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14:56:47 <Norm> invite zakim #xproc
14:57:40 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:57:40 <Norm> Date: 10 November 2011
14:57:40 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2011/11/10-agenda
14:57:40 <Norm> Meeting: 202
14:57:40 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:57:41 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:57:43 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
14:58:18 <jfuller_> ummm, lost telcon details ... anyone got uk telcon and our code ?
14:58:48 <Norm> The XML Processing Model (XProc) WG will meet on Thursday, 10 Nov 2011 at 10:00a EST (07:00a PST, 15:00GMT, 16:00CET) for one hour on the W3C Zakim Bridge, +1-617-761-6200 (or +33-4-26-46-79-03 or +44.203-318-0479), passcode 97762# ("XPROC").
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14:59:02 <ht> call today?
14:59:07 <Norm> Actually, I don't think those numbers work naymore. SIP only for UK calls?
14:59:11 <Norm> ht, yes. probably short.
14:59:19 <ht> yes, sip only for uk
14:59:19 <Norm> I suppose I should have given us the week off, but forgot
14:59:49 <Norm> zakim, code?
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15:00:19 <Norm> no, zakim's just really slow
15:00:38 <ht> zakim, this will be xproc
15:00:39 <Zakim> ok, ht; I see XML_PMWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:45 <Norm> Snowpocalypse: http://norman.walsh.name/2011/11/10/snowpocalypse
15:00:48 <jfuller_> almost there ...
15:01:47 <Norm> zakim, who's here?
15:01:59 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has not yet started, Norm
15:02:10 <Norm> zakim, this is xproc
15:02:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see ht, RRSAgent, Norm, PGrosso, jfuller_, Liam, caribou
15:02:30 <ht> zakim, code?
15:02:42 <Zakim> Norm, this was already XML_PMWG()10:00AM
15:02:44 <Zakim> ok, Norm; that matches XML_PMWG()10:00AM
15:02:49 <Norm> zakim, who's here?
15:03:12 <jfuller_> I have updated processing wg page with last minutes/todays agenda
15:03:19 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ht
15:03:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Norm, [ArborText], [IPcaller]
15:04:22 <Zakim> + +1.805.452.aaaa
15:04:34 <Norm> zakim, [ipcaller is jfuller_
15:04:41 <Norm> zakim, who's here?
15:04:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see ht, RRSAgent, Norm, PGrosso, jfuller_, Liam, caribou
15:05:04 <Zakim> +??P54
15:05:10 <Zakim> +jfuller_; got it
15:05:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Norm, [ArborText], jfuller_, +1.805.452.aaaa, ??P54
15:05:16 <Zakim> + +1.778.440.aabb
15:05:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see ht, RRSAgent, Norm, PGrosso, jfuller_, Liam, caribou
15:05:47 <ht> zakim, 805 is Cornelia
15:06:03 <Zakim> sorry, ht, I do not recognize a party named '805'
15:06:03 <ht> zakim, ??P54 is me
15:06:11 <Zakim> +ht; got it
15:06:11 <ht> zakim, +1.805 is Cornelia
15:06:17 <Zakim> +Cornelia; got it
15:06:25 <Zakim> +Carine
15:06:36 <Norm> Present: Henry, Norm, Paul, Cornelia, Jim, Murray, Carine
15:06:41 <Norm> Regrets: Vojtech, Mohamed
15:06:47 <ht> zakim, +1.778 is Murray Maloney
15:06:47 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.778 is Murray Maloney', ht
15:06:56 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
15:06:56 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2011/11/10-agenda
15:07:13 <Norm> Accepted.
15:07:50 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
15:07:50 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2011/10/31-minutes.html
15:07:50 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2011/11/01-minutes.html
15:08:02 <jfuller_> weakly scribed !
15:08:07 <jfuller_> (my contrib)
15:08:54 <Norm> Accepted.
15:09:43 <Zakim> +Alex_Milows
15:09:49 <Norm> Present: Henry, Norm, Paul, Cornelia, Jim, Murray, Carine, Alex
15:10:41 <Norm> Topic: Review of open action items
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15:11:15 <Norm> Norm: Is anyone's action blocked by someone else that they'd like to bring up?
15:11:27 <Norm> Norm: I don't hear any, so I'll try to get a summary of open actions ready by early next week.
15:12:23 <Norm> Jim: Feel free to ask if you'd like help; I did get two of them finished. I updated the charter link and I asked Geert if we could use his pipeline.
15:12:29 <Norm> Jim: I'm working on the rest of them.
15:12:53 <jfuller_> https://github.com/grtjn/xproc-ebook-conv
15:13:02 <jfuller_>  https://github.com/gimsieke/epubcheck-xproc
15:13:15 <Norm> Jim: Geert also pointed out that there's another application, link above.
15:13:32 <jfuller_> Gerrit Imsieke created epubcheck
15:14:33 <Norm> Henry: Alex and I are going to try to setup a website that lets people try out XProc pipelines on their data.
15:14:47 <Norm> Norm: That's terrific.
15:15:00 <Norm> Topic: XML processor profiles planning
15:15:24 <Norm> Norm: I think the status is we have a bunch of resolutions and that we need to get a new draft out.
15:15:26 <Norm> Henry: Yes.
15:15:32 <Norm> Jim: I think we have actions for everything.
15:15:51 <Norm> Norm: So, Henry, you'll take a pass?
15:15:53 <Norm> Henry: Yes.
15:16:37 <Norm> Norm/JIm: We'll send stuff to you in the short term, Henry.
15:16:39 <Norm> Henry: Ok.
15:17:35 <Norm> Some discussion of using github.
15:18:13 <Norm> Henry: I think we're probably too late in the life cycle.
15:18:21 <Norm> ...Maybe for v.next.
15:18:29 <Norm> Jim: Fair enough.
15:19:11 <Norm> Norm: No, I think that's probably right. Github would be a vast improvement over CVS, but it would be a lot of churn late in the day right now.
15:19:27 <Norm> Topic: Use cases/requirements/chartering for V.next
15:19:36 <jfuller_> http://www.w3.org/wiki/XprocVnext
15:20:07 <jfuller_> freshest charter link http://www.w3.org/XML/2010/10/xproc-charter.html
15:20:44 <Norm> Henry: Unless I'm mistaken, Liam will be contacting the chair about the rechartering.
15:21:01 <Norm> ...He'll tell us what he wants.
15:21:27 <Norm> Henry: I'm not disagreeing, that's part of the reason that we started the wiki.
15:21:59 <Norm> Norm: Ok, using the wiki is fine by me.
15:22:17 <Norm> Henry: We're still in an expansive phase. No bar is required to make an entry in the wiki. We're in a gathering phase.
15:22:39 <Norm> ...At some point the chair should declare we have enough and start pruning.
15:23:33 <Norm> Norm rambles a bit.
15:23:50 <Norm> Alex: There were a couple of themes: improving usability and looking at steps that should be standardized.
15:24:20 <Norm> ...there's also an aspect of integration that we touched one.
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15:25:12 <Norm> Henry: Another question at that level, is "is this 1.1 or 2.0?"
15:25:20 <Norm> ...How much do we care about backward compatibility.
15:25:45 <Norm> ...How much is this fixing the problems we know about and how much is it we know better and are going to start again
15:27:13 <Norm> Henry: One area is simplifying parameters. We might just get rid of some things that no one has used.
15:28:00 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
15:28:22 <Norm> Jim: I don't know if it was clear from the minutes, but we did sit down for a while with the XQuery WG. Henry, maybe it would be good to describe that meeting.
15:29:29 <Norm> Henry: Here's my spin: over the last 6 months, I've had occasion to look at three or more XRX implementations. They're all lousy pipeline languages. They all would be much better if they were XProc. I think Liam's question is, what would XProc need to do to be better at choreographic between the web and XML databases.
15:29:48 <Norm> ...In particular choreographing XSLT and XQuery to build "lower case 'w'" web service.s
15:29:54 <Norm> s/vice.s/vices./
15:30:02 <Norm> ...This comes under the integration heading.
15:32:16 <Norm> Jim: Did we get any requests over email for things we have to go through?
15:32:31 <Norm> Norm: I don't think so.
15:32:37 <Norm> Jim: No, looks like they're all from October.
15:32:42 <Norm> Adjourned.
15:32:47 <Zakim> -PGrosso
15:32:48 <Zakim> -ht
15:32:48 <Zakim> -Norm
15:32:50 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
15:32:50 <Zakim> -Carine
15:32:51 <Zakim> -jfuller_
15:32:51 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:32:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-xproc-minutes.html Norm
15:32:52 <Zakim> - +1.778.440.aabb
15:32:54 <Zakim> -Cornelia
15:32:54 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has ended
15:32:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Norm, [IPcaller], +1.805.452.aaaa, jfuller_, +1.778.440.aabb, PGrosso, ht, Cornelia, Carine, Alex_Milows
15:32:56 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visibil
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15:33:03 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:33:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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