16:50:45 RRSAgent has joined #htmlspeech 16:50:45 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-htmlspeech-irc 16:51:45 trackbot, start telcon 16:51:47 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:51:49 Zakim, this will be 16:51:50 Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference 16:51:50 Date: 01 December 2011 16:51:54 zakim, this will be htmlspeech 16:51:57 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 16:52:03 ok, burn; I see INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM scheduled to start 21 minutes ago 16:52:13 Chair: Dan Burnett 16:52:29 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Nov/0074.html 16:54:09 bringert has joined #htmlspeech 16:55:49 INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM has now started 16:55:51 +Dan_Burnett 16:56:28 zakim, code? 16:56:28 the conference code is 48657 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), matt 16:56:38 +matt 16:56:40 -matt 16:56:43 +matt 16:57:31 zakim, who's here? 16:57:31 On the phone I see Dan_Burnett, matt 16:57:32 On IRC I see bringert, RRSAgent, Zakim, burn, matt, smaug, Milan, trackbot 16:59:42 +Michael_Johnston 17:00:15 Michael has joined #htmlspeech 17:00:18 just a minute 17:01:04 +[Microsoft] 17:01:32 zakim, Microsoft is Avery 17:01:34 +Avery; got it 17:01:41 Scribe: Michael 17:02:00 satish and I are trying to dial in 17:02:02 +[IPcaller] 17:02:13 zakim, ipcaller is smaug 17:02:16 Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay 17:02:20 ScribeNick: Michael 17:02:23 +smaug; got it 17:02:27 sorry, smaug, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' 17:02:28 Scribe: Michael_Johnston 17:02:29 Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay 17:02:34 sorry, smaug, I do not see a party named 'Olli_Pettay' 17:02:39 Avery has joined #htmlspeech 17:02:39 glen has joined #htmlspeech 17:02:45 +Joseph_Scheuhammer 17:02:48 DanD has joined #htmlspeech 17:02:53 Zakim, smaug is Olli_Pettay 17:03:03 +Olli_Pettay; got it 17:03:07 Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay 17:03:21 ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay 17:03:22 + +1.408.359.aaaa 17:03:35 ddahl1 has joined #htmlspeech 17:03:38 zakim, aaaa is Glen_Shires 17:03:51 +Glen_Shires; got it 17:04:03 +Dan_Druta 17:04:22 zakim, who's on the phone? 17:04:35 zakim, Joseph_Scheuhammer is Bjorn,Satish 17:04:43 On the phone I see Dan_Burnett, matt, Michael_Johnston, Avery, Olli_Pettay, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Glen_Shires, Dan_Druta 17:04:46 +Charles_Hemphill 17:04:57 +Bjorn,Satish; got it 17:05:08 +Debbie_Dahl 17:06:42 topic: discussion of where work should continue 17:07:09 danb: few weeks back difference of opinion on where work should continue 17:07:30 bjorn: We've discussed internally how we'd like to proceed with the Speech XG proposal, and concluded that the best way to get wide feedback and implementation would be to take it to the W3C WebApps WG. The WebApps WG is a good fit because all major browser-vendors and lots of independent web-developers are already involved, providing the necessary diverse perspective and buy-in. To keep the discussion manageable and within the scope of the WebApps WG, we 17:07:56 bjorn: I. A scripting-only subset supports the vast majority of the use-cases and samples in the XG proposal. 17:09:52 bjorn: Webapps group has wide participation from browser vendors 17:10:07 bjorn: have done many programmatic apis 17:10:22 bjorn: first step to post specification to webapps 17:10:36 satish: we reached out to chairs 17:11:04 satish: heard back from one of them, arthur ???, sounded interested but no guarantee, they are rechartering just now 17:11:16 s/???/barstow 17:12:12 glen: from both chairs, while back said could be a good fit 17:13:06 [[Everyone has to rejoin after rechartering.]] 17:13:06 satish: reached out to browser vendors, already in there 17:13:38 Arthur Barstow, webapps chair, has responded, saying timing is good 17:13:53 burn: working still on report 17:14:36 matt: if new ip is added could affect recharter 17:17:14 burn: other chair is charles mccaffey neville 17:17:31 satish: last year charles said he and some people at opera might be able to participate 17:17:46 Charles has joined #htmlspeech 17:18:38 bjorn: can take it there for feedback before adding to charter 17:18:53 burn: make clear report is not final yet 17:19:10 burn: once final everyone is free to distribute to whichever group they think may be interested 17:19:32 s/charles mccaffey neville/Charles McCathieNevile/ 17:20:25 burn: we should be able to keep the list as a place to hold comments 17:21:45 avery: could still go forward with original plan and still get feedback from webapps working group by keeping them involved and attending as observers 17:22:02 burn: tend to agree is not an either or 17:22:35 burn: no harm in having discussion in multiple places 17:22:48 avery: webapps have wide charter 17:22:56 avery: attention diluted 17:23:09 bjorn: smaller slice of a bigger cake 17:23:23 satish: hoping all with participate and move it along 17:24:01 bjorn: not much time on call but time on mailing list 17:24:14 bjorn: largely in mailing list 17:24:25 right now webapps doesn't have conf calls 17:24:42 olli: webapps right now does not have conference calls 17:27:32 michael: APIs listed are more core web programming, DOM, events, XMLhttprequest, not seeing anything in there like speech 17:27:47 michael: websockets is there but your proposal is just to take the scripting there 17:29:20 danD: keeping focus, audio group has more significant impact on our decisions in speech, dependencies on DAP 17:29:53 danD: new and innovative web technology, will dilute value in webapps group 17:30:20 bjorn: why lose focus 17:30:53 danD: another tool in toolbox but easily buried among all that is in webapps 17:31:03 bjorn: more of a marketing of spec issue 17:31:07 danD: that is a part of it 17:31:55 bjorn:marketing is super important, does not bear on working group we are in 17:32:09 satish: find talk times in developer conferences 17:33:35 satish: file api, has its own top level uri 17:33:52 bjorn: argue webapps makes work more visible 17:34:50 * we could agree to a keyword like [speech] that we all put in the title of emails, to make it easy to filter all emails from WebApps 17:34:53 olli: would be ok to put a small part in webapps, filesystem part is not reviewed at all 17:35:09 olli: does not guarantee feedback 17:35:45 olli: not a lot of attention to widget apis 17:39:50 ...but wouldn't object a separate group either 17:41:03 michael: another option is to have a coordinating group, our work needs to reach out to IETF for the protocol to webapps for the api, possible requirements to multimodal for EMMA 17:41:29 glen: so standards work would be outside of the coordinating group 17:41:50 bjorn: focus on script API, protocol is separate matter 17:42:04 web app charter liaison: http://www.w3.org/2010/webapps/charter/Overview.html#coordination 17:43:36 burn: looking at what would need to be added, audio, streaming media 17:44:11 bjorn: seems like reasonable things to add 17:44:47 avery: have to be careful working with IETF, end up working with 2 or 3 individuals who know what they are doing, 17:45:02 and 100 tire kickers that slow the work 17:45:11 avery: sip as example 17:45:43 "protocols and formats" is a WG under the web accessibility initiative (WAI), so it means "protocols and formats for accessibility". WAI has other WG's, for example, they have an "education and outreach" group 17:45:52 bjorn: valid concern 17:47:45 bjorn: could have web side drowned out by more speech people 17:47:55 avery: not sure staging it there is the right place 17:48:59 charles: limit to scripting, is there any tag work there 17:49:06 bjorn: not sure if there is no tags 17:49:37 charles: want to get feedback on tag work from web developers 17:49:52 bjorn: bring whole spec to webapps at first 17:50:44 satish: we were first to suggest markup 17:50:55 bjorn: might have to be done in separate batch 17:53:12 michael: concern about moving forward with scripting without protocol work 17:53:46 glen: protocol in ietf and scripting in other group, would have to be separate anyway 17:54:06 michael: not sure that peer to peer coordination will work or whether we need coordinating group 17:54:26 burn: need large overlap between the groups 17:55:24 michael: webrtc and rtcweb, two groups that work well together 17:55:57 webrtc is W3C, rtcweb is IETF 17:56:34 michael: have to remain in sync, since the app is real time communication 17:57:50 burn: disagreements in rtc work about how to transmit coordinated media 17:58:45 danD: want to make sure that remote speech engine is selectable by the developer 18:00:24 burn: need to continue to be developed together 18:01:05 bjorn: want to avoid mutual dependency where hold up in protocol would hold up the script api 18:01:25 burn: need large overlap in groups working on both so they are kept in sync 18:02:19 michael: want to avoid going back to place where speech input to google page on ie goes to microsoft and bing speech traffic on chrome goes to google 18:03:44 burn: meta level, start sending stuff to webapps, can also start process of creating a charter, does not necessarily end up in forming a group 18:04:58 burn: doesnt mean there are not technical discussion 18:07:20 michael: need to avoid losing the momentum the HTML+SPEECH group has had this last period 18:07:45 michael: webapps could accelerate but could also slow down 18:08:04 michael: tremendous amount of work has happened in the incubator 18:08:21 burn: planning for 15 minute call next week 18:08:44 burn: we should wait to distribute until the report is finalized 18:09:18 bjorn: wait for that then post once it is tidied up 18:09:57 -Olli_Pettay 18:10:02 -Bjorn,Satish 18:10:03 -Avery 18:10:04 -Debbie_Dahl 18:10:04 -Glen_Shires 18:10:06 ddahl1 has left #htmlspeech 18:10:07 -Dan_Druta 18:10:18 -Charles_Hemphill 18:10:31 zakim, who is on the phone? 18:10:31 On the phone I see Dan_Burnett, matt, Michael_Johnston 18:10:34 zakim, drop me 18:10:34 matt is being disconnected 18:10:35 -matt 18:10:35 -Michael_Johnston 18:10:37 -Dan_Burnett 18:10:38 INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM has ended 18:10:40 Attendees were Dan_Burnett, matt, Michael_Johnston, Avery, Olli_Pettay, +1.408.359.aaaa, Glen_Shires, Dan_Druta, Charles_Hemphill, Bjorn,Satish, Debbie_Dahl 18:10:54 rrsagent, make log public 18:10:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:10:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn 18:11:20 s/, +1.408.359.aaaa// 18:11:42 s/, matt/, Matt_Womer/ 18:12:18 s/, Avery/, Avery_Bishop/ 18:12:51 s/, Bjorn,Satish,/, Bjorn_Bringert, Satish_Sampath/ 18:13:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:13:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn 18:15:42 s/Satish_SampathDebbie_Dahl/Satish_Sampath, Debbie_Dahl/ 18:15:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:15:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn 18:16:24 s/Satish_Sampath_Debbie_Dahl/Satish_Sampath, Debbie_Dahl/ 18:16:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:16:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn 18:17:35 s/Satish_Sampath Debbie_Dahl/Satish_Sampath, Debbie_Dahl/ 18:17:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:17:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn 19:01:31 trackbot has joined #htmlspeech 19:18:03 smaug has joined #htmlspeech 20:29:19 Zakim has left #htmlspeech