IRC log of er on 2011-12-14

Timestamps are in UTC.

13:26:35 [RRSAgent]
RRSAgent has joined #er
13:26:35 [RRSAgent]
logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-er-irc
13:26:37 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, make logs public
13:26:37 [Zakim]
Zakim has joined #er
13:26:39 [trackbot]
Zakim, this will be 3794
13:26:40 [Zakim]
ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:26:40 [trackbot]
Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
13:26:41 [trackbot]
Date: 14 December 2011
13:27:38 [shadi]
chair: Shadi
13:28:01 [shadi]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Dec/0001.html
13:28:14 [shadi]
agenda+ Updated schema conformance
13:28:24 [shadi]
agenda+ Updated direction for Guide
13:28:36 [shadi]
agenda+ Remaining open issues
13:28:48 [shadi]
agenda+ Domain of TestMode
13:29:02 [shadi]
agenda+ Next meetings
13:30:39 [philipA]
philipA has joined #er
13:30:49 [cstrobbe]
cstrobbe has joined #er
13:31:03 [shadi]
zakim, call shadi-617
13:31:03 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:31:04 [Zakim]
WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:31:05 [Zakim]
+Shadi
13:31:24 [Zakim]
+??P2
13:31:47 [philipA]
Zakim, ??P2 is philipA
13:31:47 [Zakim]
+philipA; got it
13:32:15 [Zakim]
+Christophe_Strobbe
13:32:44 [Zakim]
+ +90500023aaaa
13:33:00 [shadi]
zakim, aaaa is Emmanuelle
13:33:00 [Zakim]
+Emmanuelle; got it
13:33:16 [carlos]
carlos has joined #er
13:34:12 [shadi]
zakim, who is making noise?
13:34:23 [Zakim]
shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: philipA (34%)
13:34:55 [shadi]
zakim, mute philipa
13:34:55 [Zakim]
philipA should now be muted
13:35:03 [shadi]
zakim, who is making noise?
13:35:13 [Zakim]
shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Christophe_Strobbe (59%)
13:35:42 [cstrobbe]
zakim, mute me
13:35:42 [Zakim]
sorry, cstrobbe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:36:00 [carlos]
zakim does not like my passcode
13:36:02 [cstrobbe]
zakim, i am christophe_strobbe
13:36:02 [Zakim]
ok, cstrobbe, I now associate you with Christophe_Strobbe
13:36:09 [cstrobbe]
zakim, mute me
13:36:09 [Zakim]
Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
13:36:18 [carlos]
:-(
13:36:37 [sinarmaya]
sinarmaya has joined #er
13:36:55 [shadi]
maybe you were not being friendly to zakim recently?
13:38:49 [shadi]
carlos? still having issues?
13:38:57 [carlos]
yes
13:40:16 [Zakim]
+??P12
13:40:48 [carlos]
w8
13:40:57 [carlos]
yes
13:41:00 [Zakim]
-??P12
13:41:28 [Zakim]
+??P12
13:42:32 [carlos]
yes
13:42:37 [Zakim]
-??P12
13:42:52 [shadi]
agenda?
13:43:05 [philipA]
zakim, unmute philipA
13:43:05 [Zakim]
philipA should no longer be muted
13:43:12 [shadi]
scribe: philipA
13:43:26 [Zakim]
+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:44:38 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
13:44:38 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Updated schema conformance" taken up [from shadi]
13:44:42 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20111205#conformance
13:45:08 [philipA]
Shadi: new editor draft, but still work to be done
13:45:09 [cstrobbe]
zakim, unmute me
13:45:09 [Zakim]
Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
13:45:48 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-EARL10-Guide-20110510/#conformance
13:46:30 [philipA]
Shadi: reworded and simplified the initial section of the conformance section
13:47:00 [philipA]
Shadi: please have a look at that
13:48:03 [philipA]
Shadi: please check if that can be further simplified
13:50:11 [philipA]
Christophe: should it include information about the serialization?
13:50:39 [philipA]
Shadi: no, at the moment it only contains information about the RDF graph
13:51:50 [philipA]
Shadi: we could include some DTD / XML Schema that tools should conform to, if they produce XML serialization
13:54:06 [philipA]
Shadi: not as requirement, but as suggestion
13:54:19 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
13:54:19 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Updated direction for Guide" taken up [from shadi]
13:54:31 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20111205#assertion
13:54:56 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20111205#toc
13:56:21 [Zakim]
-Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:56:24 [philipA]
Shadi: links between guide and the schema document
13:56:42 [philipA]
Shadi: schema document contains the minimal information
13:57:36 [philipA]
Shadi: minimal information: definition, related properties, related classes, examples
13:57:48 [Zakim]
+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:58:36 [philipA]
Shadi: guide would contain more verbose information: usual usage, different types of examples
13:59:51 [philipA]
Shadi: please read from introduction (1.) to section 3.2
14:01:17 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
14:01:17 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Remaining open issues" taken up [from shadi]
14:01:41 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues
14:02:30 [philipA]
Shadi: Issue "Explain more clearly the relationship between the generic class and the refined classes"
14:02:45 [philipA]
Shadi: explanation would go to the guide
14:04:33 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011Sep/0000.html
14:06:07 [philipA]
Shadi: DC for example is very flexible, they use very few domains and ranges
14:06:17 [philipA]
Shadi: FOAF for example is very strict
14:06:45 [shadi]
s/very strict/more strict
14:08:13 [philipA]
Shadi: as long as there are no really convincing arguments don't open this up
14:08:21 [philipA]
Shadi: please think about that
14:08:34 [philipA]
Shadi: discuss this again next year
14:10:28 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
14:10:28 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Domain of TestMode" taken up [from shadi]
14:10:56 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Dec/0002.html
14:15:24 [philipA]
Shadi: I think you will need a new property
14:19:38 [philipA]
Shadi: new property would describe how a test should be carried out
14:19:39 [sinarmaya]
I agree with Shadi, because I think that "criterion" is a very wcag specific term.
14:20:23 [philipA]
Shadi: the current earl:mode property describes how the test has been carried out
14:21:07 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
14:21:08 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "Next meetings" taken up [from shadi]
14:24:52 [shadi]
http://w3c-test.org/framework/
14:26:51 [philipA]
Shadi: think about how to structure the test suite, e.g. use a wiki, set up a w3c framework instance
14:28:00 [Zakim]
-Emmanuelle
14:28:02 [Zakim]
-Christophe_Strobbe
14:28:04 [Zakim]
-philipA
14:28:05 [sinarmaya]
sinarmaya has left #er
14:28:11 [Zakim]
-Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:28:25 [philipA]
philipA has left #er
14:28:44 [shadi]
zakim, drop me
14:28:44 [Zakim]
Shadi is being disconnected
14:28:45 [Zakim]
WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:28:47 [Zakim]
Attendees were Shadi, philipA, Christophe_Strobbe, +90500023aaaa, Emmanuelle, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:28:56 [shadi]
trackbot, end meeting
14:28:56 [trackbot]
Zakim, list attendees
14:28:56 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:28:57 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:28:57 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-er-minutes.html trackbot
14:28:58 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
14:28:58 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items