14:59:35 RRSAgent has joined #gld 14:59:35 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/11/17-gld-irc 14:59:37 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:59:38 Zakim has joined #gld 14:59:40 Zakim, this will be EGOV_GLD 14:59:40 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 14:59:42 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 14:59:44 Date: 17 November 2011 14:59:46 Hi all.. 14:59:52 zakim, this is gld 14:59:55 Zakim, wo is here? 14:59:57 ok, sandro; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 14:59:58 sorry, gatemezi, I do not understand your question 15:00:12 zakim, code? 15:00:13 sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ -- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.11.17 15:00:24 michael the code 15:00:24 45394# 15:00:30 the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2 15:00:51 +cygri 15:00:53 +[IPcaller] 15:00:55 Zakim, I am cygri 15:01:05 Zakim, BenediktKaempgen is with me 15:01:11 ok, mhausenblas, I now associate you with cygri 15:01:16 zakim, IPcaller is me 15:01:21 +BenediktKaempgen; got it 15:01:32 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 15:01:33 +[IPcaller.a] 15:01:35 +PhilA2; got it 15:01:41 + +1.440.389.aacc 15:01:44 LyleBurgoon has joined #gld 15:01:46 zakim, aacc is me 15:01:47 +HadleyBeeman; got it 15:01:53 zakim, IPcaller.a is me 15:01:53 +Yigal; got it 15:02:15 + +1.757.604.aadd 15:02:15 scribe: PhilA2 15:02:17 Cory has joined #gld 15:02:22 scribenick: PhilA2 15:02:25 zakim, who is on the call? 15:02:44 John has joined #GLD 15:02:45 On the phone I see David, +1.202.691.aaaa, +49.133.6.aabb, sandro, cygri, PhilA2, Yigal, HadleyBeeman, +1.757.604.aadd 15:02:48 cygri has cygri, BenediktKaempgen 15:02:59 Zakim, aadd is me. 15:02:59 +GeraldSteeman; got it 15:03:02 +Cory 15:03:15 + +1.919.541.aaee 15:03:16 David is bhyland 15:03:28 bhyland is BernHyland 15:03:46 zakim, David is really BernHyland 15:03:47 +BernHyland; got it 15:03:59 chair: BernHyland 15:04:14 rreck has joined #GLD 15:04:30 +??P8 15:05:02 zakim, who is here? 15:05:02 On the phone I see BernHyland, +1.202.691.aaaa, +49.133.6.aabb, sandro, cygri, PhilA2, Yigal, HadleyBeeman, GeraldSteeman, Cory, +1.919.541.aaee, ??P8 15:05:05 cygri has cygri, BenediktKaempgen 15:05:08 On IRC I see rreck, John, Cory, LyleBurgoon, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA2, GeraldSteeman, Yigal, boris, DanG, HadleyBeeman, mhausenblas, MacTed, BenediktKaempgen, 15:05:11 ... gatemezi, BernHyland, trackbot, sandro 15:05:42 zakim, aaaa is DanG 15:05:42 +DanG; got it 15:05:44 Zakim, Ghislain is really gatemezi 15:05:44 sorry, gatemezi, I do not recognize a party named 'Ghislain' 15:05:46 zakim, aaaa is DanG 15:05:46 sorry, BernHyland, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' 15:06:16 * benedikt is fine also, thanks boris 15:06:37 zakim, aaaa is DanG 15:06:37 sorry, PhilA2, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' 15:06:46 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:06:47 On the phone I see BernHyland, DanG, +49.133.6.aabb, sandro, cygri, PhilA2, Yigal, HadleyBeeman, GeraldSteeman, Cory, +1.919.541.aaee, ??P8 15:06:49 cygri has cygri, BenediktKaempgen 15:06:55 +??P9 15:07:29 Zakim, ??p9 is me 15:07:29 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 15:07:40 +1.919.541.aaee is LyleBurgoon 15:08:29 cgueret_home has joined #gld 15:08:33 hello! 15:08:44 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:08:44 On the phone I see BernHyland, DanG, +49.133.6.aabb, sandro, cygri, PhilA2, Yigal, HadleyBeeman, GeraldSteeman, Cory, +1.919.541.aaee, ??P8, BartvanLeeuwen 15:08:48 cygri has cygri, BenediktKaempgen 15:09:37 +??P11 15:09:52 Topic: Scribing 15:09:52 + +91.11.41.29.aaff 15:10:07 BernHyland: Asks for people to take scribing seriously and offer to do it :-) 15:10:38 zakim, aaff is DipLav 15:10:38 +DipLav; got it 15:11:09 BernHyland: Wants to record regrets too 15:11:22 ... so that should be added to he checklist for each meeting 15:11:28 Topic: Last week's minutes 15:11:55 Today's agenda is http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.11.17 15:11:57 minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2011Nov/0018.html 15:12:05 s/minutes/agenda/ 15:12:05 +1 to minutes 15:12:10 Cheers, Yigal and PhilA2! Much appreciated 15:12:18 last telecon minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-11-10 15:12:26 +1 minutes 15:12:42 Biplav has joined #gld 15:12:50 resolution: minutes accepted 15:13:04 Topic: Current Action Items 15:13:16 BernHyland: Please don't be too shy of taking action items 15:13:22 ... everyone is busy 15:13:23 zakim, aaee is LyleBurgoon 15:13:23 +LyleBurgoon; got it 15:13:30 ... but we need to show progress 15:13:42 action-8 not discussed today as needs George 15:14:11 ACTION 8? 15:14:11 Sorry, bad ACTION syntax 15:14:31 Can't handle action 9 as John E not here 15:15:30 action-11 pending 15:15:52 action-13 pending http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/13 15:16:13 DanG:We're working on a content model, registration model and catalogue model ?? 15:16:19 ... getting close to consensus 15:16:36 BernHyland: Do you want comments from this group? 15:16:54 DanG: Yes, but I have to get it out of the committee by Thursday 15:17:09 @PhilA2, we're going thru actions now & will hit each of the main deliverables categories next. 15:17:15 ... work is under Dev, need to make sure with them that it's OK with them to put out to wider review 15:17:40 PhilA2: Notes that's the same situation I'm in with EU stuff 15:17:51 BernHyland: The sooner you can bring it to us the more we can help 15:17:55 +1 on wider review 15:18:02 DanG: I'll see if I can post it in the nexct couple of days 15:18:13 action-15 pending http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/15 15:18:24 BernHyland: George nad I have discussed it. We took a poll of 27 people 15:18:44 ... lots of people can make it to the f2f 15:19:02 ... lots of people said that they could travel to Galway but yeses came with caveats 15:19:17 ... 2ndary location. Most people firmly said yes (of those that said yes) 15:19:24 ... boils down to a 50-50 split 15:19:38 .. I cannot make it to Galway which I'd v much like to 15:20:02 ... would like to honour US/EU split but can't at the moment. George also not sure that he can travel 15:20:17 ... puts us in an awkward situation sadly 15:20:25 Sandro does have permission to travel 15:20:35 Lets decide we will do it in both locations 15:20:39 survey results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47663/f2f2_location/results 15:20:44 BernHyland: What are people's feelings of having it in 2 locations? 15:20:54 I think screen sharing is more important than video 15:20:58 BernHyland: Note that there is no video conferenceing available at DERI 15:21:16 BernHyland: Going to be via dinky cameras on people's laptops 15:21:34 sandro: It may not be that bad. I've had reasonable luck using a separate camera 15:21:47 q? 15:21:48 BernHyland: I'm really disappointed but it seems unavoidable 15:21:50 W3c could charter a jet for us : ) 15:22:00 :) 15:22:06 I am a bit concerned that the time zones will be hard if we are in two separate places. 15:22:29 Dagstuhl? 15:22:43 yes 15:22:50 BernHyland: +1 to Hadley 15:23:00 ... RDF WG started at 7am in Boston 15:23:16 Since the economic situation is similar for other WGs, how are they handling it? I am wondering if this will be typical for future meetings. 15:23:46 sandro: the agenda for the RDF WG we started at 07:00 ending at 15:00. Then we ended up talking among oursleves for a couple of hours befiore early dinner 15:23:57 q+ 15:24:01 Dagstuhl is a very good idea 15:24:11 BernHyland: I can get to a venue for a 07:00 start 15:24:39 ??: it becomes a US breakout session in the afertnoon 15:24:47 s/??/cory/ 15:24:48 q- 15:25:04 Yes. 15:25:10 BernHyland: Dan suggested that his org can provide a location in DC 15:25:15 NSF 15:25:29 NITR? 15:25:37 ... and {??} can provide one for June 15:25:45 NITRD 15:25:48 {??} is NITRD 15:26:07 Dan at BLS? 15:26:07 close action-15 15:26:08 ACTION-15 Work on co-location tools and logistics closed 15:26:10 F2F1 was at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/F2F1 15:26:28 BernHyland: will work on dual location for 25-26 Jan 2012 15:26:47 BernHyland: George and I will work with DanG 15:27:07 DanG: I need to know how many people to expect so I can get the right sized room, internet connections etc 15:27:12 Yes, Dan is at Bureau of Labor Statistics in DC, across from Union Station, easy access from Metro 15:27:25 DanG: we're right across the street from Union Station 15:27:32 sandro: I'd plan for 15 15:27:36 If we're in DC I'll go there instead of Galway. 15:27:39 DanG: 20 isn't a problem 15:28:05 Proposed Resolution: That we will hold teh January face to face meeting in 2 locations 15:28:06 +1 to not seeing an alternative 15:28:10 +1 15:28:25 Resolution: That we will hold the January face to face meeting in 2 locations 15:28:45 mhausenblas: I see no alternative 15:28:45 +1 yeah I'm not happy about it, but I don't see an alternative. let's make it work. :-) 15:29:10 BernHyland: To be honest, we'll have a lot to look at on a screen anyway so I'm not too depressed about it in terms of it working 15:29:27 ... I don't think we have the same level of difficulty that the RDF WG had 15:29:39 q+ to ask about microphones etc. 15:30:28 PhilA2: Can you reflect on the experience of the TPAC meeting 15:30:44 BernHyland: For one thing we in the GLD will all know each other better 15:30:58 ... since we're better acquainted, we should be more productive 15:31:10 ... many of our working relationships transcend the GLD 15:31:33 ... hopefully if people have signed up then they're well focussed on the work 15:32:43 PhilA2: Suggested that having skype calls if we only have one polycom … to be determined when we know more about the site. 15:33:17 PhilA2: Both locations can offer multiple microphones on their Polycoms 15:33:37 BernHyland: I think community building is important, shared meals etc. 15:33:56 ... I'm keen to have the next f2f in May or June in DERI 15:34:08 ... travel budgets should be a little easier then we hope 15:34:29 sandro: The other logistics thing there is to plan to arrange the tables so that they sit closest to the microphones 15:34:37 +1 to building a strong gld community 15:34:48 sandro: plan tables for audio 15:35:01 Topic: Task Force Updates 15:35:09 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Community_Directory_Discussion_Summary 15:35:13 BernHyland: Start with the community directory 15:35:24 Beta version available http://dir.w3.org/ 15:35:29 ... we're in a beta phase with the dir now. We have the beta available now 15:36:19 BernHyland: this went up about 2 weeks ago. 15:36:30 ... people have been sending requests for login 15:36:33 + +1.218.296.aagg 15:36:42 zakim, +1.218.296.aagg is me 15:36:42 +rreck; got it 15:36:43 ... we have 35 organisations that have filled out the details 15:36:47 i am muted 15:36:57 zakim, mute me 15:36:57 rreck should now be muted 15:37:08 BernHyland: getting some nice feedback 15:37:37 ... Gannon mailed a lot of people and made noise in public 15:38:00 ... can we keep it to the GLD WG, not others just yet (like LOD and eGov) 15:38:23 .. most feedback has been +ve 15:38:30 ... any thoughts 15:38:32 Michael: looks great, congrats! 15:39:07 BernHyland: if your company isn't represented on the directory, please let me know (get a login and add yourself) 15:39:15 Topic: best practices 15:39:19 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary 15:39:32 mhausenblas: This wiki page is where people are making contributions 15:39:41 ... I'm working to get stuff from the wiki 15:39:50 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/file/bcb72f87b5cc/bp 15:40:15 mhausenblas: if you look at the wiki page you see a lot of people there but not all the pages are at the same stage 15:40:59 boris: I was working on the BP for vocab selection and URI construction 15:41:14 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/GLD_Life_cycle 15:41:19 ... I wanted to proposed a Gov LD life cycle based on what Bern and Michael have said 15:41:31 ... and from UPN 15:41:36 mhausenblas: taht makes a lot of sense 15:41:37 I suggest to have a small meeting for this task 15:42:03 mhausenblas: I don't think we need to consolidate these life cycles . It's OK to say here are 3 diff approaches and you can see what works for you 15:42:18 ... I;m more concerned with procurement and stability 15:42:27 s/I;m/I'm/ 15:42:43 mhausenblas: do we keep it or drop it. If keeping it, it needs to be done 15:43:05 BernHyland: John Sheridan and M Pendleton offered to work on this but he needs to get past the blank page 15:43:32 action: BernHyland to contact Mike Pendleton and John Sheridan to help them start on the procurement section of the BP 15:43:32 Sorry, couldn't find user - BernHyland 15:43:45 action: Bernadette Hyland to contact Mike Pendleton and John Sheridan to help them start on the procurement section of the BP 15:43:46 Created ACTION-21 - Hyland to contact Mike Pendleton and John Sheridan to help them start on the procurement section of the BP [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2011-11-24]. 15:44:00 i might have gone to that had i known 15:44:32 BernHyland: if there's someone in your professional network who can contribute then please have the discussion and bring that to the this group 15:45:01 ... the procurement process is very important. Often more important than the how to do it 15:45:20 mhausenblas: Much appreciated. I was hoping you'd offer to do that BernHyland 15:45:39 mhausenblas: I don't care what format it's in, I can add it to the wiki 15:45:55 BernHyland: It's always easier to look at something and commetn than to start from scratch 15:46:25 BernHyland: I've got some experience now from work in the EPA on what the requirements might be 15:46:39 ... lots of governments copy from each other 15:46:57 mhausenblas: versioning... a couple of people signed up for that but I don't see a lot there 15:47:08 zakim, unmute me 15:47:08 rreck should no longer be muted 15:47:09 BernHyland: rreck do you have anything to add on this? 15:47:35 rreck: I was talking to Anne about this yesterday. Very rough and not recordable now 15:48:03 q+ to make a comment on and make a request stability issue 15:48:31 action Ronald Reck to make a contribution to section 2.5 on stability 15:48:32 Created ACTION-22 - Reck to make a contribution to section 2.5 on stability [on Ronald Reck - due 2011-11-24]. 15:49:50 action Bernadette Hyland to contact Top Quadrant (David Price) 15:49:51 Created ACTION-23 - Hyland to contact Top Quadrant (David Price) [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2011-11-24]. 15:50:08 I can ask Bob if you want. 15:50:39 BernHyland: Remember that readership will not be experts in LD! 15:51:00 ... need to describe more, explain more. Explain what all these tools are and who they're run by (and perhaps why) 15:51:26 mhausenblas: On the LD Cookbook - maybe we can resolve issue 1 as it might become part of the directory? 15:51:48 BernHyland: We wanted to keep it as a wiki that could evolve rather than it be a (static) Rec 15:52:36 BernHyland: One piece of data that the directory could have is events. Lots of people asking for that. But advice from the cookbook doesn't feel right in the directory 15:52:50 ... but let's discuss it on the wiki 15:53:12 mhausenblas: I have to run to the next meeting. Thanks. I will solve all world problems before we meet again 15:53:27 Michael: I have to leave now, sorry - see you in two weeks time 15:53:51 http://www.semic.eu/semic/view/documents/2011-11-15_ADMS_draft_specification.pdf 15:57:09 - +49.133.6.aabb 15:57:32 PhilA2: described situation with ADMS and work in the SEMIC.EU project generally 15:57:54 ... Some people wary of putting things in the public domain for a variety of reasons 15:58:03 Core: There's a UML profile of ?? in progress 15:58:09 s/Core/Cory/ 15:58:31 Cory: one of the things I'd like to explore is an RDRF mapping of that and an XML schema form 15:58:41 s/RDRF/RDF/ 15:58:42 http://tinyurl.com/8xqy7mx 15:58:52 @PhilA2, @Cory please update the general vocab discussion wiki page with what you described today. 15:58:57 This URL is the initial NEIM-UML submission: http://tinyurl.com/8xqy7mx 16:00:02 Cory: idea here is to get a UML representation here and then see if there's interest in supporting an RDF mapping in that 16:00:26 Cory: there's so much domain work i this area. These could be used as reference for multiple vocabs 16:01:10 BernHyland: This is a big job. Volunteers won't be able to do this since iut isn't readily broken up into chunks 16:01:31 BernHyland: This is a separate conversation, but this isn't a small project nad how do we get funding for it 16:02:08 Biplav has joined #gld 16:02:18 Cory: true, But the mapping to XML is understood and then the RDF on top of that is no more than months work, not years 16:02:32 q+ 16:02:41 Cory: I guess the question is how we handle vocabs that are not in RDF nad how we might handle those 16:02:47 ack HadleyBeeman 16:02:52 q- 16:03:03 HadleyBeeman: What about the international perspective? 16:03:09 ack me 16:03:41 BernHyland: the terms we use are generic enough that they can be used anywhere. NIEM is more US-centric 16:03:50 Cory: I'm not sure I'd agree with that BernHyland 16:04:28 BernHyland: There's no participation, HadleyBeeman, that is bringing in international perspectives. Lots of hair balls already 16:05:12 I need to disconnect. For action item #19, I need a location where I can add the use-cases. I understood from last meeting that a separate page was needed, and I would be pointed to it. Will check with BernHyland and add. 16:05:16 BernHyland: We're having a hard time just getting people to add to a wiki 16:05:47 HadleyBeeman: I understand that. I'm also on the HTML vocab TF and it would be good to connect those 16:05:51 -??P11 16:06:09 s/HTML vocab/HTML Data/ 16:06:21 BernHyland: WE don't have the nadwisth to look at non-RDF vocabs 16:06:37 HTML data task force: http://www.w3.org/wiki/Html-data-tf 16:06:51 Cory: No, but we should recognise that they exist and talk about how to brign them together 16:07:47 -DipLav 16:08:01 BernHyland: Wrapping up meeting 16:08:15 oh that is during semtech 16:08:31 great, three weeks 16:08:31 BernHyland: Next meeting in 3 weeks due to obscure US-only holidays 16:08:36 bye 16:08:40 -DanG 16:08:41 -Cory 16:08:41 bye 16:08:42 Thanks Bernadette for leading us! 16:08:43 -BartvanLeeuwen 16:08:44 -BernHyland 16:08:45 -cygri 16:08:45 -HadleyBeeman 16:08:45 -PhilA2 16:08:48 Yigal has left #gld 16:08:48 -LyleBurgoon 16:08:51 -Yigal 16:09:11 Thanks Bernadette 16:09:33 HadleyBeeman has left #gld 16:09:34 thanks all !! bye 16:09:35 -GeraldSteeman 16:09:45 good bye all. 16:10:03 -rreck 16:10:08 -??P8 16:10:26 @PhilA2, you have the end of meeting stuff well in hand, right? 16:11:41 BernHyland: yes. taking care of it now 16:11:55 zakim, list participants 16:11:55 As of this point the attendees have been +1.202.691.aaaa, +49.133.6.aabb, sandro, cygri, BenediktKaempgen, PhilA2, +1.440.389.aacc, HadleyBeeman, Yigal, +1.757.604.aadd, 16:11:58 ... GeraldSteeman, Cory, +1.919.541.aaee, BernHyland, DanG, BartvanLeeuwen, +91.11.41.29.aaff, DipLav, LyleBurgoon, rreck 16:35:01 disconnecting the lone participant, sandro, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 16:35:04 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 16:35:08 Attendees were +1.202.691.aaaa, +49.133.6.aabb, sandro, cygri, BenediktKaempgen, PhilA2, +1.440.389.aacc, HadleyBeeman, Yigal, +1.757.604.aadd, GeraldSteeman, Cory, 16:35:10 ... +1.919.541.aaee, BernHyland, DanG, BartvanLeeuwen, +91.11.41.29.aaff, DipLav, LyleBurgoon, rreck 16:36:38 PhilA2 has left #gld 17:37:49 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 18:25:40 Zakim has left #gld 18:45:28 danbri has joined #gld 19:10:13 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld