IRC log of wai-wcag on 2011-12-01

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21:11:54 [jamesn_]
Meeting: wai-WCAG
21:12:41 [Loretta]
chair: Loretta
21:12:47 [awk]
Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
21:12:47 [Zakim]
ok, awk, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started
21:13:25 [awk]
Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
21:29:56 [Zakim]
-Bruce_Bailey
21:30:09 [Zakim]
+Bruce_Bailey
21:33:42 [David]
Alternative: This does not include text that is part of image where the included text alone cannot be used as a text alternative for the purposes of meeting Success Criterion 1.1.1.
21:33:44 [David]
Example: Pictures, graphs, and diagrams which visually convey important information through more than just text.
21:35:02 [kerstin]
will it be useful to include "screenshots"?
21:35:37 [Loretta]
Good suggestions, Kerstin.
21:37:50 [awk]
we mean that text that is part of a picture, for example within a photograph, graph, screenshot, diagram or image that conveys information of any type visually through more than just the text is not considered an image of text.
21:37:55 [Loretta]
The definition of "image of text" contains the note "....". Examples of such pitcures include graphs, screenshots, and diagrams which visually convey important information through more than just text.
21:40:21 [kerstin]
zakim, mute me
21:40:21 [Zakim]
sorry, kerstin, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
21:40:55 [kerstin]
would someone tell zakim who I am, please
21:41:53 [David]
Resolution:
21:43:11 [David]
Issue LC-2572: "image of text" definition needs clarification ... accepted as amended ... adding to the Understanding document...Examples of such pictures include graphs, screenshots, and diagrams which visually convey important information through more than just text.
21:45:18 [David]
Resolution: Issue LC-2572: "image of text" definition needs clarification ... accepted as amended ... adding to the Understanding document...Examples of such pictures include graphs, screenshots, and diagrams which visually convey important information through more than just text.
21:47:05 [Loretta]
Web technologies may need to only be supported by those specific user agents and assistive technologies deployed at a company. (These may be older versions of user agents and assistive technologies or the very newest versions).
21:49:08 [kerstin]
zakim, ipcaller is me
21:49:08 [Zakim]
+kerstin; got it
21:49:20 [kerstin]
zakim, mute me
21:49:20 [Zakim]
kerstin should now be muted
21:51:19 [David]
topic: Issue LC-2573: Editorial changes to Understanding Conformance
21:53:39 [David]
Resolution: Issue LC-2573: Editorial changes to Understanding Conformance accepted as amended
21:54:06 [David]
topic: Add reference to Office 10 documentation to PDF Technology Notes
21:54:36 [David]
Resolution: accept "Add reference to Office 10 documentation to PDF Technology Notes"
21:54:40 [kerstin]
zakim, unmute me
21:54:40 [Zakim]
kerstin should no longer be muted
21:54:59 [David]
Topic: Issue LC-2548: Guideline 1.3 covering the needs of people with low vision
21:55:41 [Loretta]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2011/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20110929/G140
22:02:11 [awk]
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG-access/#Equivalent
22:07:30 [Loretta]
]The information in these tags may be used by assistive technologies to perform meaningful structure transformations (e.g., generating a list of sections) or to support interaction with content based on structural characteristics (e.g., jumping to the start of forms).
22:08:24 [Zakim]
+ +1.617.584.aacc
22:08:26 [Zakim]
-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
22:12:02 [David]
Resolution: We are amending the proposal, accepted as amended ... Issue LC-2548: Guideline 1.3 covering the needs of people with low vision... proposing to keep Ex 2 PDF, as part of G140... which would read like this:A PDF document consists mostly of the content embedded with formatting information. Information about the structure is provided in a separate section of the document using...
22:12:04 [David]
...XML-like tags; this is called "tagged PDF". The information in these tags may be used by assistive technologies to perform meaningful structure transformations (e.g., generating a list of sections) or to support interaction with content based on structural characteristics (e.g., jumping to the start of forms).
22:13:16 [David]
Resolution: Resolution: We are amending the proposal, accepted as amended ... Issue LC-2548: Guideline 1.3 covering the needs of people with low vision... proposing to keep Ex 2 PDF, as part of G140... which would read like this: "A PDF document consists mostly of the content embedded with formatting information. Information about the structure is provided in a separate section of the...
22:13:18 [David]
...document using..XML-like tags; this is called "tagged PDF". The information in these tags may be used by assistive technologies to perform meaningful structure transformations (e.g., generating a list of sections) or to support interaction with content based on structural characteristics (e.g., jumping to the start of forms). "
22:16:56 [kerstin]
zakim, unmute me
22:16:56 [Zakim]
kerstin was not muted, kerstin
22:17:42 [kerstin]
it seems my line is broken, or? it seems no one hears what I'm saying?
22:18:23 [kerstin]
I have reservations against the Note
22:20:34 [Zakim]
- +1.617.584.aacc
22:28:40 [Loretta]
Until then, if the content passes the success criterion using any of the listed sufficient techniques, then it does not meet this failure.
22:29:20 [Loretta]
"Note: The Working Group has discovered many misunderstandings about how to test this failure. We are planning to revise this failure in a future update.
22:30:20 [David]
F69: Failure of Success Criterion : Note: The Working Group has discovered many misunderstandings about how to test this failure. We are planning to revise this failure in a future update. Until then, if the content passes the success criterion using any of the listed sufficient techniques, then it does not meet this failure.
22:30:48 [David]
Resolution: refer to the above. F69: Failure of Success Criterion : Note: The Working Group has discovered many misunderstandings about how to test this failure. We are planning to revise this failure in a future update. Until then, if the content passes the success criterion using any of the listed sufficient techniques, then it does not meet this failure.
22:30:49 [Loretta]
THanks, James. :-)
22:34:02 [David]
s/failure./ Besides this not F69 will remain unchanged for this draft.
22:34:17 [Zakim]
-[IPcaller.a]
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-James_Nurthen
22:34:23 [Zakim]
-Bruce_Bailey
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
22:34:27 [Zakim]
- +1.978.443.aaaa
22:34:29 [kerstin]
-kerstin
22:34:42 [jamesn_]
Rrsagent, make minutes
22:34:42 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn_
22:34:55 [David]
Resolution: refer to the above. F69: Failure of Success Criterion : Besides the following note F69 will remain unchanged for this draft. Note: The Working Group has discovered many misunderstandings about how to test this failure. We are planning to revise this failure in a future update. Until then, if the content passes the success criterion using any of the listed sufficient techniques,...
22:34:57 [David]
...then it does not meet this failure.
22:35:01 [Zakim]
-kerstin
22:35:20 [Zakim]
-David_MacDonald
22:35:21 [Zakim]
WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, +1.978.443.aaaa, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +1.617.584.aabb, James_Nurthen, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, kerstin, +1.617.584.aacc