16:01:07 RRSAgent has joined #webevents 16:01:07 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/13-webevents-irc 16:01:18 ScribeNick: ArtB 16:01:19 Scribe: Art 16:01:19 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0149.html 16:01:19 Date: 13 December 2011 16:01:19 Chair: Art 16:01:19 Meeting: Web Events WG Voice Conference 16:01:24 RRSAgent, make log Public 16:01:47 ssharma2 has joined #webevents 16:02:09 RWC_WebEven()11:00AM has now started 16:02:15 +Art_Barstow 16:02:19 +Suman_Sharma 16:02:34 Present: Art_Barstow, Cathy_Chan, Suman_Sharma 16:03:59 do we have a call? 16:04:00 +Doug_Schepers 16:04:12 Present+ Doug_Schepers 16:05:44 Topic: Tweak Agenda 16:05:48 calls in 16:05:56 AB: I published a Draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0149.html. Any change requests? One addition I propose is an AoB topic at the end of the meeting. 16:06:22 +??P24 16:06:26 Cathy has joined #webevents 16:06:39 Present+ Olli_Pettay 16:06:43 Zakim, ??P24 is Olli_Pettay 16:06:43 +Olli_Pettay; got it 16:06:53 Topic: Announcements 16:06:58 AB: one announcement is that the Candidate Recommendation for the Touch Events v1 spec should be published on December 15. 16:07:11 AB: any other short announcements? 16:07:12 Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay 16:07:12 ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay 16:07:23 Topic: Status of Patent Advisory Group re Apple's patent disclosures for Touch Events v1 spec 16:07:30 AB: I don't have any new information to share on the next steps re Apple's patent disclosures http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/45559/status#current-disclosures beyond what PLH reported last month http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0142.html. 16:07:52 AB: My interpretation of the Patent Policy is a Patent Advisory Group will be started but I haven't seen anything from the W3C Staff regarding the impending PAG. 16:08:07 AB: Doug do you have any new information on this? 16:08:22 DS: I think we will be starting a PAG 16:08:35 … but not likely to start until the beginning of next year 16:09:21 AB: I want to repeat that we will *NOT* directly discuss any of the patents or patent applications in this WG 16:09:38 Topic: Charter update 16:09:45 AB: three things here. First, the CfC to add Mouse/Pointer Lock and Gamepad APIs to WebApps' charter and not WebEvents' charter http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0135.html ended. 16:10:18 AB: there were no objections to that proposal so the means those two APIs will be included in the charter the AC will review. 16:10:36 … that is the AC review of the WebApps' charter 16:10:42 AB: second, this means WebEvents will *not* have to revise its charter. 16:11:03 AB: third, FYI, the latest Draft proposal for Indie UI WG (fka Intentional Events WG) 16:11:03 http://www.w3.org/2011/11/indie-ui-charter 16:11:48 SS: is this a new WG? 16:11:52 DS: yes, that's correct 16:12:35 AB: and the idea is that what we have previously called the "Intentional Events" spec, will be a joint spec for WebEvents and this new Indie UI WG 16:13:00 Topic: Testing TEv1 spec 16:13:06 AB: we have a few sub-topics here ... 16:13:28 AB: re directory organization: for consistency with WebApps and HTML WGs, 16:13:28 should the directory structure be changed as indicated in the draft agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0149.html 16:14:13 looks ok to me 16:14:14 AB: I don't feel strongly about that structure so I welcome comments 16:14:35 AB: any objections to changing our structure? 16:14:47 … to align with WebApps and HTML WG's structure for tests? 16:15:14 … I could start a CfC on the structure question? 16:15:19 DS: I think that is appropriate 16:15:34 AB: we don't have Matt here so I want his feedback 16:15:58 ACTION: barstow start a CfC re directory structure for WebEvents tests 16:15:59 Created ACTION-89 - Start a CfC re directory structure for WebEvents tests [on Arthur Barstow - due 2011-12-20]. 16:16:09 AB: before we talk about specific actions, let me ask if anyone has analyzed the tests we have vis-a-vis the minimum needed to exit CR? 16:17:07 … I'm trying to get a sense of the level of "doneness" we have WRT the current set of tests 16:17:21 … Does anyone know, roughly? 16:17:26 [ Silence ] 16:17:31 DS: no, I don't 16:18:07 AB: is this an important question 16:18:31 DS: if the testable assertions were marked, this could be easier to assess 16:18:39 … we need to talk to the people writing tests 16:18:56 … but without them on the call, it's difficult to determine 16:19:11 AB: yes, I agree with all of the things you said 16:19:32 … Is anyone willing to do create some type of assertion table? 16:19:57 … That is enumerate the testable assertions? 16:20:10 … I think we are going to need something like that 16:20:16 … Any volunteers? 16:20:30 CC: I can take a look at that 16:21:08 ACTION: cathy Create a first iteration of an Assertion Table for the Touch Events v1 spec 16:21:09 Created ACTION-90 - Create a first iteration of an Assertion Table for the Touch Events v1 spec [on Cathy Chan - due 2011-12-20]. 16:21:13 AB: thanks Cathy! 16:21:31 CC: just to be clear, I'm willing to start but can't commit to completing it 16:22:00 AB: Action-74 on Olli Pettay "Create some multitouch test cases" http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/74 16:22:14 http://w3c.pettay.fi/webevents/tests/touchevents/multi-touch.html 16:22:24 OP: I created it awhile ago 16:22:33 … need someone to move it into Hg 16:22:45 AB: does that use testharness? 16:22:50 OP: yes it does 16:22:55 http://w3c.pettay.fi/webevents/tests/ 16:23:32 OP: I copied the single touch and modified it for multi-touch 16:24:04 … The idea was that I would start the multi-touch and then others could add 16:24:14 AB: yes, that matches my understanding 16:24:20 AB: Action-66 on Dzung Tran "Create multitouch test cases for the Touch Events spec" 16:24:37 … and Tran was waiting for Olli's Action-74 16:24:49 … which we can consider complete, once the test is copied to Hg 16:25:28 ACTION: barstow Copy Olli's mult-touch.html file to Hg 16:25:28 Created ACTION-91 - Copy Olli's mult-touch.html file to Hg [on Arthur Barstow - due 2011-12-20]. 16:26:26 AB: anything else on testing for today? 16:26:36 [ No ] 16:26:43 Topic: AoB 16:26:49 AB: let's tentatively plan a call for next week and I'll send an e-mail if it is canceled 16:26:58 AB: there will be no call December 27 nor on January 3 16:27:26 AB: in case there is no call next week, I just want to say that working with you folks on this spec has been a real pleasure, perhaps the most enjoyable part of my "day job" this year. 16:27:39 AB: Thanks very much for all of your hard work! Enjoy the upcoming holidays and see you next year! 16:27:58 AB: any other business for today? 16:28:08 DS: I concur with Art re this group 16:28:14 … very professional 16:28:23 … and everyone has stepped up 16:28:34 OP: thanks Art for being the Scribe 16:28:36 AB: my pleasure 16:28:46 AB: Meeting Adjourned 16:28:58 -Suman_Sharma 16:28:59 -Olli_Pettay 16:29:00 -Doug_Schepers 16:29:02 -Art_Barstow 16:29:03 RWC_WebEven()11:00AM has ended 16:29:03 Attendees were Art_Barstow, Suman_Sharma, Doug_Schepers, Olli_Pettay 16:29:14 RRSAgent, make minutes 16:29:14 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/13-webevents-minutes.html ArtB 16:33:23 argh, sorry for missing the meeting 16:53:53 abarsto has joined #webevents 17:04:35 NP mbrubeck 18:33:34 Zakim has left #webevents 18:38:06 rrsagent, bye 18:38:06 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/13-webevents-actions.rdf : 18:38:06 ACTION: barstow start a CfC re directory structure for WebEvents tests [1] 18:38:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/13-webevents-irc#T16-15-58 18:38:06 ACTION: cathy Create a first iteration of an Assertion Table for the Touch Events v1 spec [2] 18:38:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/13-webevents-irc#T16-21-08 18:38:06 ACTION: barstow Copy Olli's mult-touch.html file to Hg [3] 18:38:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/13-webevents-irc#T16-25-28