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15:56:46 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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15:56:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:56:50 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:56:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
15:56:51 <trackbot> Date: 23 November 2011
15:57:15 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Nov/0000.html
15:57:21 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:57:25 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:57:35 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:57:38 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:57:43 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:57:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:58:47 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix
15:59:06 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
15:59:06 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Nov/0004.html
15:59:13 <Zakim> +??P0
15:59:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:59:25 <matial> zakim, ??P0 is me
15:59:25 <Zakim> +matial; got it
16:00:07 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
16:00:43 <David> I'm having some phone problems.
16:00:43 <stpeter> dialing in now
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16:02:17 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:02:17 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:02:18 <Zakim> +Richard
16:02:22 <Zakim> + +1.720.256.aaaa
16:02:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:13 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
16:03:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see matial, Addison_Phillips, Richard, stpeter, anne
16:03:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see prashant, r12a, Zakim, RRSAgent, David, matial, aphillip, stpeter, TANU, MikeSmith, anne, trackbot
16:04:46 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
16:04:57 <aphillip> - felix blog post
16:05:14 <aphillip> - jlreq document
16:05:23 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:06:00 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
16:06:23 <aphillip> close ACTION-79
16:06:23 <trackbot> ACTION-79 Draft a blog post about HTML5 need for translate attribute, including why a language attribute can't do it closed
16:06:56 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:07:07 <kojiishi> kojiishi has joined #i18n
16:07:16 <r12a> http://w3c-test.org/framework/results/i18n-html5/ 
16:07:24 <aphillip> richard: test framwork stuff moving along
16:07:29 <aphillip> .... not complete
16:07:35 <aphillip> ... one of several planning ot put up
16:07:50 <aphillip> ... need some coding on framework to allow to work without manual intervention
16:07:53 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/character-encoding/results-basics
16:07:57 <aphillip> ... no one to do that
16:07:59 <Zakim> +Norbert
16:08:05 <aphillip> richard: results summary pages
16:08:07 <Norbert> Norbert has joined #i18n
16:08:37 <aphillip> ... will offer to html5 folks to allow in their test suites
16:09:06 <aphillip> Topic: IRI Progress and Status Report from IETF82
16:10:12 <aphillip> peter: had a session at IETF meeting
16:10:28 <aphillip> ... didn't talk much about work to be done at w3
16:10:40 <aphillip> ... mostly work on 3987bis and 4395bis
16:10:57 <aphillip> ... no one complained that W3C would work on iri reference/parsting document
16:11:03 <aphillip> s/parsting/parsing/
16:11:14 <Zakim> +??P13
16:11:16 <aphillip> ... if anyone would like to provide feedback, need to get clear on that
16:11:19 <David> David has joined #i18n
16:11:23 <kojiishi> zakim, ??p13 is me
16:11:23 <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
16:11:50 <aphillip> richard: help to step back of outline of the documents
16:12:13 <aphillip> peter: had discussions about spinning up IRI WG
16:12:33 <aphillip> ... wanted a document about parsing IRIs and URIs
16:12:45 <aphillip> ... not something we've succeeded in IRI WG
16:12:51 <aphillip> ... so move to W3C??
16:13:14 <aphillip> peter: other items on IETF's plate
16:13:19 <aphillip> ... mainly 3987bis
16:13:27 <aphillip> ... most difficult issues are:
16:13:27 <r12a> at IETF
16:13:37 <aphillip> ... protocol vs. presentation element
16:13:52 <aphillip> ... other issues, minor wording changes
16:14:00 <aphillip> ... Larry Masinter and Martin Duerst working on that
16:14:07 <aphillip> peter: also have 4396-bis
16:14:15 <aphillip> ... procedures for registering URI schemes
16:14:24 <aphillip> ... updating to fit IRIs into that world
16:14:46 <aphillip> ... and process related issues/descriptions in line with best practice and consensus on how it should work
16:14:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:15:05 <aphillip> ... make it easier to register schems
16:15:15 <aphillip> s/schems/schemes/
16:15:15 <aphillip> peter: some split out items
16:15:19 <aphillip> ... one on bidi processing
16:15:29 <aphillip> ... one on processing-but-not-parsing
16:15:35 <Zakim> +David
16:15:38 <aphillip> ... may merge back to 3987bis
16:15:59 <aphillip> peter: hope to finish early next year
16:16:11 <aphillip> addison: done means go to last call?
16:16:17 <David> zakim, mute me
16:16:17 <Zakim> David should now be muted
16:16:35 <aphillip> peter: yes. (explains IETF process)
16:16:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:18:08 <anne> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abarth-url
16:18:13 <anne> is one such document
16:18:24 <r12a> document about how to properly parse an iri into constituent bits (Barth document)
16:18:29 <Zakim> -David
16:19:15 <anne> abarth actually started from scratch
16:19:38 <stpeter> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/url/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
16:19:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:20:33 <aphillip> peter: discussion with paul and sam at tpac
16:20:44 <aphillip> ... want to pull out into separate document and work from there
16:21:24 <r12a> ... mike smith was going to take the point on this
16:21:33 <r12a> ... would be referenced by other specs
16:22:10 <aphillip> addison: just concerned that someone is on receiving end
16:22:25 <aphillip> peter: mike stepped up, we/html needs to figure out
16:22:39 <aphillip> richard: mike also had some questions
16:24:05 <aphillip> addison: do you see core spec dependent on parsing spec?
16:24:19 <aphillip> peter: no, but needs to coordinate, pay attention to same issues
16:28:27 <aphillip> anne: needs to be a REC 
16:28:56 <aphillip> ... unclear why split out from IRI?
16:36:59 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: invite mike or set up supplementary call to discuss progress on IRI
16:37:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Invite mike or set up supplementary call to discuss progress on IRI [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-11-30].
16:37:44 <aphillip> richard: ask if a better day/time
16:38:13 <aphillip> s/mike/mike and martin/
16:39:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:39:43 <Zakim> -anne
16:39:55 <aphillip> Topic: JLReq
16:40:01 <Zakim> -stpeter
16:40:06 <aphillip> richard: heads up
16:40:19 <aphillip> ... next tuesday will publish new working draft of JLReq
16:40:42 <aphillip> ... task force is keen to press ahead
16:40:54 <aphillip> ... not clear if WG needs to approve
16:41:04 <aphillip> Chair: any objections to publishing this document?
16:41:40 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-jlreq-20111129/Overview.html 
16:42:19 <aphillip> richard: plan is to publish so we have dated version of WD, but short name will take you to the old version
16:43:08 <aphillip> ... changes are there is a part 4
16:43:17 <anne> anne has left #i18n
16:43:36 <aphillip> koji: agree to publish
16:43:42 <aphillip> mati: don't disagree
16:43:56 <aphillip> norbert: no objections to publishing a WG
16:44:05 <aphillip> chair: WG approves publication
16:44:14 <aphillip> s/a WG/a WD/
16:44:19 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:44:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:44:52 <aphillip> Topic: Review Felix's Blog Entry 
16:44:53 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Nov/0006.html
16:45:43 <aphillip> richard: read and think it is pitched incorrectly
16:46:02 <aphillip> ... what we really need is something that summarizes pros/cons in bugzilla thread
16:46:21 <aphillip> ... so we can get MS and Google people on same page
16:46:42 <aphillip> norbert: can't tell with @translate would do/not do
16:46:47 <aphillip> ... from article
16:46:59 <aphillip> addison: need examples
16:47:37 <aphillip> richard: first part of second para... this is not a problem of translation agenices (etc.)
16:47:51 <aphillip> ... is a problem for them, but needs to be solved before it gets to them
16:48:04 <aphillip> norbert: they do care, but cannot fix it
16:48:39 <aphillip> richard: obtained a contact at google about this topic
16:49:21 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: talk to felix about fixing draft of blog article on 'translate' attribute
16:49:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Talk to felix about fixing draft of blog article on 'translate' attribute [on Richard Ishida - due 2011-11-30].
16:49:47 <aphillip> Topic: ECMAScript Globalization Progress
16:50:04 <aphillip> norbert: lot going on last week
16:50:15 <aphillip> ... had meeting of i18n ad hoc to work on standard
16:50:28 <aphillip> ... discussion was focused on making things less specified
16:50:43 <aphillip> ... allowed for alternative algorithm for "best fit"
16:50:54 <aphillip> norbert: went to TC39 next day
16:51:01 <aphillip> ... and they feel things are too loosely specified
16:51:11 <aphillip> ... and they want same behaviro for a given locale
16:51:36 <aphillip> norbert: lots of discussion
16:51:43 <aphillip> ... in particular setting global locale
16:51:52 <aphillip> ... bu tther eare problems with that
16:52:03 <aphillip> norbert: want pattern or skeleton instead of options
16:52:12 <aphillip> s/want/another person wants/
16:52:23 <aphillip> ... still working on es-discuss to try and resolve
16:53:26 <aphillip> s/bu ther/but there/
17:07:20 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
17:07:46 <Zakim> -kojiishi
17:07:49 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
17:07:50 <Zakim> -Norbert
17:08:00 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
17:08:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:08:04 <Zakim> -matial
17:08:10 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
17:08:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard
17:08:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, kojiishi, r12a, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, stpeter, MikeSmith, trackbot
17:08:18 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
17:08:23 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
17:08:27 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
17:08:31 <aphillip> zakim, bye
17:08:32 <Zakim> Attendees were matial, Addison_Phillips, Richard, +1.720.256.aaaa, stpeter, anne, Norbert, kojiishi, David
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17:08:44 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
17:08:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:08:47 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
17:08:47 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-actions.rdf :
17:08:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: invite mike or set up supplementary call to discuss progress on IRI [1]
17:08:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-irc#T16-36-59
17:08:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: talk to felix about fixing draft of blog article on 'translate' attribute [2]
17:08:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-i18n-irc#T16-49-21