IRC log of er on 2011-12-14
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 3794
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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- Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 14 December 2011
- 13:27:38 [shadi]
- chair: Shadi
- 13:28:01 [shadi]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Dec/0001.html
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- agenda+ Updated schema conformance
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- agenda+ Updated direction for Guide
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- agenda+ Remaining open issues
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- agenda+ Domain of TestMode
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- agenda+ Next meetings
- 13:30:39 [philipA]
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- 13:31:03 [shadi]
- zakim, call shadi-617
- 13:31:03 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; the call is being made
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- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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- +Shadi
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- +??P2
- 13:31:47 [philipA]
- Zakim, ??P2 is philipA
- 13:31:47 [Zakim]
- +philipA; got it
- 13:32:15 [Zakim]
- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- + +90500023aaaa
- 13:33:00 [shadi]
- zakim, aaaa is Emmanuelle
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- +Emmanuelle; got it
- 13:33:16 [carlos]
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- 13:34:12 [shadi]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 13:34:23 [Zakim]
- shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: philipA (34%)
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- zakim, mute philipa
- 13:34:55 [Zakim]
- philipA should now be muted
- 13:35:03 [shadi]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 13:35:13 [Zakim]
- shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Christophe_Strobbe (59%)
- 13:35:42 [cstrobbe]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:35:42 [Zakim]
- sorry, cstrobbe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 13:36:00 [carlos]
- zakim does not like my passcode
- 13:36:02 [cstrobbe]
- zakim, i am christophe_strobbe
- 13:36:02 [Zakim]
- ok, cstrobbe, I now associate you with Christophe_Strobbe
- 13:36:09 [cstrobbe]
- zakim, mute me
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- Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
- 13:36:18 [carlos]
- :-(
- 13:36:37 [sinarmaya]
- sinarmaya has joined #er
- 13:36:55 [shadi]
- maybe you were not being friendly to zakim recently?
- 13:38:49 [shadi]
- carlos? still having issues?
- 13:38:57 [carlos]
- yes
- 13:40:16 [Zakim]
- +??P12
- 13:40:48 [carlos]
- w8
- 13:40:57 [carlos]
- yes
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- -??P12
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- +??P12
- 13:42:32 [carlos]
- yes
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- -??P12
- 13:42:52 [shadi]
- agenda?
- 13:43:05 [philipA]
- zakim, unmute philipA
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- philipA should no longer be muted
- 13:43:12 [shadi]
- scribe: philipA
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- +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
- 13:44:38 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Updated schema conformance" taken up [from shadi]
- 13:44:42 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20111205#conformance
- 13:45:08 [philipA]
- Shadi: new editor draft, but still work to be done
- 13:45:09 [cstrobbe]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
- 13:45:48 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-EARL10-Guide-20110510/#conformance
- 13:46:30 [philipA]
- Shadi: reworded and simplified the initial section of the conformance section
- 13:47:00 [philipA]
- Shadi: please have a look at that
- 13:48:03 [philipA]
- Shadi: please check if that can be further simplified
- 13:50:11 [philipA]
- Christophe: should it include information about the serialization?
- 13:50:39 [philipA]
- Shadi: no, at the moment it only contains information about the RDF graph
- 13:51:50 [philipA]
- Shadi: we could include some DTD / XML Schema that tools should conform to, if they produce XML serialization
- 13:54:06 [philipA]
- Shadi: not as requirement, but as suggestion
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 2. "Updated direction for Guide" taken up [from shadi]
- 13:54:31 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20111205#assertion
- 13:54:56 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20111205#toc
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- -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
- 13:56:24 [philipA]
- Shadi: links between guide and the schema document
- 13:56:42 [philipA]
- Shadi: schema document contains the minimal information
- 13:57:36 [philipA]
- Shadi: minimal information: definition, related properties, related classes, examples
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- +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
- 13:58:36 [philipA]
- Shadi: guide would contain more verbose information: usual usage, different types of examples
- 13:59:51 [philipA]
- Shadi: please read from introduction (1.) to section 3.2
- 14:01:17 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 3. "Remaining open issues" taken up [from shadi]
- 14:01:41 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues
- 14:02:30 [philipA]
- Shadi: Issue "Explain more clearly the relationship between the generic class and the refined classes"
- 14:02:45 [philipA]
- Shadi: explanation would go to the guide
- 14:04:33 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011Sep/0000.html
- 14:06:07 [philipA]
- Shadi: DC for example is very flexible, they use very few domains and ranges
- 14:06:17 [philipA]
- Shadi: FOAF for example is very strict
- 14:06:45 [shadi]
- s/very strict/more strict
- 14:08:13 [philipA]
- Shadi: as long as there are no really convincing arguments don't open this up
- 14:08:21 [philipA]
- Shadi: please think about that
- 14:08:34 [philipA]
- Shadi: discuss this again next year
- 14:10:28 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 4. "Domain of TestMode" taken up [from shadi]
- 14:10:56 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Dec/0002.html
- 14:15:24 [philipA]
- Shadi: I think you will need a new property
- 14:19:38 [philipA]
- Shadi: new property would describe how a test should be carried out
- 14:19:39 [sinarmaya]
- I agree with Shadi, because I think that "criterion" is a very wcag specific term.
- 14:20:23 [philipA]
- Shadi: the current earl:mode property describes how the test has been carried out
- 14:21:07 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 5. "Next meetings" taken up [from shadi]
- 14:24:52 [shadi]
- http://w3c-test.org/framework/
- 14:26:51 [philipA]
- Shadi: think about how to structure the test suite, e.g. use a wiki, set up a w3c framework instance
- 14:28:00 [Zakim]
- -Emmanuelle
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -philipA
- 14:28:05 [sinarmaya]
- sinarmaya has left #er
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- -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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- philipA has left #er
- 14:28:44 [shadi]
- zakim, drop me
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- Shadi is being disconnected
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- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were Shadi, philipA, Christophe_Strobbe, +90500023aaaa, Emmanuelle, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
- 14:28:56 [shadi]
- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
- 14:28:56 [Zakim]
- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 14:28:57 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-er-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
- 14:28:58 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items