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20:59:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
20:59:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
20:59:21 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
20:59:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
20:59:22 <trackbot> Date: 05 December 2011
20:59:28 <olivier> Scribe: Olivier
20:59:33 <olivier> ScribeNick: olivier
21:00:15 <olivier> Chair: Allstair_MacDonald
21:00:54 <olivier> agenda+ Olivier's intro, potential co-chair 
21:01:01 <olivier> agenda+ intro to NAMM, F2F proposal 
21:01:09 <olivier> agenda+ decision on publishing "model" 
21:01:17 <olivier> agenda+ decision on the names of the two drafts 
21:01:26 <olivier> agenda+ use cases and requirements document
21:01:31 <olivier> agenda+ coordination with WebRTC
21:01:36 <olivier> agenda?
21:01:49 <olivier> rrsagent, pointer?
21:01:49 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/12/05-audio-irc#T21-01-49
21:02:41 <kinetik> the conference code isn't work for me
21:02:48 <shepazu> Zakim, who's here?
21:02:48 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I don't know what conference this is
21:02:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, FILT3R, MikeSmith, Ronny, kinetik, foolip, trackbot, F1LT3R, olivier, shepazu, paul_irish
21:02:50 <shepazu> nor me
21:03:01 <shepazu> Zakim, room for 7?
21:03:03 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(audio)21:03Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 2203Z
21:03:18 <shepazu> shepazu has changed the topic to: code 26631 (CONF1)
21:03:33 <Zakim> Team_(audio)21:03Z has now started
21:03:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:03:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
21:03:57 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
21:04:17 <Zakim> +??P5
21:04:29 <olivier> zakim, ??p5
21:04:29 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p5', olivier
21:04:32 <olivier> zakim, ??p5 is me
21:04:32 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
21:05:25 <kinetik> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
21:05:25 <Zakim> +kinetik; got it
21:05:34 <roc> roc has joined #audio
21:05:52 <roc> "the conference is restricted at this time"
21:05:57 <kinetik> roc: use 26631
21:06:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:06:33 <Joe> Joe has joined #audio
21:06:48 <roc> hey, this is a Compunetix conferencing system
21:06:50 <Joe> I am not able to join the conference -- getting "restricted at this time"
21:06:57 <kinetik> Joe: use 26631
21:07:00 <Joe> thx
21:07:08 <roc> my wife worked at that company
21:07:14 <roc> surprised to hear it's still alive
21:07:32 <Zakim> + +1.978.314.aaaa
21:07:34 <olivier> agenda?
21:07:48 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
21:07:48 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Olivier's intro, potential co-chair" taken up [from olivier]
21:09:02 <olivier> Olivier: [intro, hello world]
21:09:43 <olivier> Doug: proposal for Olivier to join as co-chair
21:10:08 <olivier> q+
21:10:14 <olivier> ack me
21:12:01 <olivier> Olivier: explains how understanding of process could be useful, to help first-time chair Al
21:13:03 <olivier> Doug: having two co-chairs also helps
21:13:33 <olivier> Doug: not yet official, need to be vetted by W3C management 
21:13:41 <olivier> ... if any objection, talk to me
21:14:20 <olivier> Joe: support
21:14:39 <olivier> [quick round of intros]
21:14:52 <olivier> Joe: CEO of noteflight, music notation software company
21:15:03 <olivier> ... lot of firsthand experience going into use cases
21:15:45 <olivier> Doug: mostly experience with flash, also with Java?
21:16:03 <olivier> Joe: our product mostly use flash, also have experience with Java and audio on many platforms
21:16:48 <olivier> Doug: formality at W3C management on Wednesday
21:17:06 <olivier> zakim, cluse agendum
21:17:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'cluse agendum', olivier
21:17:10 <olivier> zakim, close agendum
21:17:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum', olivier
21:17:18 <olivier> zakim, next
21:17:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next', olivier
21:17:22 <olivier> zakim, next agendum
21:17:22 <Zakim> agendum 2. "intro to NAMM, F2F proposal" taken up [from olivier]
21:17:30 <olivier> Doug: thoughts on f2f in LA
21:17:36 <olivier> Al: 19-22 ?
21:18:11 <olivier> Olivier: would we try and have it before, after, during?
21:18:15 <olivier> Doug: better for me before
21:18:21 <olivier> Joe: same for me, better before
21:18:46 <olivier> ROC: have already signed up for another event around same dates
21:19:05 <olivier> ... might be possible to fly straight there
21:19:11 <olivier> q+
21:20:18 <olivier> ROC: f2f discussions are good to know people, not sure how this can be effective
21:20:40 <olivier> Doug: group has lacked cohesion so far, a f2f might help
21:20:45 <olivier> ack me
21:21:03 <olivier> Al: any other time of the year you're already in the area, ROC?
21:21:25 <olivier> ROC: might be in North America in July
21:21:44 <olivier> ... Matthew can represent Moz
21:22:05 <olivier> ... but might be hard representing the work I've been doing
21:22:47 <olivier> Agenda+ ideas for moving forward
21:23:23 <olivier> Doug: think the f2f would be a good idea, would also be good to go to NAMM
21:24:14 <olivier> ... people who can't make it could call in?
21:24:43 <olivier> Joe: would work for me, would be good to meet others since I'm going to NAMM anyway
21:24:50 <olivier> Doug: we probably should do it
21:25:46 <olivier> RESOLUTION: assuming we can find logistics, the group would like to have f2f meeting around NAMM in January
21:27:07 <olivier> Doug: ideal if someone from WebRTC from Mozilla can join too
21:27:13 <olivier> q?
21:27:21 <olivier> zakim, take up next agendum
21:27:21 <Zakim> agendum 3. "decision on publishing "model"" taken up [from olivier]
21:27:58 <olivier> Joe: amendment - would be hard to do it before, after works 
21:28:02 <olivier> olivier: ditto
21:28:05 <olivier> Al: ditto
21:28:15 <olivier> Doug: not me, but noone cares about me anyway
21:28:22 <olivier> (scribe may be taking liberties here)
21:28:39 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 3
21:28:39 <Zakim> agendum 3. "decision on publishing "model"" taken up [from olivier]
21:28:47 <olivier> Doug: two possibilities for the publication
21:29:01 <olivier> ... we should try and publish ASAP
21:29:29 <olivier> Olivier: we had resolution to publish at TPAC, just a matter of how, and ASAP...
21:29:38 <olivier> Doug: two ways we could publish
21:29:49 <olivier> ... one has the two proposals as part of the same spec (chapters)
21:30:01 <olivier> ... or an umbrella document, and two separate docs for each proposal
21:30:16 <olivier> ... first approach has one name for the doc "web audio API"
21:30:36 <olivier> ... the other approach would have "web audio api" be a landing page
21:30:57 <olivier> ... and the two proposals "media processing api" and "web audio graph api'
21:31:12 <olivier> Al: would require renaming Chris Rogers' doc?
21:31:20 <olivier> Doug: yes
21:31:40 <olivier> ROC: don't object keeping its current name
21:31:56 <olivier> Al: could make it confusing, if Chris is amenable, we should rename it
21:32:38 <olivier> Olivier: would be nice to keep "web audio API" for umbrella spec
21:32:48 <olivier> Doug: would like there to be one spec come out of this
21:33:09 <olivier> ... can't speak for merits of each proposal, but would be good to integrate the two proposals into one
21:33:17 <olivier> ... if we can
21:33:43 <olivier> ... and have a "web audio API" spec and a "something"spec
21:35:32 <olivier> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2011/10/31-audio-minutes.html
21:36:02 <olivier> Doug: which approach would the group prefer?
21:36:09 <olivier> q?
21:37:33 <olivier> Olivier: concern was to publish two specs, one gets abandoned
21:37:46 <olivier> ... Doug, maybe you can explain how this would be handled?
21:38:00 <olivier> Doug: the spec that does not get pushed forward gets published as a note
21:38:19 <olivier> ... the other goes forward in REC track
21:38:33 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 7
21:38:33 <Zakim> agendum 7. "ideas for moving forward" taken up [from olivier]
21:38:50 <olivier> ROC: suggest we get feedback from other vendors
21:39:00 <olivier> ... Microsoft and Opera
21:39:10 <olivier> ... we want the spec to be implemented
21:39:28 <olivier> ... if browser vendors have preferences, they should be heard ASAP
21:39:32 <olivier> q+
21:40:04 <olivier> ack me
21:40:15 <olivier> Doug: am trying to get that from them
21:40:54 <olivier> Olivier: seems to be a good reason to publish FPWD
21:41:03 <olivier> ... publish and gather feedback
21:45:06 <olivier> RESOLUTION: publish one umbrella document, two proposal as FPWD
21:45:14 <olivier> s/proposal/proposals/
21:46:13 <olivier> RESOLVED: subject to confirmation by Chris R, the three documents will be "Web Audio API", "Media Streaming API" and "Web Audio Graph API"
21:46:23 <olivier> agenda?
21:46:35 <olivier> zakim, drop agendum 4
21:46:35 <Zakim> agendum 4, decision on the names of the two drafts, dropped
21:46:40 <olivier> zakim, next agendum
21:46:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "decision on publishing "model"" taken up [from olivier]
21:46:42 <olivier> zakim, next agendum
21:46:42 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, olivier
21:46:49 <olivier> zakim, open agendum 5
21:46:49 <Zakim> agendum 5. "use cases and requirements document" taken up [from olivier]
21:46:59 <olivier> Al: use cases copy-pasted from the incubator group
21:47:13 <olivier> ... wanted to go over those and make it relevant
21:47:24 <olivier> ... don't think streaming is mentioned there
21:48:04 <olivier> Olivier: what happened to the list we drafted at TPAC? seems to have been overwritten?
21:48:42 <FILT3R> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Basic-Examples
21:48:54 <olivier> Al: the page we started on at TPAC is now here 
21:49:00 <olivier> ... -> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Basic-Examples
21:49:13 <olivier> ... goal was to give simple examples with pseudo-code
21:49:39 <olivier> ... two completely different pages
21:49:43 <FILT3R> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Use-Cases
21:49:52 <olivier> ... the use cases are here: http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Use-Cases
21:50:00 <olivier> ... and were copied from incubator group
21:50:13 <olivier> ... nothing touched here for over a year
21:50:40 <shepazu> q+
21:50:42 <olivier> ... would like the group to look through those and add anything missing
21:50:44 <olivier> ack sh
21:51:00 <olivier> Doug: few different ways we can make progress here
21:51:49 <olivier> ... could spend time on telcond about this, might be more productive if individuals take cases and develop them further
21:52:04 <olivier> Al: do we have an anatomy of a use case we could use ?
21:52:19 <olivier> ACTION: Doug to provide "anatomy of a use case" template
21:52:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Provide "anatomy of a use case" template [on Doug Schepers - due 2011-12-12].
21:53:17 <olivier> s/bt/by/
21:54:19 <olivier> Olivier: suggest people send intention to work on section, coordinate with others wanting to work on same
21:54:42 <olivier> Doug: agreed
21:54:53 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 6
21:54:54 <Zakim> agendum 6. "coordination with WebRTC" taken up [from olivier]
21:55:01 <olivier> Doug: we have coordinated with them already
21:55:16 <olivier> ... let's make sure we take their use cases and req into account
21:55:50 <olivier> Olivier: happy to look into it
21:56:03 <olivier> ACTION: Olivier to integrate WebRTC use cases into our doc
21:56:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Integrate WebRTC use cases into our doc [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2011-12-12].
21:56:34 <olivier> ACTION: Al to find minutes of joint meeting with WebRTC (if any available)
21:56:34 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Al
21:56:57 <olivier> rrsagent, drop action 3
21:58:31 <olivier> Topic: any other business?
21:59:41 <olivier> ADJOURNED
21:59:42 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
21:59:43 <Zakim> -kinetik
21:59:45 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
21:59:47 <Zakim> -olivier
21:59:49 <Zakim> - +1.978.314.aaaa
21:59:50 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
21:59:52 <Zakim> Team_(audio)21:03Z has ended
21:59:53 <olivier> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:59:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/05-audio-minutes.html olivier
21:59:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Doug_Schepers, olivier, kinetik, [IPcaller], +1.978.314.aaaa
21:59:58 <olivier> zakim, bye
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22:00:54 <FILT3R> :)
22:01:14 <FILT3R> shepazu: olivier: http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-webrtc-minutes.html
22:01:21 <olivier> aha, thanks
22:01:33 <olivier> rrsagent, bye
22:01:33 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/05-audio-actions.rdf :
22:01:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Doug to provide "anatomy of a use case" template [1]
22:01:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/05-audio-irc#T21-52-19
22:01:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Olivier to integrate WebRTC use cases into our doc [2]
22:01:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/05-audio-irc#T21-56-03
22:01:37 <FILT3R> Those minutes are from the second day of TPAC