14:52:38 RRSAgent has joined #gld 14:52:38 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-gld-irc 14:52:40 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:52:40 Zakim has joined #gld 14:52:42 Zakim, this will be EGOV_GLD 14:52:42 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 14:52:43 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 14:52:43 Date: 10 November 2011 14:53:26 scribe:Yigal 14:53:46 zakim, scribe:Yigal 14:53:46 I don't understand 'scribe:Yigal', Yigal 14:54:31 agenda:http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.11.10 14:55:22 agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.11.10 14:55:32 Thanks! 14:55:44 scribe: Yigal 14:56:00 Hi all! 14:57:18 chair: bhyland 14:58:22 zakim, this is gld 14:58:23 ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 14:58:34 zakim, who is on the call? 14:58:34 On the phone I see [IPcaller], +1.440.389.aaaa, bhyland, ??P18 14:58:36 zakim, who is on call? 14:58:37 I don't understand your question, bhyland. 14:58:42 zakim, aaaa is me 14:58:42 +HadleyBeeman; got it 14:58:43 zakim, who is on the call? 14:58:44 On the phone I see [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, bhyland, ??P18 14:58:57 Zakim, ??p18 is me. 14:58:57 +olyerickson; got it 14:59:43 zakim, [IPcaller] is Yigal 14:59:43 +Yigal; got it 14:59:44 zakim, who is speaking? 14:59:56 olyerickson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: olyerickson (100%) 15:00:27 + +1.781.899.aabb 15:00:31 PhilA2 has joined #gld 15:00:36 zakim, aabb is Sandro 15:00:37 +Sandro; got it 15:00:39 hmm my sip client fails to work :( 15:00:42 annew has joined #gld 15:00:45 + +49.721.aacc 15:00:49 + +1.757.604.aadd 15:00:52 cygri_ has joined #gld 15:00:53 zakim, code? 15:00:57 +cygri 15:01:05 Zakim, cygri really is me 15:01:11 the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2 15:01:19 GeraldSteeman has joined #gld 15:01:25 I don't understand 'cygri really is me', mhausenblas 15:01:32 Zakim, I am cygri 15:01:35 mute me 15:01:35 Zakim, aacc is BenediktKaempgen 15:01:47 ok, mhausenblas, I now associate you with cygri 15:01:49 zakim, mute me. 15:01:51 +BenediktKaempgen; got it 15:01:56 Zakim, cygri is with me 15:02:01 zakim, who's here? 15:02:03 olyerickson should now be muted 15:02:11 +cygri; got it 15:02:29 On the phone I see Yigal, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, olyerickson (muted), Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, +1.757.604.aadd, cygri 15:02:36 cygri has cygri, cygri 15:02:37 zakim, what wine would you recommend with a roast duck? 15:02:38 +[IPcaller] 15:02:39 rreck has joined #GLD 15:02:40 zakim, ipcaller is me 15:02:51 Zakim, aadd is me. 15:02:54 tgheen has joined #gld 15:02:54 Cory has joined #gld 15:03:02 zakim, please work a little faster 15:03:04 On IRC I see GeraldSteeman, cygri_, annew, PhilA2, Zakim, RRSAgent, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, Yigal, mhausenblas, bhyland, MacTed, BenediktKaempgen, BartvanLeeuwen, cygri, 15:03:11 ... trackbot, sandro 15:03:13 +Cory 15:03:27 I don't understand your question, olyerickson. 15:03:29 +PhilA2; got it 15:03:30 member-gld-wg@w3.org 15:03:49 +GeraldSteeman; got it 15:03:59 I don't understand 'please work a little faster', PhilA2 15:04:18 echo is often a product of noise cancellation math 15:04:21 bhyland: Sending email re community directory 15:04:26 + +1.703.292.aaee 15:04:38 +1 to starting... 15:04:40 + +1.218.296.aaff 15:04:59 zakim, who on the call? 15:05:04 zakim, +1.218.296.aaff is me 15:05:09 Zakim, aaee is me 15:05:16 zakim, who is on the call? 15:05:20 zakim seems slow today 15:05:24 I don't understand your question, bhyland. 15:05:26 +rreck; got it 15:05:30 +tgheen; got it 15:05:40 On the phone I see Yigal, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, olyerickson (muted), Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, GeraldSteeman, cygri, PhilA2, Cory, tgheen, rreck 15:05:43 cygri has cygri, cygri 15:06:01 zakim, cygri is mhausenblas 15:06:01 Zakim, who is muted? 15:06:04 zakim, mute me 15:06:07 +mhausenblas; got it 15:06:09 I see olyerickson muted 15:06:15 rreck should now be muted 15:06:16 zakim, who is with mhausenblas? 15:06:19 mhausenblas has cygri, cygri 15:06:37 zakim, i am with mhausenblas 15:06:37 cygri was already listed in mhausenblas, cygri 15:08:09 bhyland: Think about relevance of this wg 15:08:31 Minutes link? 15:08:34 Move to accept minutes from last week, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-11-03 15:08:43 +1 15:08:52 +1 15:09:13 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/ 15:09:15 +1 15:09:19 (for the minutes) 15:10:12 unmute 15:10:17 TOPIC: Review action items 15:10:20 zakim, unmute olyerickson 15:10:20 olyerickson should no longer be muted 15:10:53 olyerickson: Has only spoken locally, so slow on action items 15:10:54 Yes please continue bugging ,e 15:11:05 s/,e/me/ 15:11:18 Yes please keep my action open 15:11:32 zakim, please mute me. 15:11:32 olyerickson should now be muted 15:13:11 +??P60 15:13:31 Zakim, ??P60 is me 15:13:32 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 15:13:59 cygri: re Action-14 nope, no videoconf facility at DERI 15:14:06 zakim, who is noisy? 15:14:17 cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yigal (25%), bhyland (35%), Sandro (14%) 15:14:39 +1 to poll 15:14:46 +1 to poll 15:14:49 +1 on the poll 15:14:56 filled out what? 15:15:05 +1 did the poll 15:15:12 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47663/f2f2_location/results 15:15:19 rreck, fill out http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47663/f2f2_location/ 15:15:22 I've filled it in (if I were American, I might have filled it out) 15:15:30 bhyland: from poll -- 14 people can make f2f, 1 cannot 15:16:57 + +91.11.41.29.aagg 15:17:18 bhyland: will look into results of poll further 15:17:20 My "no" is really a "I'm going to try to get to DC, but not sure yet." 15:17:29 sandro: looks like won't be better to move f2f to dc 15:18:10 sandro: default would seem to be galway 15:18:34 sandro: details would determine if we make dc secondary site 15:18:39 i responded but it still regards me a non-responder 15:19:18 TOPIC: f2f planning (should have come earlier) 15:19:30 rreck, it has your response, it's just cacheing too much in showing you. 15:19:53 zakim, who is on mute? 15:19:53 I don't understand your question, olyerickson. 15:19:54 q? 15:20:03 zAKIM, WHO IS MUTED? 15:20:03 I see olyerickson, rreck muted 15:20:07 TOPIC: review of deliverables 15:20:47 GLD has joined #gld 15:20:51 dir.w3.org 15:20:57 http://dir.w3.org 15:20:57 bhyland: worked on getting community directory on w3c domain. it's now up. 15:21:31 Biplav has joined #gld 15:22:14 bhyland: wants more input from those with relevant experience, so doesn't consider it done 15:22:29 bhyland: 5000 hits within short time 15:23:18 bhyland: ~6 people asked for logins 15:23:50 i have an approach but dont know how it could run on w3 machines 15:23:53 bhyland: still figuring out how to best handle that matter 15:24:10 i can discuss it with you offline. it should be pretty simple to do. 15:24:24 FYI, David Wood's email announcement: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2011Nov/0034.html 15:24:37 bhyland: opinions and thoughts on this are welcome. 15:24:59 i can talk to you at Semtech if you want. 15:25:30 q? 15:25:33 i have thoughts but dont want to digress 15:25:50 How may subscribers on the pubic-lod list? 15:26:04 s/pubic/pubic/ 15:26:04 I really like the directory and I'm looking forward to seeing it evolve 15:26:20 s/pubic/public/ 15:26:50 HadleyBeeman: It's helpful to have a sense of who's involved. More important to be clear to outside world about our goals and accomplishments. 15:26:52 +1 to directory concept, but it can't be the only thing 15:27:08 +1 hadley's idea of a plan 15:27:17 the break-out topics are the "small conversations" that held build the community 15:28:03 zakim, unmute me 15:28:03 olyerickson should no longer be muted 15:28:09 q+ 15:29:21 HadleyBeeman: Need to be clear on who our target audience is, and that we're building something that will be picked up and used. 15:31:19 bhyland: Believes best practices is for people who want to get started. It's not targeted at information managers, at department and CIO level. 15:31:47 q? 15:32:01 q+ 15:32:18 ack olyerickson 15:33:25 q+ 15:33:56 Cory-c has joined #gld 15:34:44 Point of clarification: are we reassessing our charter, or checking on details/emphases within it? 15:34:57 olyerickson: I'm concerned that the work of the GLD WG is too narrowly focused. We're not focusing on the low hanging fruit, the people who want to supply 1 star data & get it discovered. Has to do with data set catalog, listing data sets, using other forms of semantic markup. 15:36:09 I hear you ;) 15:36:17 bhyland: WG focus is on explaining the value proposition. 15:36:41 Sorry for ignorance, but what is ADMS? 15:36:47 This working group is focused on 4 & 5 star Linked Data and clearly articulating the value proposition, along with best practices to achieve that. 15:36:55 q? 15:37:12 acl sandro 15:37:18 ack sandro 15:37:45 sandro: GLD WG is about the how, not the why 15:37:50 sandro: Key thing we should do is the "how" not the "why". We need to decide how to do it in cases where that has not been determined. 15:37:56 What does the acronym ADMS stand for? 15:37:57 Sandro: I think the group should be the "how", not the why. We have decide & document the *hows*, especially when not documented. 15:38:26 re ADMS, see http://www.semic.eu/semic/view/snav/network/Communities/ADMS.xhtml 15:38:29 bhyland: The areas she's agreed to facilitate are community directory and best practices. 15:39:18 bhyland: NIEM is XML vocabulary for allowing local agencies to exchange information. 15:39:33 and one that can map to RDF 15:40:01 I am interested in NIEM and RDF 15:40:07 q+ 15:40:18 Cory-c: Will map easily to RDF. Working on proof of concept. 15:40:33 NIEM = National Information Exchange Model, see https://www.niem.gov/Pages/default.aspx 15:40:57 Per the website, "NIEM makes it possible for organizations to share critical data; as a result, people are empowered to make informed decisions that improve efficiency and help organizations advance their missions." 15:41:05 Cory-c: If people are interested in RDF representation, would like to get together with them. 15:41:29 please include me 15:41:32 Darth 15:41:35 I will be interested 15:41:36 yes 15:41:40 Vadar 15:41:47 zakim, who's speaking? 15:41:58 HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yigal (19%), bhyland (100%), PhilA2 (4%) 15:42:22 Darth: zakim, I am your father... 15:42:33 zakim, mute Yigal 15:42:33 Yigal should now be muted 15:42:34 use the src 15:42:44 zakim, unmute Yigal 15:42:44 Yigal should no longer be muted 15:43:03 I'm interested in the emergency management ofcourse 15:43:06 +1 to internationalisation of vocabularies 15:43:13 q? 15:43:32 http://www.semic.eu/semic/view/snav/Conformance.xhtml 15:44:43 PhilA2: Interested in the vocabulary work. 15:44:55 ADMS is here http://www.semic.eu/semic/view/snav/network/Communities/ADMS.xhtml 15:45:09 See also the draft: http://www.semic.eu/semic/view/documents/adms-specification-v0.6.html 15:45:19 Asset Description Metadata Schema 15:46:00 PhilA2: ADMS is concept scheme not namespace. 15:46:18 I would like to add that there is a strong push for NIEM to expand past the U.S., this is going on now. 15:46:48 i did GJXDM too 15:47:05 zaim, unmute me. 15:47:12 zakim, unmute me. 15:47:12 olyerickson was not muted, olyerickson 15:47:27 bhyland: PhilA and Cory, will one take an action item to form a task group to work on this? 15:47:36 I'm like to be involved in that 15:47:41 q+ 15:47:50 q- 15:48:36 I suggest we start by adding "and ADMS" where ever "DCAT" is mentioned... 15:48:36 bhyland: Just start modifying a wiki page, put together an outline, call a meeting with the task force using zakim. 15:49:01 i think an initial paragraph that scopes the topic helps. (my 2 cents) 15:49:51 bhyland: Happy to be a catalyst. 15:50:11 q+ 15:50:22 ACTION: Cory-c agreed to facilitate NIEM discussion and get outline started working with bhyland. 15:50:22 Created ACTION-16 - Agreed to facilitate NIEM discussion and get outline started working with bhyland. [on Cory Casanave - due 2011-11-17]. 15:51:14 ACTION: PhilA2 agreed to be catalyst for drafting wiki page on relevant vocab work on Person, Address, Business. 15:51:14 Sorry, couldn't find user - PhilA2 15:51:17 Cory-c: Will add relevant content to the wiki. Working on person, address, business. 15:51:42 ACTION: Archer agreed to be catalyst for drafting wiki page on relevant vocab work on Person, Address, Business. 15:51:42 Created ACTION-17 - Agreed to be catalyst for drafting wiki page on relevant vocab work on Person, Address, Business. [on Phil Archer - due 2011-11-17]. 15:52:15 ACTION: olyerickson agreed to facilitate initial wiki draft on Vocab page on VCAT. 15:52:16 Created ACTION-18 - Agreed to facilitate initial wiki draft on Vocab page on VCAT. [on John Erickson - due 2011-11-17]. 15:52:25 +1 to building a wiki page compiling the existing vocabularies and what actions we need to take on them. 15:53:11 s/VCAT/DCAT/ 15:53:44 q? 15:53:45 q- 15:54:03 q+ 15:54:54 HadleyBeeman: Interested in international standards, looking at applicability of English standards. 15:55:29 bhyland: like what Phil described? 15:55:32 HadleyBeeman: Discussed international applicability of meta-vocabularies for English speaking users. Focusing on what we have in common, like what Phil said earlier, without recreating the wheel. 15:55:33 HadleyBeeman: Yes. 15:56:05 bhyland: Would be useful even for things as basic as addresses. 15:56:40 bhyland: If you're into addresses, please comment. 15:56:41 q? 15:56:44 ack me 15:56:50 zakim, who is making noise? 15:57:00 PhilA2, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: olyerickson (93%) 15:57:06 cygri: Regarding DCAT and stepping on toes, not to worry. 15:58:12 Thanks cygri 15:58:15 cygri: We welcome feedback! 15:58:17 +1 to thanks 15:58:30 zakim, mute me. 15:58:30 olyerickson should now be muted 15:58:31 +q 15:58:40 ack cygri 15:58:50 ack Biplav 15:59:25 biplav: Was looking at vocabulary deliverable and thought it was top down. Discussed entity extraction … comment, are we considering how to use info extractions technologies? 15:59:31 Biplav: Are we considering recommending how to use info extraction to discover vocabularies? 15:59:34 bhyland: No. 16:00:16 That's eGov IG stuff 16:00:22 (I believe) 16:00:30 +1 to olyerickson 16:00:31 Biplav: There are cities that have opened up their data. Will we have a deliverable that is a guideline on a roadmap for this? 16:00:46 bhyland: Best practices is supposed to do that. 16:01:28 +1 to olyerickson. that's my understanding too 16:01:48 q+ 16:01:54 zakim, unmute me. 16:01:54 olyerickson should no longer be muted 16:01:55 bhyland: "Roadmap" is a synonym for what we're contemplating. Should be useful, not a stagnant spec that doesn't get updated. 16:02:29 q? 16:03:15 bhyland: Can we assign Biplav an action item to deal with this? 16:03:27 Biplav: Yes. 16:04:09 BartvanLeeuwen: Would like to be more involved, looking for how he can be of practical help. 16:04:12 BartvanLeeuwen: *what* would you like to do? ;-) 16:04:25 bhyland: Bart has experience with use cases. 16:04:37 ACTION: Biplav agreed to document some use cases for "roadmap" scenarios for localities contemplating putting content on the LoD. 16:04:37 Created ACTION-19 - Agreed to document some use cases for "roadmap" scenarios for localities contemplating putting content on the LoD. [on Biplav Srivastava - due 2011-11-17]. 16:04:50 BartvanLeeuwen: Would it be good to have fire department data available? 16:05:17 bhyland: Will create a page for Bart and Diplav to work on. Bart can drive some of the use cases -- has great ones. 16:05:24 +1 to BartvanLeeuwen and Biplav working together on the "real, useful" stuff 16:05:29 Bart needs to mute 16:05:40 ACTION: Bhyland to mint wiki page for localities use cases, linked off the Best Practices deliverable. 16:05:40 Created ACTION-20 - Mint wiki page for localities use cases, linked off the Best Practices deliverable. [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2011-11-17]. 16:05:48 -q 16:05:51 q? 16:06:14 olyerickson: Met with Brazilian colleague behind wikicrimes site. 16:07:06 I wasn't going to suggest adding him 16:07:09 olyerickson: Heard about crime data. Will look at the page and add to it. 16:07:15 I was going to suggest pointing him at it 16:07:31 bhyland: Please update scribes page and regrets. 16:07:41 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.11.10#Scribe.27s_End_of_Meeting_Checklist 16:07:57 bhyland: Email announcements to her and she'll add to agenda. 16:08:10 bhyland: Will get back to us soon about one or two f2f locations. 16:08:30 Thanks to Bernadette for speaking to the CENDI group: www.cendi.gov 16:08:33 -Cory 16:08:36 bhyland: Adjourned. 16:08:36 Bye! 16:08:37 okay bye 16:08:37 meeting adjourned. 16:08:38 -PhilA2 16:08:40 -mhausenblas 16:08:41 -tgheen 16:08:42 -HadleyBeeman 16:08:42 -olyerickson 16:08:44 bye bye 16:08:45 -BenediktKaempgen 16:08:46 Cory-c has left #gld 16:08:47 olyerickson has left #gld 16:08:49 -Sandro 16:08:56 -GeraldSteeman 16:09:02 annew has left #gld 16:09:02 -BartvanLeeuwen 16:09:02 PhilA2 has left #gld 16:10:02 rrsagent, generate minutes 16:10:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-gld-minutes.html Yigal 16:11:07 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 16:12:29 - +91.11.41.29.aagg 16:13:01 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.11.10 16:15:13 Final minutes here, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-11-10 16:15:16 do you want to talk about the registry ? 16:15:28 Hi Ronald, are you talking to me. 16:15:31 yes 16:16:26 standby, working with Yigal on minutes … 16:17:22 zakim, unmute me 16:17:22 rreck should no longer be muted 16:22:36 -Yigal 16:22:46 Yigal has left #gld 16:23:04 Callimachus is found at http://callimachusproject.org 16:35:03 This conference is in overtime; 1 port must be freed 16:35:41 \excuse zakim 16:36:20 -bhyland 16:36:22 -rreck 16:36:22 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 16:36:24 Attendees were +1.440.389.aaaa, bhyland, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, Yigal, +1.781.899.aabb, Sandro, +49.721.aacc, +1.757.604.aadd, BenediktKaempgen, Cory, PhilA2, GeraldSteeman, 16:36:26 ... +1.703.292.aaee, rreck, tgheen, mhausenblas, BartvanLeeuwen, +91.11.41.29.aagg 18:38:04 Zakim has left #gld 18:55:39 danbri has joined #gld 20:43:54 danbri has joined #gld