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21:01:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
21:01:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
21:01:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see RWC_Audio()4:00PM scheduled to start now
21:01:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
21:01:25 <trackbot> Date: 12 December 2011
21:01:33 <olivier> zakim, agenda?
21:01:33 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
21:01:34 <Zakim> 1. Review of action items and resolutions from last week [from olivier]
21:01:36 <Zakim> 2. Splitting work on use cases and requirements [from olivier]
21:01:37 <Zakim> 3. Intro to Tracker [from olivier]
21:01:38 <Zakim> 4. f2f logistics [from olivier]
21:01:39 <Zakim> 5. Any other business [from olivier]
21:02:16 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
21:02:16 <Zakim> I notice RWC_Audio()4:00PM has restarted
21:02:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see chrislo, kinetik, olivier, Michelle_Park, Doug_Schepers
21:02:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, chris, Zakim, chrislo, MikeSmith, colinbdclark, kinetik, foolip, trackbot, olivier, shepazu, paul_irish
21:02:50 <shepazu> shepazu has changed the topic to: Telcon code 28346 ("AUDIO")
21:03:13 <olivier> Last minutes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2011OctDec/0132.html
21:04:02 <olivier> scribeNick: chrislo
21:04:15 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
21:04:15 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review of action items and resolutions from last week" taken up [from olivier]
21:04:51 <chrislo> Al sends his regrets. 
21:05:00 <chrislo> Action 1 from previous meeting is done. 
21:05:01 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 1
21:05:19 <chrislo> shepazu: Action 2 is in progress
21:05:43 <chrislo> olivier: has integrated WebRTC use cases into our doc. (Action 3)
21:05:51 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Use-Cases#Requirements_from_the_Real-Time_Communications_Working_Group
21:06:31 <chrislo> olivier: the WebRTC have more requirements than use cases, so we'll need to find common terminology. 
21:06:40 <olivier> trackbot, close action-5
21:06:41 <trackbot> ACTION-5 Integrate WebRTC use cases into our doc closed
21:06:47 <chrislo> but this looks good enough for the time being. So closing. 
21:08:37 <chrislo> chris: is a bit concerned about changing the name since the API has wide coverage so far. Doesn't want to cause confusion by changing the name at this point. 
21:09:15 <chrislo> olivier: the reason this was proposed was to keep the next steps as neutral as possible at this stage. Hence wanting to switch away from the generic name. 
21:09:32 <chrislo> olivier: remembers Roq saying he could live with keeping the names as currently. 
21:09:42 <olivier> s/Roq/ROC/
21:09:54 <chrislo> chris: suggests that the umbrella name is "Audio processing API" and keep the names as current. 
21:10:05 <chrislo> olivier: looking for consensus. 
21:10:47 <chrislo> Resolution: The three documents will be Audio Processing API for the umbrella, and Web Audio API / Media Streaming API for the two proposals respectively. 
21:10:50 <olivier> zakim, take up agenda 4
21:10:50 <Zakim> agendum 4. "f2f logistics" taken up [from olivier]
21:12:15 <chrislo> chris: can make enquires about whether Google could host the meeting. 
21:12:27 <chrislo> chris: he can ask his manager. 
21:12:56 <chrislo> olivier: do you think f2f could be held in Southern California / Mountain View. 
21:13:17 <chrislo> chris: if we're choosing NAMM event it would be better if it was close to the event itself. 
21:13:35 <chrislo> chris: I'll have to look into it a bit more. 
21:13:51 <chrislo> chris: asks if Tom Wight had suggestions for a venue. 
21:14:35 <chrislo> shepazu: looks it up, they don't have the space for 1-2 days. 
21:15:16 <chrislo> shepazu: we should ask if the NAMM members have space for 10 people for 1-2 days
21:15:27 <chrislo> chris: could look into whether Google could finance that. 
21:15:42 <chrislo> shepazu: will take it off list, keep olivier and chris in the loop. 
21:17:10 <chrislo> olivier: for chrislo and I approval to attend is granted already, we're ok if logistics can be secured. 
21:17:26 <chrislo> olivier: what is the deadline for people to confirm, round the table? 
21:17:56 <chrislo> chris: pretty easy for me. Would be good to attend NAMM as well. 
21:19:21 <chrislo> shepazu: that's the link for anyone interested in attending. 
21:20:05 <chrislo> shepazu: I got an invitation a couple of days ago. The deadline is today for signing up for invites. 
21:20:22 <chrislo> olivier: the invitation, as I understand it, does not have strings attached. 
21:20:29 <chrislo> shepazu: agrees. 
21:21:14 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 2
21:21:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Splitting work on use cases and requirements" taken up [from olivier]
21:22:20 <chrislo> olivier: could we already get a rough idea of who is planning to work on which areas of the use case and requirements docs. 
21:22:45 <olivier> agenda+ publication of fpwd
21:22:54 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Use-Cases
21:23:04 <chrislo> olivier: that's the use cases document
21:23:13 <chrislo> olivier: we have 8 classes at the moment in this document. 
21:23:29 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets-reqs/#requirements
21:23:53 <chrislo> olivier: I think we should try, for each class, to make sure the requirements are in line with the template shepazu just posted. 
21:26:13 <chrislo> chris and chrislo mention that the XG group didn't spend too long on the pre-exisiting use case documents. 
21:26:43 <chrislo> olivier: we need to spend a bit of time on this for the WG because it will help us to objectively rationalize/refine the two proposals. 
21:26:48 <chrislo> shepazu: agrees. 
21:27:30 <chrislo> shepazu: we need both use cases and requirements. They're good for communicating with the community and other groups. 
21:27:50 <chrislo> shepazu: make sure there's no surprises and get early involvment from other groups. 
21:28:04 <chrislo> shepazu: and we can advertise what we're working on, to get other people excited. 
21:28:37 <chrislo> shepazu: it also helps if we want to move to candidate recommendation status. It helps to show that the work satisfies widely held needs. 
21:28:49 <chrislo> shepazu: it's good to have a checklist for our own book keeping purposes. 
21:29:22 <chrislo> olivier: asks shepazu to take us through the document. 
21:29:22 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets-reqs/#requirements
21:29:33 <chrislo> s/the/this
21:30:49 <chrislo> shepazu: rationale are known issues
21:31:25 <chrislo> shepazu: this is a pretty rigorous format. 
21:31:40 <chrislo> shepazu: if we split use cases away from the requirements we can link between them. 
21:32:11 <chrislo> shepazu: it will be useful when we have people actively reviewing the document. 
21:32:45 <chrislo> shepazu: need identifier/name, motivation, rationale and a link to the use cases. 
21:34:27 <olivier> ACTION: doug to show example of how to derive requirement from our use cases on the mailing-list
21:34:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Show example of how to derive requirement from our use cases on the mailing-list [on Doug Schepers - due 2011-12-19].
21:34:51 <chrislo> shepazu: also the two specs have requirements already, so it's fine to "back port" them to this document. 
21:35:13 <chrislo> shepazu: doing this will help us tease out the differences between the two documents. 
21:35:39 <shepazu> q+
21:36:25 <chrislo> chris: will be able to take a look at back porting the requirements. 
21:36:42 <chrislo> shepazu: doesn't want to cut into chris's time as editor and implementor
21:36:47 <chrislo> olivier: concurs
21:36:57 <olivier> ACTION: Chris_Rogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc
21:36:57 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris_Rogers
21:37:46 <chrislo> shepazu: suggests we start on the wiki, he can convert later to another format. 
21:37:47 <olivier> ACTION: Chris Rogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc
21:37:47 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Chris
21:37:47 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. clowis, crogers)
21:37:51 <chrislo> shepazu: will create a page. 
21:38:03 <olivier> ACTION: CRogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc
21:38:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc [on Chris Rogers - due 2011-12-19].
21:38:53 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 6
21:38:53 <Zakim> agendum 6. "publication of fpwd" taken up [from olivier]
21:39:19 <chrislo> fpwd = first public working draft
21:39:37 <chrislo> olivier: asks shepazu to explain the importance of this
21:40:15 <chrislo> shepazu: people are often asking what is happening with the audio working group, they are not sure of our progress
21:40:24 <chrislo> shepazu: so publishing frequently is important. 
21:40:49 <chrislo> shepazu: w3c has a policy that we need to publish every 3 months (heartbeat requirement)
21:41:17 <chrislo> shepazu: many groups are quite lax about this, but it would be good for us in particular to show that we are actively moving forward. 
21:41:51 <chrislo> chris: asks what the process is when publication happens - are they snapshots of a more rapidly changing document? 
21:42:03 <chrislo> chris: should I commit to a repo on a day-to-day basis
21:42:31 <chrislo> shepazu: we decided to publish three documents as separate documents that are updated on their own time. 
21:42:49 <chrislo> shepazu: the editors draft should always be the most up to date version of the document. 
21:43:19 <chrislo> shepazu: you (chris) should always publish to mercurial repo, when we decide to publish shepazu or Thierry will take a snapshot and publish to TR-space
21:43:26 <chrislo> TR = technical report. 
21:43:57 <chrislo> chris: I need to get changes back to the trunk repo when changes are made to publication. 
21:44:53 <chrislo> shepazu: changes made in the publication fork should be merged back in. shepazu will work with chris to do this. 
21:45:54 <chrislo> chris: I have some changes to make so should I put them directly in the mercurial repo? 
21:45:57 <chrislo> shepazu: yes. 
21:46:12 <chrislo> shepazu: and let me know, so I can keep the publication up to date. 
21:54:28 <chrislo> shepazu: gives a brief update on recruiting members for the group
21:54:30 <olivier> zakim, take up agenda 3
21:54:30 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Intro to Tracker" taken up [from olivier]
21:54:43 <chrislo> shepazu: hardware people as well as implementors are welcome. 
21:54:47 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/
21:55:11 <chrislo> ^^ this is the tracking tool for our working group
21:55:23 <chrislo> olivier: it will help us track action items, issues in the spec etc. 
21:55:55 <chrislo> olivier: go and have a look, try it out. We'll be using this a lot. 
21:56:03 <chrislo> shepazu: I'll be setting a test! 
21:56:20 <olivier> zakim, take up agenda 5
21:56:20 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Any other business" taken up [from olivier]
21:56:22 <chrislo> olivier: Any other business? 
21:57:10 <chrislo> olivier: volunteer scribe for next week? 
21:57:37 <chrislo> Matthew volunteers to scribe next time. 
21:58:02 <chrislo> shepazu: would like us to focus on technical stuff going forward as much as possible. 
21:58:18 <chrislo> olivier: agrees, it will happen now we're up and running. 
21:58:32 <chrislo> olivier: adjorns, with thanks. 
21:58:37 <Zakim> -olivier
21:58:38 <Zakim> -Michelle_Park
21:58:38 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
21:58:40 <Zakim> -kinetik
21:58:44 <Zakim> -chrislo
21:58:45 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()4:00PM has ended
21:58:47 <Zakim> Attendees were chrislo, kinetik, olivier, Michelle_Park, Doug_Schepers
21:58:50 <olivier> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:58:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-minutes.html olivier
21:58:52 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
21:58:52 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:58:52 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
21:58:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:58:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-minutes.html trackbot
21:58:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:58:54 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-actions.rdf :
21:58:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: doug to show example of how to derive requirement from our use cases on the mailing-list [1]
21:58:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-irc#T21-34-27
21:58:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris_Rogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc [2]
21:58:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-irc#T21-36-57
21:58:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris Rogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc [3]
21:58:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-irc#T21-37-47
21:58:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CRogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc [4]
21:58:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-irc#T21-38-03
21:59:11 <chrislo> olivier: there was a RESOLUTION at the top, not sure I captured it correctly.