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16:58:54 <burn> trackbot, start telcon
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16:58:58 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
16:58:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
16:58:59 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference
16:58:59 <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2011
16:59:22 <matt> zakim, dial matt-voip
16:59:22 <Zakim> ok, matt; the call is being made
16:59:23 <Zakim> INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM has now started
16:59:25 <Zakim> +Matt
16:59:41 <matt> zakim, who is making noise?
16:59:52 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
17:00:03 <Zakim> +Michael_Bodell
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17:00:21 <matt> zakim, dial matt-voip
17:00:21 <Zakim> ok, matt; the call is being made
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17:00:37 <burn> zakim, who's here?
17:00:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see Matt, Michael_Bodell, Dan_Burnett
17:00:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, mbodell, burn, smaug, trackbot, matt
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17:00:59 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:01:02 <burn> Chair:  Michael
17:01:17 <burn> s/Chair:  Michael/Chair:  Michael_Bodell/
17:01:38 <burn> zakim, [Microsoft] is Avery_Bishop
17:01:38 <Zakim> +Avery_Bishop; got it
17:02:10 <burn> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Dec/0005.html 
17:02:10 <matt> zakim, mute me
17:02:10 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
17:02:27 <burn> zakim, I am Dan_Burnett
17:02:27 <Zakim> ok, burn, I now associate you with Dan_Burnett
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17:02:53 <burn> Scribe:  Dan_Burnett
17:03:03 <burn> ScribeNick:  burn
17:03:13 <burn> zakim, ??P26 is Satish_Sampath
17:03:13 <Zakim> +Satish_Sampath; got it
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17:04:56 <mbodell> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/XGR-htmlspeech-20111206/
17:05:12 <burn> That link is for the final report
17:05:32 <burn> Michael:  congrats everyone, XG is officially done.
17:05:57 <burn> ... last week discussed next steps, there were some differing opinions
17:06:10 <matt> Scribe: matt
17:06:46 <matt> burn: To summarize what's going on.  This call is for a last minute sanity check.  The final report wasn't done yet, Michael was on vacation.  So, the report is done, Michael is here.  Now the question is what do we need to talk about?
17:07:11 <matt> mbodell: There's agreement within the group that at least part of the work relating to the Web API JavaScript and markup bindings should be at W3C.  There's disagreement about where within W3C.
17:07:26 <matt> burn: There is some discussion about where the protocol work should live too.
17:08:01 <matt> mbodell: The leading contenders are WebApps or a new WG.
17:08:03 <matt> burn: Satish, have you had any more discussion with the WebApps chairs?
17:08:23 <matt> Satish: I got positive feedback about it.  They are happy to have us post the report to their list and discuss it.
17:08:30 <matt> Satish: Now that we have the final report we should post it there.
17:09:22 <matt> mbodell: The issue with WebApps is whether all of the folks will waive IP on about this.
17:09:39 <matt> burn: There will be IP discussions within WebApp just as in a new group.
17:09:57 <matt> Satish: We will all be there, whether it's WebApps or a separate group.
17:10:12 <matt> burn: I would be careful saying "we" there.
17:10:30 <matt> burn: There was moderate agreement that it was clear that they could join either a new group or WebApps if they weren't already in WebApps.
17:10:41 <matt> Satish: Many are in WebApps and those that aren't can join.
17:11:29 <matt> mbodell: No matter which path is taken, or even if both are taken for a time, there will be W3C management and AC review too.
17:11:37 <matt> mbodell: There will be scrutiny over this stuff.
17:12:07 <matt> mbodell: If there are people in WebApps who have trouble releasing IP on this, they may want a new group.  Or people inside WebApps thinking it should be outside the group or in will start arguing.
17:12:23 <matt> burn: mbodell and I have written a draft charter that we'd like circulating within W3C.
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17:12:32 <matt> burn: W3C is going to be involved in where this work lives, one way or another.
17:12:45 <matt> burn: Charter proposals don't guarantee new groups, but discussions.
17:13:31 <matt> burn: One thing you should be careful or sensitive about with whatever you say about WebApps -- we should say "here's a link to the XG report, is this work we could taken on here?", because one of the last things most groups want is to take on discussions that could have IP issues around it start happening in a WG without clear indication that it's happening.
17:13:45 <matt> Satish: It might be useful if you could make the post in WebApps if that is ok.
17:14:50 <matt> burn: It'd be appropriate for the chairs to email their list about the report saying there is discussion about where it should live.  Either case they should take a look at it because of the expertise in the group.
17:15:13 <matt> burn: As chair, I'm uncomfortable recommending that it happen there, and as Voxeo, I'm even more uncomfortable with it there.
17:16:24 <matt> mbodell: There could be a generic email that you, I or someone else could send with the URI in it.  HTML, WebApps, maybe Audio.  Satish or someone could reply to it within the WebApps WG.
17:16:56 <matt> Satish: If you think it's more appropriate we could ask it as a separate question as well, something like that?
17:18:01 <matt> burn: Yes, something like that.  I've got to join WebApps myself.  Are unsolicited posts allowed to the list from non-members?
17:18:05 <matt> Satish: I think it's possible yes.
17:18:06 <matt> burn: It's actually not appropriate for me to go join each of the groups, so I'll post to the public list.
17:18:40 <matt> burn: The entire AC should have seen the announcement.  It's appropriate for me to now talk to individual groups.
17:19:26 <matt> burn: I'll mail the same email to each list.  I'll say at the bottom which groups have received it.
17:20:24 <matt> zakim, unmute me
17:20:24 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
17:20:32 <matt> zakim, mute me
17:20:32 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
17:20:34 <matt> burn: I'll mail WebApps, HTML, VBWG, MMI, Audio, DAP (for capture),
17:20:41 <matt> Satish: Isn't DAP about non browser runtimes?
17:21:00 <matt> burn: With WebRTC we are dealing with DAP on media.
17:21:17 <matt> mbodell: This isn't a suggestion that these groups are being asked to continue work on this.  It's just to inform them.
17:21:40 <matt> ddahl: Accessibility?
17:22:04 <matt> burn: In this email, I don't have a clear recommendation for where feedback should go.  The member list still exists, the public list is closed but could reopen.
17:22:38 <matt> mbodell: I think we should say that this is a doc you might be interested in reading, and say that the work will get picked up somewhere.
17:22:56 <matt> Avery?: Does it make sense to have our list open until we have a home?
17:23:17 <matt> Satish: Does it make sense that we have a place to inform them about where the work goes?
17:23:30 <matt> burn: Actually, the member list is closed, the public list is open.
17:25:01 <matt> burn: We should make clear on the public list that there may be IP discussions going on about where the work should live.  I'd like the public list to just be a place holder for feedback.
17:25:19 <matt> burn: It's a great place for a future group to store comments.
17:25:36 <matt> burn: I think we can use the public list that way with appropriate caveats.
17:27:59 <matt> burn: The phone bridge slot is still here, but we're not supposed to be doing work here.
17:28:03 <matt> zakim, unmute me
17:28:03 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
17:28:05 <matt> zakim, unmute me
17:28:05 <Zakim> Matt was not muted, matt
17:28:07 <matt> zakim, unmute me
17:28:07 <Zakim> Matt was not muted, matt
17:28:39 <glen> s/Avery?/glen/
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17:29:58 <matt> zakim, drop me
17:29:58 <Zakim> Matt is being disconnected
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17:29:59 <Zakim> -Satish_Sampath
17:30:00 <Zakim> -Charles_Hemphill
17:30:00 <Zakim> -Michael_Bodell
17:30:02 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:30:08 <Zakim> -Dan_Burnett
17:30:09 <Zakim> INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM has ended
17:30:11 <Zakim> Attendees were Matt, Michael_Bodell, Dan_Burnett, Avery_Bishop, Charles_Hemphill, Glen_Shires, Satish_Sampath, Debbie_Dahl
17:30:33 <burn> Regrets:  Olli_Pettay, Bjorn_Bringert
17:31:08 <burn> rrsagent, make logs public
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17:31:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/08-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn
17:31:41 <burn> s/Matt, Michael/Matt_Womer, Michael/
17:32:00 <burn> rrsagent, draft minutse
17:32:00 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minutse', burn.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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