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13:28:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
13:28:22 <trackbot> Date: 23 November 2011
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13:29:22 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:29:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:29:33 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
13:29:33 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
13:30:33 <shadi> agenda+ Welcome
13:30:33 <shadi> agenda+ Complete log of issues
13:30:33 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Test Suite
13:30:33 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Checker(s)
13:30:33 <shadi> agenda+ REC-track of EARL modules?
13:30:34 <shadi> agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule 
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13:31:11 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
13:31:33 <Zakim> +??P10
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13:31:57 <philipA> Zakim, ??P10 is philipA
13:31:57 <Zakim> +philipA; got it
13:32:02 <Zakim> + +030001aaaa
13:32:25 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Emmanuelle
13:32:26 <Zakim> +Emmanuelle; got it
13:32:36 <Zakim> +??P12
13:32:55 <shadi> zakim, ??p12 is CarlosV
13:32:55 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
13:33:06 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:33:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, philipA, Emmanuelle (muted), CarlosV
13:33:54 <shadi> agenda?
13:34:51 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:34:51 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Complete log of issues" taken up [from shadi]
13:35:04 <cstrobbe> scribe: cstrobbe
13:35:24 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues>
13:35:24 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/guide-issues>
13:35:24 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/issues>
13:35:24 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/issues>
13:35:26 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Pointers/issues> 
13:36:36 <cstrobbe> Comments, open issues, pending issues, resolutions all logged at http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues and the other URLs
13:36:56 <cstrobbe> EARL Guide needs editing.
13:37:41 <cstrobbe> WG participants should check the list, the resolutions and the open issues.
13:38:29 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: Talk to Semantic Web people on OWL etc?
13:38:53 <cstrobbe> Shadi: See first 5 open issues.
13:39:30 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Could use some help on design of the Schema (OWL constraints, conformance requirements).
13:40:17 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Also, send your thoughts to the list.
13:40:41 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Third issue: dc or dct prefix: conflicting comments.
13:40:56 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Samuel was also going to look into this.
13:41:31 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: Elsewhere comments preferred dct.
13:42:16 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Fourth issue: profiles for conformance. About how to phrase conformance requirements.
13:42:51 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Some other W3C specs use profiles. Please look into this and discuss it on the mailing list.
13:43:18 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Fifth open issue: move conformance to the top of the document.
13:44:44 <cstrobbe> CStrobbe: other W3C specs: no consistency in where they put the conformance section.
13:45:12 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Pending = we took a resolution but action is required to update the draft.
13:45:53 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/guide-issues
13:46:01 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Open issues for the EARL Guide.
13:46:46 <cstrobbe> Shadi: dc vs dct prefix issue propagates through all the EARL docs. 
13:48:41 <cstrobbe> Shadi: open issue on overlap between TAP and xUnit : no overlap; see we could take a resolution today.
13:49:06 <cstrobbe> Shadi: subsequent discussion with TAP people: e.g. TAP also supports streaming.
13:50:42 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: The use cases for TAP and xUnit are significantly different from EARL so that further work is not necessary.
13:51:11 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
13:51:12 <Zakim> agendum 3. "EARL 1.0 Test Suite" taken up [from shadi]
13:51:18 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/tests/
13:51:57 <cstrobbe> Shadi: EARL can't pass Candidate Recommendation phase without a test suite.
13:52:16 <cstrobbe> Shadi: A test suite would help evaluate an implementation.
13:52:40 <cstrobbe> Shadi: We need to think about both EARL input and EARL output.
13:52:47 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/tests/test0001.rdf
13:53:01 <cstrobbe> Shadi: minimal test file / EARL report.
13:53:36 <cstrobbe> Shadi: The second test could be a complete example with example code from the spec.
13:53:49 <cstrobbe> Shadi: We have something like that in the EARL Guide.
13:54:38 <cstrobbe> Shadi: A complete working example that we can use throughout. Using all the features.
13:55:21 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: Working on HTTP-in-RDF.
13:55:51 <philipA> <rdf:RDF
13:55:52 <philipA>     xmlns:cs="http://imergo.com/ns/2012/compliancesets#"
13:55:54 <philipA>     xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
13:55:55 <philipA>     xmlns:foaf="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/"
13:55:57 <philipA>     xmlns:dct="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
13:55:58 <philipA>     xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#"
13:56:00 <philipA>   xml:base="http://imergo.com/ns/tests/F30.rdf">
13:56:01 <philipA>   <cs:ComplianceTest rdf:about="">
13:56:03 <philipA>     <dct:source rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#media-equiv-av-only-alt"/>
13:56:04 <philipA>     <dct:source rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#text-equiv-all"/>
13:56:06 <philipA>     <cs:type rdf:resource="http://imergo.com/ns/2012/compliancesets#failure"/>
13:56:07 <philipA>     <dct:license rdf:resource="http://www.imergo.com/LICENSE.html"/>
13:56:09 <philipA>     <dct:rightsHolder>
13:56:10 <philipA>       <foaf:Organization rdf:about="http://www.fit.fraunhofer.de"/>
13:56:12 <philipA>     </dct:rightsHolder>
13:56:13 <philipA>     <dct:conformsTo rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/F30"/>
13:56:15 <philipA>     <dct:description>This describes a failure condition for all techniques involving text alternatives. If the text in the "text alternative" cannot be used in place of the non-text content without losing information or function then it fails because it is not, in fact, an alternative to the non-text content.</dct:description>
13:56:18 <philipA>     <dct:title>F30: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 and 1.2.1 due to using text alternatives that are not alternatives (e.g., filenames or placeholder text)</dct:title>
13:56:21 <philipA>   </cs:ComplianceTest>
13:56:23 <philipA>   <foaf:Organization rdf:about="http://www.fit.fraunhofer.de">
13:56:25 <philipA>     <rdfs:label>Fraunhofer Gesellschaft</rdfs:label>
13:56:27 <philipA>     <foaf:homepage rdf:resource="http://www.fit.fraunhofer.de"/>
13:56:29 <philipA>   </foaf:Organization>
13:56:31 <philipA> </rdf:RDF>
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13:58:42 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: working on test case description; cf TCDL.
13:59:04 <cstrobbe> Carlos: Also have expected outcome and pointers.
14:00:04 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: SPARQL was also under consideration.
14:01:48 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Oct/att-0014/wcag10.rdf
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14:06:53 <shadi> zakim, ??p14 is samuelm
14:06:53 <Zakim> +samuelm; got it
14:09:30 <cstrobbe> Shadi: We should generate tests, each of which highlights a different feature, e.g. subclass Info, ...
14:10:06 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: We need test files and derived EARL reports for these test files.
14:13:10 <cstrobbe> Shadi: For the test suite, we want test reports rather than test descriptions.
14:14:33 <cstrobbe> Shadi: First example is minimal; could use earl:Assertor instead.
14:15:23 <cstrobbe> Shadi: If everyone generates 5-10 files, we have a nice set.
14:15:33 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: CVS access?
14:16:05 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Yes, or just send them to me. But we will need to think about where to put them for public access.
14:16:37 <cstrobbe> ChristopheS: Then, what exactly do we do with the test files?
14:17:05 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Tools that input EARL...
14:17:36 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:17:36 <Zakim> agendum 4. "EARL 1.0 Checker(s)" taken up [from shadi]
14:18:14 <cstrobbe> Shadi: We need EARL checkers: software that checks the report to check that it is valid. Cf conformance requirements.
14:18:58 <cstrobbe> Shadi: There are PHP RDF libraries and libraries in other languages. A checker could be fairly simple.
14:23:33 <cstrobbe> Shadi: We'll need at least the test suite to enter CR; we will also need the EARL checker to exit Candidate Recommendation phase.
14:23:41 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:23:41 <Zakim> agendum 5. "REC-track of EARL modules?" taken up [from shadi]
14:24:14 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Open issue: other specification on Recommendation track.
14:24:47 <cstrobbe> Shadi: This would imply more test suites, implementation documentation and more checkers.
14:25:35 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Keeping modules off REC track, to avoid getting locked in CR phase?
14:26:05 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Currently, only EARL Schema is on REC track; all other documents are planned to become WG Notes.
14:26:23 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Any objections or comments?
14:27:22 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: Implementation could be quite complex with some of the specs.
14:28:29 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: Keep EARL modules as Working Group Notes.
14:29:15 <cstrobbe> Shadi: Open action items.
14:29:52 <cstrobbe> samuelm: Contradictory sources regarding dc versus dct namespace prefix.
14:30:23 <cstrobbe> Shadi: On Dublin Core site: contact them on the latest status.
14:31:18 <cstrobbe> samuelm: dc or dct is just a convention; we may not get a definitive answer from Dublin Core.
14:31:37 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:31:37 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]
14:31:51 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:32:11 <cstrobbe> Shadi: No meeting next week, nor on 7 December.
14:33:03 <cstrobbe> Shadi: By next meeting (14 December): drafts for WG member to look at. Please also work on the test suites and possibly an EARL checker.
14:33:15 <Zakim> -samuelm
14:33:16 <Zakim> -philipA
14:33:18 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
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14:33:21 <Zakim> -shadi
14:33:22 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:33:25 <Zakim> Attendees were shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, philipA, +030001aaaa, Emmanuelle, CarlosV, samuelm
14:33:33 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:33:33 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:33:33 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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