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09:59:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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09:59:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:59:58 <trackbot> Date: 14 December 2011
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10:00:45 <Zakim> +raphael
10:01:03 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0008.html
10:01:10 <raphael> Chair: Erik, Raphael
10:01:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:02:40 <Zakim> +Yves
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10:05:08 <raphael> Present: Erik, Raphael, Yves, Silvia, Thomas
10:05:21 <raphael> Present+: Davy
10:05:29 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
10:07:23 <Zakim> +tomayac
10:08:09 <raphael> Scribe: Raphael
10:08:11 <raphael> Scribenick: raphael
10:08:18 <tomayac> +1
10:08:26 <erik> +1
10:08:28 <Yves> +1
10:08:31 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:08:33 <raphael> +1
10:08:38 <raphael> minutes accepted
10:08:44 <silvia> +1
10:08:46 <raphael> Topic: 2. SPEC
10:09:22 <raphael> Erik: splitting the document to remove the features at risk
10:09:32 <raphael> ACTIOn-247?
10:09:32 <trackbot> ACTION-247 -- Raphaël Troncy to mail the group about the decision of what will be in the spec and what will not -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN
10:09:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/247
10:09:38 <tomayac> +1 for splitting, as explained in the email
10:09:48 <raphael> close ACTION-247
10:09:48 <trackbot> ACTION-247 Mail the group about the decision of what will be in the spec and what will not closed
10:09:50 <raphael> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0009.html
10:11:02 <raphael> Erik: +1 from Silvia on the mailing list
10:11:11 <silvia> I'm supportive, too :-) indeed
10:11:19 <raphael> ... Philip asked what are the interoperable implementations of #xywh
10:11:32 <raphael> Erik: if we look at the implementation reports, this is clear
10:11:45 <Yves> I wonder about recipes vs adjuncts as a name, but that's pretty minor (as we stuff more things that the network related recipes)
10:11:46 <raphael> Raphael: there is also a clear usage plan from the CSS/SVG community
10:12:23 <raphael> Raphael: I agree with that Yves, and more because there will be more dimensions in this document, thus my proposal to named it "advanced"
10:12:31 <raphael> ... we can discuss about the short name
10:12:43 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-impl/
10:12:45 <Yves> in a way, SMPTE and clock _could_ be kept in the first one (as flavours of 'time' dimension), but ok to move them to advanced
10:13:29 <raphael> Erik: 2 implementations from the report, js implementation from Thomas and Ninsuna from IBBT
10:13:34 <tomayac> i would push them to advanced, and only keep npt, too
10:14:18 <raphael> Raphael: there is also an implementation, although not tested, from the Europeana community
10:14:23 <Yves> xywh should be kept, IMHO
10:14:43 <erik> +1 to Yves (from both Davy & Erik)
10:15:06 <raphael> Philip: (from the mailing list) I have questioned the validity of a polyphil (the mediafragment.js) implementation as a valid one we should consider
10:15:17 <tomayac> +1 for keeping xywh from my side, too
10:15:31 <raphael> Erik: everybody except Philip clearly votes for considering that #xywh has sufficient support and implementations
10:16:13 <raphael> ACTION-249?
10:16:13 <trackbot> ACTION-249 -- Raphaël Troncy to tidy up the spec before December 24th -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN
10:16:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/249
10:16:16 <raphael> ... still open
10:16:30 <raphael> Raphael: I have booked 2 full days next week to do it
10:16:36 <raphael> ACTIOn-248?
10:16:36 <trackbot> ACTION-248 -- Erik Mannens to write a mail with our timeline to check approval with Philippe -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN
10:16:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/248
10:16:40 <raphael> close ACTION-248
10:16:41 <trackbot> ACTION-248 Write a mail with our timeline to check approval with Philippe closed
10:17:08 <raphael> Erik: Philip indicates in an email that he supports the transition to PR in early January given the recent progress of the working group
10:17:22 <raphael> ... Philip also asked to do the PR request on the 2nd / 3rd January
10:17:34 <raphael> ... and have the transition call on January 8-9
10:17:39 <raphael> Yves: yep
10:17:40 <tomayac> +1 for the suggested timeline
10:17:46 <erik> ok for Erik too
10:17:51 <raphael> ok for me
10:18:06 <silvia> ok for me
10:18:17 <raphael> Topic: 3. TEST CASES AND IMPLEMENTATIONS
10:18:28 <raphael> ACTIOn-250?
10:18:28 <trackbot> ACTION-250 -- Davy Van Deursen to tidy up the implementation report before December 24th -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN
10:18:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/250
10:19:04 <raphael> Erik: let's keep the action open, there is still a bit tidy up to do
10:20:47 <raphael> Raphael: propose to rename the sections into something like "Implementation Report for Media Fragments Basics" and "Implementation Report for Media Fragments Advanced"
10:20:57 <raphael> ... to match the 2 new documents
10:21:01 <raphael> ACTION-251?
10:21:01 <trackbot> ACTION-251 -- Erik Mannens to contact the Europeana developers to check the feasibility of having a new implementation report -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN
10:21:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/251
10:21:33 <raphael> Erik: I contacted them, and get a reply, confirming that they support media fragments (spatial and soon temporal)
10:21:50 <raphael> ... no implementation report yet
10:21:57 <raphael> ... I will continue to chase them
10:22:11 <raphael> ACTION-245?
10:22:11 <trackbot> ACTION-245 -- Raphaël Troncy to clarify whether Dailymotion will provide an implementation or not -- due 2011-12-07 -- OPEN
10:22:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/245
10:23:59 <raphael> I'm finalizing an email 
10:24:54 <raphael> ... explaining what DM currently supports and does not support
10:24:57 <raphael> ... in details
10:25:31 <raphael> Raphael: we keep the action open, and let the possibility that DM might be able to be on time to produce an implementation report partial before the end of the year
10:25:51 <raphael> Topic: 4. UPDATE ACTION LIST
10:25:55 <raphael> ACTION-240
10:26:02 <raphael> ACTION-240?
10:26:03 <trackbot> ACTION-240 -- Raphaël Troncy to create a first draft of this page on the wiki before designing the web site -- due 2011-10-12 -- OPEN
10:26:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/240
10:26:42 <raphael> Raphael: I own mediafragments.org
10:27:18 <raphael> ... plan to implement a simple portal to showcase the existing applications / implementations
10:27:23 <raphael> ... will be do next year
10:27:41 <raphael> ... for now, distribute a call for being aware of the existing implementations
10:27:51 <raphael> ... I will start to edit this wiki page
10:28:13 <raphael> Topic: 5. AOB
10:28:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:28:25 <raphael> Erik: silence
10:28:52 <tomayac> regrets for next week
10:28:59 <tomayac> on vacation already
10:29:24 <raphael> [meeting adjourned]
10:29:31 <tomayac> regrets for the phoneconf on the 28th then
10:29:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:30:00 <Zakim> -tomayac
10:33:05 <silvia> bye!
10:36:25 <Zakim> -raphael
10:36:27 <Zakim> -Erik
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11:05:06 <Zakim> Attendees were raphael, Yves, Erik, tomayac
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