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13:26:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
13:26:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:26:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
13:26:41 <trackbot> Date: 14 December 2011
13:27:38 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:28:01 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Dec/0001.html
13:28:14 <shadi> agenda+ Updated schema conformance
13:28:24 <shadi> agenda+ Updated direction for Guide
13:28:36 <shadi> agenda+ Remaining open issues
13:28:48 <shadi> agenda+ Domain of TestMode
13:29:02 <shadi> agenda+ Next meetings
13:30:39 <philipA> philipA has joined #er
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13:31:03 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:31:03 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:31:04 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:31:05 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:31:24 <Zakim> +??P2
13:31:47 <philipA> Zakim, ??P2 is philipA
13:31:47 <Zakim> +philipA; got it
13:32:15 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
13:32:44 <Zakim> + +90500023aaaa
13:33:00 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Emmanuelle
13:33:00 <Zakim> +Emmanuelle; got it
13:33:16 <carlos> carlos has joined #er
13:34:12 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
13:34:23 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: philipA (34%)
13:34:55 <shadi> zakim, mute philipa
13:34:55 <Zakim> philipA should now be muted
13:35:03 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
13:35:13 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Christophe_Strobbe (59%)
13:35:42 <cstrobbe> zakim, mute me
13:35:42 <Zakim> sorry, cstrobbe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:36:00 <carlos> zakim does not like my passcode
13:36:02 <cstrobbe> zakim, i am christophe_strobbe
13:36:02 <Zakim> ok, cstrobbe, I now associate you with Christophe_Strobbe
13:36:09 <cstrobbe> zakim, mute me
13:36:09 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
13:36:18 <carlos> :-(
13:36:37 <sinarmaya> sinarmaya has joined #er
13:36:55 <shadi> maybe you were not being friendly to zakim recently?
13:38:49 <shadi> carlos? still having issues?
13:38:57 <carlos> yes
13:40:16 <Zakim> +??P12
13:40:48 <carlos> w8
13:40:57 <carlos> yes
13:41:00 <Zakim> -??P12
13:41:28 <Zakim> +??P12
13:42:32 <carlos> yes
13:42:37 <Zakim> -??P12
13:42:52 <shadi> agenda?
13:43:05 <philipA> zakim, unmute philipA
13:43:05 <Zakim> philipA should no longer be muted
13:43:12 <shadi> scribe: philipA
13:43:26 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:44:38 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:44:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Updated schema conformance" taken up [from shadi]
13:44:42 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20111205#conformance
13:45:08 <philipA> Shadi: new editor draft, but still work to be done
13:45:09 <cstrobbe> zakim, unmute me
13:45:09 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
13:45:48 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-EARL10-Guide-20110510/#conformance
13:46:30 <philipA> Shadi: reworded and simplified the initial section of the conformance section
13:47:00 <philipA> Shadi: please have a look at that
13:48:03 <philipA> Shadi: please check if that can be further simplified
13:50:11 <philipA> Christophe: should it include information about the serialization?
13:50:39 <philipA> Shadi: no, at the moment it only contains information about the RDF graph
13:51:50 <philipA> Shadi: we could include some DTD / XML Schema that tools should conform to, if they produce XML serialization
13:54:06 <philipA> Shadi: not as requirement, but as suggestion
13:54:19 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:54:19 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Updated direction for Guide" taken up [from shadi]
13:54:31 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20111205#assertion
13:54:56 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20111205#toc
13:56:21 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:56:24 <philipA> Shadi: links between guide and the schema document
13:56:42 <philipA> Shadi: schema document contains the minimal information
13:57:36 <philipA> Shadi: minimal information: definition, related properties, related classes, examples
13:57:48 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:58:36 <philipA> Shadi: guide would contain more verbose information: usual usage, different types of examples
13:59:51 <philipA> Shadi: please read from introduction (1.) to section 3.2
14:01:17 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:01:17 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Remaining open issues" taken up [from shadi]
14:01:41 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues
14:02:30 <philipA> Shadi: Issue "Explain more clearly the relationship between the generic class and the refined classes"
14:02:45 <philipA> Shadi: explanation would go to the guide
14:04:33 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011Sep/0000.html
14:06:07 <philipA> Shadi: DC for example is very flexible, they use very few domains and ranges
14:06:17 <philipA> Shadi: FOAF for example is very strict
14:06:45 <shadi> s/very strict/more strict
14:08:13 <philipA> Shadi: as long as there are no really convincing arguments don't open this up
14:08:21 <philipA> Shadi: please think about that
14:08:34 <philipA> Shadi: discuss this again next year
14:10:28 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:10:28 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Domain of TestMode" taken up [from shadi]
14:10:56 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Dec/0002.html
14:15:24 <philipA> Shadi: I think you will need a new property
14:19:38 <philipA> Shadi: new property would describe how a test should be carried out
14:19:39 <sinarmaya> I agree with Shadi, because I think that "criterion" is a very wcag specific term.
14:20:23 <philipA> Shadi: the current earl:mode property describes how the test has been carried out
14:21:07 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:21:08 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Next meetings" taken up [from shadi]
14:24:52 <shadi> http://w3c-test.org/framework/
14:26:51 <philipA> Shadi: think about how to structure the test suite, e.g. use a wiki, set up a w3c framework instance
14:28:00 <Zakim> -Emmanuelle
14:28:02 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
14:28:04 <Zakim> -philipA
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14:28:11 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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14:28:44 <shadi> zakim, drop me
14:28:44 <Zakim> Shadi is being disconnected
14:28:45 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:28:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, philipA, Christophe_Strobbe, +90500023aaaa, Emmanuelle, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:28:56 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:28:56 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:28:56 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:28:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:28:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-er-minutes.html trackbot
14:28:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:28:58 <RRSAgent> I see no action items