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09:54:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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09:54:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:54:37 <trackbot> Date: 07 December 2011
09:55:07 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
09:55:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:55:12 <raphael> RRSAgent, make logs public
09:55:18 <raphael> Chair: Raphael, Erik
09:55:43 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0004.html
09:56:14 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
09:56:21 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
09:56:23 <Zakim> + +421209aaaa
09:57:00 <Zakim> +raphael
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09:58:06 <Zakim> + +421209aabb
09:58:20 <raphael> Present+ Chris
10:00:44 <doublec> haha, yes, need more people
10:00:54 <doublec> silvia was here earlier
10:01:10 <silvia> can I be here just on irc for now?
10:04:24 <raphael> Present+ Silvia (irc)
10:04:29 <raphael> Present+ Yves
10:04:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:04:57 <Zakim> +??P5
10:05:50 <raphael> Regrets: Thomas
10:06:23 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/11/30-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:06:32 <raphael> +1
10:06:34 <doublec> +1
10:06:35 <Yves> +1
10:06:39 <raphael> minutes accepted
10:06:55 <raphael> Topic: 2. SPEC
10:07:45 <raphael> Raphael: is there a minimal delay before transitioning to PR
10:07:50 <raphael> Yves: it is written in the CR
10:08:50 <raphael> ... in the spec, written until December 8th!
10:09:38 <raphael> Raphael: for me, we have 4 features at risk
10:09:42 <raphael> ... track and id dimensions
10:09:51 <raphael> ... smpte and clock for specifying time in the temporal dimension
10:10:07 <raphael> ... is there more ?
10:10:10 <doublec> that sounds right to me
10:10:53 <doublec> that's correct
10:12:04 <Yves> for smpte and clock; clock is used for streaming, but we don't have implementation, smpte is more tuned to boardcasters
10:12:26 <Yves> raphael: talked to Jack, smpte was in smil but not tested
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10:13:00 <Zakim> +Erik
10:13:06 <Yves> there are no implementation, so it would be ok to get them out of the spec, but move it to another document (note)
10:13:10 <Yves> same for track and id
10:13:59 <Yves> someone in the future can take this (or just implement it)
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10:14:37 <Yves> we should have media fragment 1.0 basic, and media fragment advanced, a note containing everything not implemented (smpte, clock, time, protocol, rtsp)
10:14:56 <erik> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:14:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-minutes.html erik
10:15:02 <Yves> Yves: sounds good
10:15:05 <doublec> doublec: I think that's a good approach
10:16:35 <erik> present+ Davy, Erik
10:17:14 <silvia> Yves: sounds good
10:18:04 <erik> q+
10:18:06 <raphael> Raphael: and do you agree that track and id SHOULD also go in this second document in the note?
10:19:00 <raphael> zakim, ack erik
10:19:00 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
10:19:28 <raphael> Erik: dependance on the HTML5 media track api, so based on the rationale we keep on the spec only what is _now_ implemented
10:19:40 <raphael> ... and we move the rest in the note so that people can implement it in the future
10:20:07 <erik> q+
10:20:56 <raphael> ACTION: troncy to mail the group about the decision of what will be in the spec and what will not
10:20:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - Mail the group about the decision of what will be in the spec and what will not [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-12-14].
10:21:32 <raphael> zakim, ack erik
10:21:32 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
10:23:11 <raphael> Raphael: is there people who want to give a entire fresh look at the spec?
10:23:30 <raphael> ... I personnally want, and plan to do that the week before Christmas
10:24:19 <silvia> feel free - as long as it's still readable :-)
10:25:28 <raphael> Erik: should we transition between Christmas and New Year Eve?
10:25:50 <raphael> ... I don't want that a decision taken early in January is refused because out of the charter?
10:26:08 <raphael> Yves: we need to check with Philippe but I'm confident
10:26:14 <raphael> Erik: let's make things clea
10:26:17 <raphael> s/clea/clear
10:26:35 <raphael> ... Between Chrismas and New Years Eve ... the spec should be frozen (edited by Raphael)
10:26:48 <raphael> ... Implementation report should be frozen (edited by davy)
10:27:45 <raphael> ... the spec will be finalized *before* Christmas
10:28:44 <raphael> action: Erik to write a mail with our timeline to check approval with Philippe
10:28:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - Write a mail with our timeline to check approval with Philippe [on Erik Mannens - due 2011-12-14].
10:29:01 <raphael> action: troncy to tidy up the spec before December 24th
10:29:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-249 - Tidy up the spec before December 24th [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-12-14].
10:29:26 <raphael> action: davy to tidy up the implementation report before December 24th
10:29:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-250 - Tidy up the implementation report before December 24th [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2011-12-14].
10:29:54 <raphael> Raphael: we could then transtion to PR as soon as all documents are frozen
10:30:11 <raphael> Topic: 3. Approval of last test cases
10:30:38 <raphael> Davy: nobody disagree with the test cases, could be we formally approve them?
10:30:47 <raphael> ... these are the last 4 test cases
10:30:56 <raphael> Raphael: no disagreement?
10:31:00 <raphael> Test cases approved
10:32:51 <raphael> Raphael: suggest to make 2 sections in the implementation report, one with the feaures of the spec, and one with the features in the note (at risk)
10:32:52 <raphael> Topic: 4. AOB
10:33:02 <raphael> ACTIOn-245?
10:33:02 <trackbot> ACTION-245 -- Raphaël Troncy to clarify whether Dailymotion will provide an implementation or not -- due 2011-12-07 -- OPEN
10:33:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/245
10:34:42 <raphael> ... following up this action given the reply received today by Dailymotion
10:34:57 <raphael> .... temporal dimension only for a Flash player
10:35:17 <raphael> Raphael!:
10:36:01 <raphael> s/Raphael!:/Raphael: Other implementation from Europeana http://dme.ait.ac.at/annotation/ and the JS library at http://yuma-js.github.com/index.html
10:36:15 <raphael> ... should we contact them for an implementation report
10:39:00 <raphael> action: Erik to contact the Europeana developers to check the feasibility of having a new implementation report
10:39:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-251 - Contact the Europeana developers to check the feasibility of having a new implementation report [on Erik Mannens - due 2011-12-14].
10:39:14 <raphael> ACTION-246?
10:39:14 <trackbot> ACTION-246 -- Erik Mannens to update the issues and close the issues that can be closed -- due 2011-12-07 -- OPEN
10:39:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/246
10:39:29 <raphael> close ACTION-246
10:39:29 <trackbot> ACTION-246 Update the issues and close the issues that can be closed closed
10:39:32 <raphael> ISSUE-17?
10:39:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Media Fragment track names and IRIs -- closed
10:39:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/17
10:40:16 <raphael> ISSUE-20?
10:40:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Create a IETF draft at CR stage explaining what the media fragment semantics will be for video/*, image/*, audio/* -- closed
10:40:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/20
10:41:13 <raphael> Yves: during the CR transition call, we discuss this and agree that we will not edit such a document
10:41:17 <raphael> ... the issue can be closed
10:41:52 <raphael> Erik: Philippe said he would have a look
10:42:06 <raphael> Yves: I will ping Philippe to make sure he agrees with closing this issue
10:42:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:42:30 <raphael> Raphael: do we have a telecon next week?
10:42:35 <raphael> Erik: yes, even 10 minutes
10:42:38 <raphael> ... for status update
10:42:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:43:56 <raphael> Raphael: thinking of gathering testimonial
10:44:14 <doublec> we've documented what we support and what version it'll be in btw: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_HTML5_audio_and_video#Specifying_playback_range
10:44:19 <doublec> yep, I can do a testimonial
10:45:15 <raphael> Raphael: from EURECOM, CWI, IBBT, Mozilla, Silvia?
10:47:01 <silvia> what do you need?
10:47:55 <raphael> Raphael: silvia, think of writing a testimonial when the spec will be a REC :-) See examples of testimonials when there are rec
10:48:45 <raphael> meeting adjourned
10:48:45 <doublec> thanks
10:48:48 <Zakim> -raphael
10:48:49 <Zakim> -Erik
10:48:53 <Zakim> - +421209aabb
10:49:01 <silvia> what, like http://www.w3.org/2001/09/svg1-testimonial ?
10:49:07 <silvia> cyall
10:49:18 <silvia> I sure can do something
10:49:24 <silvia> I'll likely write a blog post anyway
10:54:16 <raphael> yes, silvia, for example
10:54:25 <silvia> no problem
10:54:26 <raphael> ... but this is for January :-)
10:54:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
11:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Yves, in IA_MFWG()5:00AM
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11:05:06 <Zakim> Attendees were +421209aaaa, raphael, +421209aabb, Yves, Erik, Davy
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11:31:50 <raphael> zakim, bye
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11:33:46 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
11:33:46 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
11:33:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: troncy to mail the group about the decision of what will be in the spec and what will not [1]
11:33:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-irc#T10-20-56
11:33:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik to write a mail with our timeline to check approval with Philippe [2]
11:33:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-irc#T10-28-44
11:33:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: troncy to tidy up the spec before December 24th [3]
11:33:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-irc#T10-29-01
11:33:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: davy to tidy up the implementation report before December 24th [4]
11:33:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-irc#T10-29-26
11:33:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik to contact the Europeana developers to check the feasibility of having a new implementation report [5]
11:33:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/07-mediafrag-irc#T10-39-00