17:45:38 RRSAgent has joined #text 17:45:38 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-text-irc 17:45:49 zakim, code? 17:45:49 sorry, Judy, I don't know what conference this is 17:48:17 zakim, this will be WAI_PF(Text) 17:48:17 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Judy 17:48:32 zakim, room for 8 at 1pm? 17:48:33 I don't understand your question, Judy. 17:49:27 zakim, room for 8 at 1:00p? 17:49:28 ok, Judy; conference Team_(text)18:00Z scheduled with code 2119 (A11Y) at 13:00 for 60 minutes until 1900Z 17:49:57 agenda+ bug triage check (needs info, etc) for text-related bugs 17:49:57 agenda+ longdesc survey timing 17:49:57 agenda+ update on discussion and change request for WG location for alt guidance 17:49:57 agenda+ update on meta name generator? 17:49:57 agenda+ update on title? 17:49:58 agenda+ confirming generated content taken up by UAWG? 17:50:00 agenda+ update on fig caption? 17:50:02 agenda+ confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn. 18:00:55 Team_(text)18:00Z has now started 18:01:02 +Judy 18:02:04 +[IPcaller] 18:02:32 janina has joined #text 18:02:58 +??P6 18:03:23 zakim, ??P6 is Janina_Sajka 18:03:23 +Janina_Sajka; got it 18:03:27 zakim, who's on the phone? 18:03:27 On the phone I see Judy, [IPcaller], Janina_Sajka 18:03:49 zakim, [IPcaller] is Leonie_Watson 18:03:49 +Leonie_Watson; got it 18:05:28 Meeting: HTML A11Y TF Text Sub-group 18:05:45 Chair: Judy 18:05:51 Regrets: John, Michael 18:06:33 zakim, take up first item 18:06:33 I don't understand 'take up first item', Judy 18:06:40 zakim, take up next item 18:06:40 agendum 1. "bug triage check (needs info, etc) for text-related bugs" taken up [from Judy] 18:10:23 JB: what is the status of text-related bugs, in the bug triage review 18:10:33 LW: rechecking among the ones that we have pulled out 18:10:45 JB: defer briefly for now 18:10:51 zakim, take up next item 18:10:51 agendum 2. "longdesc survey timing" taken up [from Judy] 18:12:15 JB: Janina were the Chairs saying that they would send the longdesc re-survey out in mid-January? 18:12:34 scribe: Judy 18:12:56 JS: checking TF minutes 18:14:23 ...they were hoping to have the final review of the change proposals out before holiday break. one down, another to go. no commitment on survey, acc to minutes. 18:17:12 JB & JS, re-check w/ Chairs on planned timing of survey 18:17:43 zakim, take up next item 18:17:43 agendum 3. "update on discussion and change request for WG location for alt guidance" taken up [from Judy] 18:20:24 JB: [side discussion] still some accessibility problems with bugzilla interface 18:20:42 s/interface/interface?/ 18:21:24 LW: some combination of accessibility and usability issues 18:22:14 JB: talked with M. Cooper, still needs to discuss w/ Steve F., and then revise some parts of his proposal. Pending, but MC will contact SF to schedule discussion. 18:22:43 zakim, take up next item 18:22:43 agendum 4. "update on meta name generator?" taken up [from Judy] 18:23:04 JB: any update on meeting w/ SF on meta name generator? 18:24:09 JS: I will meet with SF over the holidays 18:24:48 zakim, take up next item 18:24:48 agendum 5. "update on title?" taken up [from Judy] 18:25:18 JB: update...? 18:25:34 JS: same situation, need a conversation w/ SF, will happen over the holidays 18:31:21 agenda+ status of bugs on removing inaccurate alt guidance from core spec? 18:31:38 zakim, take up item 9 18:31:38 agendum 9. "status of bugs on removing inaccurate alt guidance from core spec?" taken up [from Judy] 18:32:04 JB: what about the status of the bugs about removing incorrect alt guidance from the spec? 18:32:37 LW: these were assigned to Steve F, not sure the exact status, but these are not corrected yet 18:33:28 JB: may ping steve f for an update on these, then talk w/ Co-Chairs 18:34:18 JS: yes, concerned about scattered odd comments about accessibility throughout the doc; need to also be addressing these, in addition to the technical guidance 18:37:01 JB: do these things have a text flag for these items 18:38:18 LW: yes, but not working well at the moment. will ping MC for suggestions. 18:38:34 zakim, take up next item 18:38:34 agendum 5. "update on title?" taken up [from Judy] 18:38:48 zakim, close this item 18:38:48 agendum 5 closed 18:38:49 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:38:51 6. confirming generated content taken up by UAWG? [from Judy] 18:38:57 zakim, take up next item 18:38:57 agendum 6. "confirming generated content taken up by UAWG?" taken up [from Judy] 18:39:51 JB: UAWG is reviewing the generated content item still, and will probably commit to taking it up, but might have advice back to TF as well; keep monitoring this item till confirm closed. 18:39:55 zakim, take up next item 18:39:55 agendum 6 was just opened, Judy 18:40:06 zakim, take up next item 18:40:06 agendum 7. "update on fig caption?" taken up [from Judy] 18:41:43 JB: interested in current status of fig caption in bugzilla? 18:43:45 LeonieW has joined #text 18:45:22 ALL: searching... 18:45:38 ...there are at least two relevant bugs 18:45:39 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Aug/0179.html 18:45:39 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0943.html 18:50:15 JB: long discussion on the actual bugtracker, haven't been getting notifications. available here: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651 18:50:38 ...reminders that example sets and usability feedback were in progress at one point, need to resume 18:50:47 ...and need to reply to Sam's qu from yesterday. 18:51:19 JS: need examples & use cases. 18:52:09 JB: had already documented examples; need to write them up for user testing 18:52:26 LW: found another bug relating to fig caption 18:52:34 s/found/just found/ 18:52:34 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9876 18:53:44 agenda? 18:54:02 JB: resume write-up of test examples 18:54:09 zakim, take up last item 18:54:09 I don't understand 'take up last item', Judy 18:54:15 zakim, take up next item 18:54:15 agendum 8. "confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn." taken up [from Judy] 18:54:31 zakim, take up item 1 18:54:31 agendum 1. "bug triage check (needs info, etc) for text-related bugs" taken up [from Judy] 18:54:45 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=a11y_text-alt&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=NEEDSINFO 18:56:18 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=a11y_text-alt 18:58:43 JB: LW, thanks for bug searches on this 18:58:54 JB: JS, how being tracked? 18:59:16 LW: We are assigning, and then we are tracking and reminding. 19:01:22 JB: concerned about availability of some assignees... 19:05:06 All: looking through comprehensive bug list, of accessibility-tagged 19:05:21 LW: we need to re-assign the "needs info" bugs 19:07:26 JB: but what about the "won't fix" bugs? 19:07:44 LW: We need to check with all the regular filers 19:08:00 JS: and we need to escalate to an issue by mid-Jan, by then. 19:09:40 JS: we need to schedule extra meetings... may need to schedule extra meetings the first week of January 19:09:52 JB: do a deadline marathon? 19:10:00 ...hmmm 19:10:18 LW: expand bug triage meeting that week? 19:11:15 zakim, take up next item 19:11:15 agendum 8. "confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn." taken up [from Judy] 19:12:12 JB: wondering about the 3rd as well...? 19:12:22 ...and then the 10th? 19:13:17 LW: there may be many labeled "fixed" where we don't agree with the resolution 19:13:34 JB: right, that was the ones I was referring to 19:15:14 JS could you chair a Jan 3rd call if I queue up a notice, and ping people in advance? and then we do an extended meeting the following meet? 19:16:16 ...and if Michael can be available... 19:16:28 ...and with links and bugs list to search... 19:17:37 s/the following meet/the following week/ 19:18:02 LW: can be backup for chairing that meeting 19:18:11 ...on Jan 3rd 19:19:09 -Leonie_Watson 19:21:12 -Janina_Sajka 19:22:36 -Judy 19:22:37 Team_(text)18:00Z has ended 19:22:39 Attendees were Judy, Janina_Sajka, Leonie_Watson 19:23:08 rrsagent, make log world 19:23:15 rrsagent, make minutes 19:23:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-text-minutes.html Judy