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15:59:42 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:59:42 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2011
15:59:43 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Nov/0050.html
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16:01:17 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
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16:11:10 <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith 
16:11:26 <MikeSmith> Topic: Bug triage subteam
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16:12:54 <MikeSmith> lwatson: on call on Tuesday, discussed changing priority of  a particular bug, and looked a some bugs that were lacking keywords, as well as looking at "needs info" bugs to make sure they have an assigned person
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16:13:06 <Stevef> zakim, P16 is me
16:13:06 <Zakim> sorry, Stevef, I do not recognize a party named 'P16'
16:13:20 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P16 is Steve_Faulkner
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16:13:43 <MikeSmith> janina: I suspect our priority over the next month will be following up on various bugs and that more of us need to be helping do hat
16:13:48 <MikeSmith> s/hat/that
16:14:35 <MikeSmith> richardschwerdtfe: about canvas, Frank asked to write a modified version of the hit-testing proposal
16:14:46 <MikeSmith> ... I asked him to base it on the current draft
16:15:00 <MikeSmith> ... and I asked if we really need to change focus ring
16:15:12 <MikeSmith> ... my take on it is, could we live with what's already in there
16:15:25 <MikeSmith> ... and I think we could
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16:16:06 <MikeSmith> ... so I think Frank is writing it up and we want to run it by Jonas Sicking and Ted O'Connor
16:16:35 <MikeSmith> ... some other things that came up is that we've been talking about the component model that will help on this down the road
16:16:47 <MikeSmith> ... but in the mean time, we need to deal specifically with canvas for now
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16:17:46 <MikeSmith> janina: the text-alternatives subteam did not meet this week
16:17:59 <MikeSmith> ... and there are a couple of items that are waiting on me to complete
16:18:13 <MikeSmith> ... I expect that we will meet next Tuesday
16:19:05 <MikeSmith> cynthia: about the a11y API mappings subteam, Stevef, are we going to meet next Tuesday?
16:19:25 <MikeSmith> Stevef: yeah, can, but have to leave at half-past
16:21:37 <MikeSmith> John: about the Media subteam, we need to get the subteam re-convened; we should probably do that next week
16:22:17 <MikeSmith> ... we have the poster-alt issue that has a Formal Objection from me logged against it 
16:22:50 <MikeSmith> ... I talked with Frank about the ARIA-based solution for the poster-alt issue
16:23:04 <MikeSmith> ... and I need to follow up with David Bolter about it
16:23:25 <MikeSmith> ... and if we could get that added to ARIA 1.1, would like to do that
16:24:08 <MikeSmith> cynthia: Why would we need new ARIA markup for this, instead of just aria-describedat?
16:24:38 <MikeSmith> John: describedat would be the long textual description for the movie itself
16:25:01 <MikeSmith> ... we need a dedicated long textual description just for the poster
16:25:26 <MikeSmith> cynthia: let's talk about this later
16:25:54 <MikeSmith> [some discussion about details]
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16:26:37 <MikeSmith> John: we have been thinking about this as a foreground image, but perhaps we need to think of it as a background image
16:27:27 <MikeSmith> ... and the ability to describe a background image has other utility than just the poster-alt case
16:27:43 <MikeSmith> ... lots of uses
16:28:41 <MikeSmith> ... so if we were to add this new role, it would be abstracted out for general use
16:29:09 <MikeSmith> richardschwerdtfe: we are trying to get ARIA through CR, I am a little concerned about this parallel effort
16:29:31 <MikeSmith> janina: can we talk about timing and process on Monday's PF call?
16:29:38 <MikeSmith> ... I think we have some good options
16:30:18 <MikeSmith> ... the concern about going sequentially was that we would have to re-do all our testing, but according to Judy that's not necessarily so
16:30:28 <MikeSmith> richardschwerdtfe: well, we still have to get implementations in browsers
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16:31:16 <MikeSmith> cynthia: could we do it during the last 30 minutes of the call, please?
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16:32:32 <MikeSmith> janina: so let's to the process-timing discussion ahead of that?
16:33:06 <MikeSmith> janina: and I want to remind everybody that the user-agent implementation guide is a joint deliverable of the PFWG and HTML WG
16:33:34 <MikeSmith> q?
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16:35:44 <paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/formal-objection-status.html#ISSUE-142
16:36:25 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: any other business?
16:36:45 <MikeSmith> richardschwerdtfe: wanted to ask Judy, do we need to go through a full CR on ARIA 1.1 again?
16:37:12 <MikeSmith> Judy: you have all the evidence for all the tests you did for ARIA 1.0
16:37:26 <MikeSmith> ... so all of your evidence for 1.0 would still be valid
16:37:52 <MikeSmith> ... it would be unusual if you were trying to run the timeline so that they were done at the same time
16:38:11 <MikeSmith> ... but maybe we don't need to drive the details here
16:38:32 <MikeSmith> ... you would not be free of the obligations for 1.1, but you would need to cover the new features
16:38:43 <Stevef> Ian Hickson responds over HTML5 getting 'time' element back http://www.netmagazine.com/news/ian-hickson-responds-over-html5-getting-time-element-back-111552
16:38:45 <MikeSmith> ... the length of CR is not proscribed anywhere
16:39:00 <MikeSmith> ... it is instead based on whether you met your exit criteria
16:39:27 <MikeSmith> ... in some cases it's possible to have a sort of zero-time CR, if the group has done its preperation
16:39:36 <richardschwerdtfe> got to drop
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16:40:00 <Judy> s/proscribed/prescribed/
16:40:49 <Stevef> q+
16:40:50 <MikeSmith> Paul: I assume the TF is not meeting on US Thanksgiving?
16:40:53 <MikeSmith> janina: yeah
16:41:11 <MikeSmith> lwatson: I can scribe next week
16:41:15 <MikeSmith> ack Stevef 
16:42:14 <MikeSmith> Stevef: as I can't make it to the HTML WG meeting, I wanted to bring up the status on the <time> element, what's being done to get that back into HTML5?
16:42:31 <paulc> The Chairs are aware of the fact that the revert was not done by the Editor on the schedule we requested.  
16:42:47 <paulc> We are also aware that the Editor has gone public with his personal views: http://www.netmagazine.com/news/ian-hickson-responds-over-html5-getting-time-element-back-111552
16:43:09 <paulc> We are discussing this with the Team via email and have nothing to report right now.
16:44:08 <MikeSmith> Stevef: OK, thanks
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16:46:13 <MikeSmith> chair: Mike
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16:49:33 <MikeSmith> present: Cynthia_Shelly, JohnFoliot, Janina_Sajka, Michael_Cooper, PaulCotton, MikeSmith, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Steve_Faulkner, Leonie_Watson, JudyBrewer
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16:50:22 <MikeSmith> s/Bug triage subteam/Subteam reports/
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