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17:01:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
17:01:57 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
17:01:57 <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2011
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17:01:59 <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
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17:02:19 <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:02:29 <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I don't know what conference this is
17:02:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, Norm, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, tantek, mjs, nonge_,
17:02:40 <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:02:42 <Zakim> ... Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham, pimpbot, [tm],
17:02:47 <Zakim> ... johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
17:02:49 <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I don't know what conference this is
17:02:55 <rubys> Zakim, this is html_wg
17:02:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, Norm, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, tantek, mjs, nonge_,
17:02:57 <hober> Zakim, this will be html
17:02:58 <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:03:00 <Zakim> ... Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham, pimpbot, [tm],
17:03:04 <Zakim> ... johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
17:03:07 <Zakim> ok, rubys; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
17:03:09 <Zakim> html matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM
17:03:12 <Zakim> I notice HTML_WG()12:00PM has restarted
17:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Apple], kimberly, +1.251.280.aaaa, +1.415.595.aabb, ??P6, Sam, glenn
17:03:17 <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
17:03:17 <hober> Zakim, Apple has hober
17:03:22 <glenn> zakim, i am +1.417.671.aabb
17:03:28 <Zakim> +hober; got it
17:03:28 <hober> ScribeNick: hober
17:03:30 <laura> laura has joined #html-wg
17:03:31 <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
17:03:35 <Zakim> sorry, glenn, I do not see a party named '+1.417.671.aabb'
17:03:37 <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aabb is me
17:03:41 <Zakim> +Julian; got it
17:03:42 <Julian> Zakim, mute me
17:03:47 <hober> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, December 1
17:03:49 <Zakim> +mjs; got it
17:03:50 <glenn> zakim, who's here?
17:03:52 <hober> ACTION-207?
17:03:52 <trackbot> ACTION-207 -- Paul Cotton to confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active -- due 2011-12-01 -- OPEN
17:03:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/207
17:03:53 <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
17:03:53 <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-207: Confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:03:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Apple], kimberly, Julian (muted), mjs, ??P6, Sam, glenn, Radhika_Roy
17:04:01 <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
17:04:03 <hober> rubys: paul not able to make the call today
17:04:08 <hober> ... will push the action back a week
17:04:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see laura, Zakim, MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, Norm, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, tantek,
17:04:12 <Zakim> ... mjs, nonge_, Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham,
17:04:14 <hober> ACTION-208?
17:04:14 <trackbot> ACTION-208 -- Michael[tm] Smith to sync up with Peter St. Andre on URL processing draft and report back in two weeks -- due 2011-12-01 -- OPEN
17:04:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/208
17:04:15 <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-208: Sync up with Peter St. Andre on URL processing draft and report back in two weeks - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:04:18 <Zakim> ... pimpbot, [tm], johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
17:04:29 <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0194.html
17:04:31 <pimpbot> Title: "How Browsers Process URLs" aka "URL processing spec": HTML WG deliverable or I18N WG deliverable? from Michael[tm] Smith on 2011-11-21 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
17:04:39 <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
17:04:44 <MFoladare> MFoladare is 7323681000 from AT&T
17:04:49 <hober> rubys: MikeSmith not on call, public status update linked above
17:05:24 <hober> ... we'll close this action
17:05:27 <Zakim> + +1.415.871.aacc
17:05:30 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
17:05:31 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
17:05:34 <Zakim> +Mike
17:05:34 <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week
17:05:41 <hober> ISSUE-172?
17:05:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- raised
17:05:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
17:05:42 <tantek> Zakim, aacc is tantek
17:05:42 <Zakim> +tantek; got it
17:05:43 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:05:57 <hober> rubys: was raised prematurely, re-resolved and raised again
17:06:06 <hober> ISSUE-182?
17:06:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- raised
17:06:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
17:06:07 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-182: Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:06:09 <tantek> Zakim, mute tantek
17:06:09 <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
17:06:28 <hober> ISSUE-183?
17:06:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
17:06:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
17:06:29 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-183: Enhance and simplify the time element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:06:30 <hober> ISSUE-184?
17:06:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
17:06:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
17:06:31 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-184: Add a data element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:06:32 <hober> ISSUE-185?
17:06:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
17:06:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
17:06:36 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-185: Drop the pubdate attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:06:43 <hober> rubys: same underlying bug being pursused as three different issues
17:06:56 <hober> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
17:07:00 <hober> ISSUE-174?
17:07:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open
17:07:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
17:07:01 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:07:22 <hober> rubys: call for counter proposals closed
17:07:24 <hober> ISSUE-181?
17:07:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
17:07:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
17:07:26 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:07:33 <hober> rubys: got one proposal
17:07:37 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0192.html
17:07:38 <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal for ISSUE-181, was: ISSUE-181: remove-sidebar - Chairs Solicit Proposals from Julian Reschke on 2011-11-20 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
17:07:46 <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
17:07:50 <hober> ISSUE-179?
17:07:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
17:07:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
17:07:51 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:08:00 <hober> rubys: Change Proposals due by today
17:08:09 <hober> ... related to ACTION-207
17:08:11 <glenn> nothing new from me (179)
17:08:28 <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
17:08:33 <hober> ISSUE-177?
17:08:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
17:08:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
17:08:34 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:08:42 <hober> ISSUE-180?
17:08:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
17:08:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
17:08:44 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-180: Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:08:51 <hober> rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due for both of them by Dec 10
17:08:54 <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
17:09:02 <hober> ISSUE-133?
17:09:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
17:09:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
17:09:03 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:09:09 <hober> rubys: Call for Consensus closes Dec 7
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17:09:20 <hober> rubys: we have an updated CP that it looks like we'll have consensus on
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17:09:33 <hober> ISSUE-172?
17:09:34 <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- raised
17:09:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
17:09:35 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:09:40 <hober> rubys: Call for Change Proposals closes Jan 7
17:09:48 <tantek> Zakim, aacc is tantek
17:09:48 <Zakim> sorry, tantek, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
17:09:52 <hober> ... additional time given due to holidays
17:09:53 <tantek> Zakim, who is here?
17:09:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Apple], kimberly, Julian (muted), mjs, ??P6, Sam, glenn, Radhika_Roy, Laura_Carlson, tantek (muted), Mike
17:09:55 <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
17:09:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see tantek, laura, Zakim, MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, mjs,
17:09:59 <hober> ISSUE-174?
17:09:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open
17:09:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
17:10:00 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:02 <Zakim> ... nonge_, Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham, pimpbot,
17:10:04 <hober> rubys: Call for Consensus closes Dec 7
17:10:04 <Zakim> ... [tm], johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
17:10:06 <hober> ISSUE-181?
17:10:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
17:10:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
17:10:07 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:10 <hober> rubys: Call for Counter or Alternate Change Proposals closes Jan 7
17:10:14 <hober> ISSUE-182?
17:10:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- raised
17:10:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
17:10:15 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-182: Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:20 <hober> rubys: Call for Proposals closes Jan 7
17:10:26 <hober> ISSUE-183?
17:10:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
17:10:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
17:10:27 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-183: Enhance and simplify the time element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:28 <hober> ISSUE-184?
17:10:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
17:10:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
17:10:30 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-184: Add a data element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:30 <hober> ISSUE-185?
17:10:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
17:10:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
17:10:34 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-185: Drop the pubdate attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:38 <hober> rubys: Call for Proposals on all three closes Jan 7
17:10:51 <tantek> what was the feedback?
17:10:54 <hober> rubys: we have proposals on all three, feedback has been posted for them
17:11:03 <hober> ... feedback was posted on the list
17:11:24 <hober> ... links to feedback are in the agenda
17:11:43 <tantek> thanks hober
17:11:45 <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
17:11:51 <hober> rubys: there are none
17:11:55 <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
17:11:59 <hober> rubys: there are none
17:12:02 <hober> Topic: Other Business
17:12:13 <hober> Open Web Platform Weekly Summary (2011-11-14 to 2011-11-20)
17:12:18 <hober> http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-20.html
17:12:19 <pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-14 - 2011-11-20 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
17:12:31 <rubys> http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-21.html
17:12:32 <pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-21 - 2011-11-28 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
17:12:33 <Julian> q+ to ask about W3C and WhatWG specs being out of sync
17:12:52 <hober> rubys: Dec meeting schedule
17:13:03 <hober> ... no meeting on dec 29th
17:13:13 <hober> ... otherwise dec. weekly meetings will proceed as normal
17:13:23 <Julian> Zakim, unmute me
17:13:23 <Zakim> Julian should no longer be muted
17:13:29 <hober> ack Julian: 
17:13:56 <hober> Julian: do we have an update about the status of the html wg / whatwg specs being out of sync?
17:14:02 <Julian> Zakim, unmute me
17:14:02 <Zakim> Julian was not muted, Julian
17:14:03 <hober> rubys: we are actively working it
17:14:06 <Julian> Zakim, mute me
17:14:06 <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
17:14:16 <hober> ... chairs are meeting tomorrow (friday) on this
17:14:21 <hober> ... jeff jaffe is aware of this
17:14:30 <hober> ... we're looking at 9 separate ways to deal with this
17:14:32 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
17:14:43 <hober> ... we don't have a resolution yet, but it is a priority for us to deal with
17:15:02 <tantek> Zakim, q+ to mention 4th issue related to time
17:15:02 <Zakim> I see Julian, tantek on the speaker queue
17:15:07 <Julian> q-
17:15:11 <hober> rubys: any other other business?
17:15:16 <tantek> Zakim, unmute tantek
17:15:16 <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
17:15:31 <hober> tantek: looking at 3 <time>-related issues mentioned
17:15:37 <hober> tantek: fourth issue didn't get recorded
17:15:52 <tantek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0186.html
17:15:53 <pimpbot> Title: Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1) from Tantek Çelik on 2011-11-19 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
17:16:01 <hober> ... sam had noted the enhancements hixie made to <time> were beyond the original proposal
17:16:21 <tantek> in short:
17:16:25 <tantek> 4. Enhance the time element to fully represent the date time types
17:16:25 <tantek> that the input element can capture. Most of these are also covered by
17:16:25 <tantek> issue 1, with the exception of year-week only dates and thus this is a
17:16:26 <tantek> delta issue from that issue with a corresponding delta change
17:16:26 <tantek> proposal:
17:16:26 <tantek> http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/time_input_match
17:16:27 <pimpbot> Title: User:Tantekelik/time input match - W3C Wiki (at www.w3.org)
17:16:37 <hober> rubys: happy to include this in the first issue, or as a new issue
17:16:45 <hober> tantek: fewer issues are better
17:16:51 <hober> tantek: talked about this at f2f
17:17:07 <hober> tantek: i'd prefer to keep this separate, since the first issue got at least rough consensus at the f2f
17:17:19 <hober> rubys: we did get pushback on the list from people not at the f2f
17:17:28 <hober> tantek: on that specific issue (year-week)
17:17:31 <hober> rubys: not sure
17:17:42 <Zakim> + +1.720.934.aadd
17:17:45 <hober> tantek: the pushback i saw on-list was primarily related to pubdate="" and <data>
17:17:50 <hober> rubys: i'll get back to you
17:18:06 <hober> q?
17:18:09 <hober> ack tantek
17:18:09 <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to mention 4th issue related to time
17:18:16 <tantek> Zakim, mute tantek
17:18:16 <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
17:18:20 <hober> Topic: scribe for next meeting
17:18:21 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
17:18:27 <hober> rubys: any volunteers?
17:18:46 <hober> Topic: Adjournment
17:18:50 <Zakim> -glenn
17:18:54 <Zakim> -Mike
17:18:55 <Zakim> -mjs
17:18:57 <Zakim> -??P6
17:18:58 <Zakim> - +1.720.934.aadd
17:18:59 <Zakim> -Sam
17:19:01 <Zakim> -[Apple]
17:19:01 <Zakim> -kimberly
17:19:03 <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
17:19:03 <janina> janina has left #html-wg
17:19:05 <Zakim> -tantek
17:19:12 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
17:19:18 <hober> RRSAgent: make minutes
17:19:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-html-wg-minutes.html hober
17:19:36 <hober> RRSAgent: make minutes public
17:19:36 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', hober.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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17:20:27 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15007] Add an API to queue a task <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0027.html>
17:20:46 <MikeSmith> hober: RRSAgent, make logs worldI
17:20:50 <MikeSmith> I think
17:21:01 <MikeSmith> or "make logs public"
17:21:05 <tantek> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:21:10 <Zakim> -Julian
17:21:12 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
17:21:14 <Zakim> Attendees were kimberly, Sam, glenn, Radhika_Roy, hober, Julian, mjs, Laura_Carlson, +1.415.871.aacc, Mike, tantek, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.720.934.aadd
17:21:21 <MikeSmith> cheers brothermans
17:21:30 <tantek> Zakim, aacc is tantek
17:21:30 <Zakim> sorry, tantek, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
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17:29:58 <tantek> rubys, looks like the issue 4 I noted in that email will likely become issue 187 - would it be possible to give it the same timeline (CfP etc.) as the other 3 (183-185) ?
17:30:17 <tantek> I think it would be confusing if it had a different schedule.
17:30:50 <rubys> tantek: can you take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0181.html ?
17:30:52 <pimpbot> Title: Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1) from Marat Tanalin | tanalin.com on 2011-11-18 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
17:32:02 <rubys> if we have multiple competing change proposals, I think we should go with your preference for fewer issues, as the motivation for separate issues was (AIUI) to seize the opportunity for consensus on what we can (something I enthusiatically support)
17:34:50 <tantek> somehow I missed Marat's change proposal
17:37:24 <rubys> I've gone back through the emails for the past month and added the relevant ones to the three issues.
17:37:50 <tantek> great
17:37:58 <rubys> I'm only listing ones that are potentially critical, not the ones that supported the proposal, as these will be the ones that need to be addressed.
17:38:08 <rubys> I did this quickly -- some of them may have already been addressed.
17:38:38 <tantek> no problem - that focus makes sense
17:38:41 <rubys> If we can find a way to split out an issue over which there is no dissent, I would support that.
17:40:48 <tantek> ok. from reviewing Marat's change proposal it seems like the first part about simplifying the datetime syntax is orthogonal (complementary) to the enhanced_time element change proposal I made.
17:41:07 <tantek> however it conflicts with drop_pubdate
17:41:54 <tantek> and I would disagree with renaming @datetime to @value, as well as adding @update/pubupdate (for the same reasons I think it makes sense to drop_pubdate)
17:42:06 <rubys> If you can get with marat and come to closure on these topics?
17:43:06 <rubys> it would be wonderful to have consensus on all or even part of 183.  We can then work 185 separately.
17:43:31 <tantek> ok
17:49:14 <tantek> rubys - I'd prefer fewer issue too, but for now, since we've already got separate change proposals (plus the point about rough f2f consensus), could you create http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187 for the issue 4 (enhance time with year-week) that I mentioned?
17:50:01 <tantek> and I'll go through the Related notes: emails you added to 183-185 and update the change proposals accordingly.
17:50:03 <tantek> thanks.
17:50:38 <rubys> tantek: can you give me until tomorrow?  I want to check with mjs and paulc.
17:50:49 <tantek> of course
17:50:55 <rubys> thanks.
17:51:05 <tantek> it will take me at least that long to also go through all the related emails.
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18:50:51 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13614] Do not obsolete abbr on TH and TD <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0028.html>
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19:21:01 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15032] New: Use 'after' (not 'before') to describe cue list creation algorithm. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0030.html> 4** [Bug 15031] New: MediaController: Event handler 'ontimeupdate' has event type 'durationchange' instead of 'timeupdate' <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0029.html>
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20:07:59 <stpeter_> MikeSmith: are you around?
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20:15:19 <rubys> stpeter_: it is 5:15am in Japan.  Not likely.
20:16:11 <stpeter_> rubys: he said he would join a call right now about the URL parsing spec, but perhaps he nodded off or his alarm didn't raise him from a deep slumber :)
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20:32:45 <stpeter_> we found him :) thanks
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20:39:20 <pimpbot> planet: Paul Rouget: Faster Canvas Pixel Manipulation with Typed Arrays <11http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/12/faster-canvas-pixel-manipulation-with-typed-arrays/>
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