-253 - Update the section 4.2.1.3 (Wall Clock time code) with the concrete proposal from Christoph at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0000.html [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-12-28].
10:27:44 <raphael> Topic: 3. TEST CASES AND IMPLEMENTATIONS
10:27:50 <raphael> ACTION-250?
10:27:50 <trackbot> ACTION-250 -- Davy Van Deursen to tidy up the implementation report before December 24th -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN
10:27:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/250
10:28:09 <raphael> Done ... section headings have been changed
10:28:13 <raphael> close ACTION-250
10:28:13 <trackbot> ACTION-250 Tidy up the implementation report before December 24th closed
10:28:52 <raphael> Raphael: should we put in this document that we have also "producer" of media fragments?
10:29:36 <raphael> Erik: should we point to mediafragments.org or the wiki page?
10:29:53 <raphael> Raphael: add a sentence or a ref somewhere?
10:29:59 <raphael> Davy: ok I will do that
10:30:05 <raphael> ACTION-245?
10:30:05 <trackbot> ACTION-245 -- Raphaël Troncy to clarify whether Dailymotion will provide an implementation or not -- due 2011-12-07 -- OPEN
10:30:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/245
10:30:33 <raphael> ACTION: davy to complete the implementation report mentioning the other type of implementations
10:30:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-254 - Complete the implementation report mentioning the other type of implementations [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2011-12-28].
10:31:24 <raphael> close ACTION-245
10:31:24 <trackbot> ACTION-245 Clarify whether Dailymotion will provide an implementation or not closed
10:31:43 <raphael> Raphael: we will not get an implementation report on time regarding Dailymotion implementation
10:31:59 <raphael> ... but we will follow up this important implementation for the showcase portal
10:32:34 <silvia> why does Dailymotion's implementation count?
10:32:43 <silvia> they are not even using the same syntax
10:32:48 <raphael> Raphael: it does not Silvia
10:32:57 <silvia> ok, cool
10:33:01 <raphael> ... I think you haven't followed the thread ...
10:33:06 <silvia> because otherwise YouTube might have counted, too
10:33:11 <raphael> ... they will change the syntax to be compliant
10:33:22 <silvia> just saying that right now they are not
10:33:37 <raphael> ... if YouTube changes its syntax, and passes the test cases, they will count :-)
10:33:41 <raphael> ... this is what we are saying
10:34:15 <raphael> Raphael: announcement, Noterik in NL is also implementing Media Fragments URI ... a first product available in Feb 2012
10:34:26 <raphael> ACTION-251?
10:34:26 <trackbot> ACTION-251 -- Erik Mannens to contact the Europeana developers to check the feasibility of having a new implementation report -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN
10:34:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/251
10:34:30 <raphael> close ACTION-251
10:34:30 <trackbot> ACTION-251 Contact the Europeana developers to check the feasibility of having a new implementation report closed
10:34:51 <raphael> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0026.html
10:35:17 <raphael> Topic: 4. UPDATE ACTION LIST
10:35:24 <raphael> ACTION-240?
10:35:24 <trackbot> ACTION-240 -- Raphaël Troncy to create a first draft of this page on the wiki before designing the web site -- due 2011-10-12 -- OPEN
10:35:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/240
10:35:30 <raphael> close ACTION-240
10:35:30 <trackbot> ACTION-240 Create a first draft of this page on the wiki before designing the web site closed
10:35:37 <raphael> See http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Showcase
10:36:27 <raphael> Raphael: we should really edit this page and complete it as soon as we come across a new implementation
10:36:37 <erik> +1
10:36:42 <raphael> @Silvia, if you hear about something, could you please edit this page too?
10:36:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:37:35 <raphael> Topic: 5. AOB
10:37:40 <raphael> none
10:37:44 <raphael> meeting adjourned
10:37:50 <Zakim> -raphael
10:37:51 <Zakim> -Erik
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10:37:55 <Zakim> Attendees were +33.4.93.00.aaaa, raphael, +329331aabb, Erik, Davy
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10:39:20 <raphael> zakim, bye
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10:39:24 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
10:39:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Raphael to change in section 6.1.2 the last valid spatial fragment with the text suggested by Silvia/Philip [1]
10:39:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-irc#T10-24-54
10:39:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Raphael to update the section 4.2.1.3 (Wall Clock time code) with the concrete proposal from Christoph at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0000.html [2]
10:39:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-irc#T10-27-19
10:39:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: davy to complete the implementation report mentioning the other type of implementations [3]
10:39:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-irc#T10-30-33