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13:19:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
13:19:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
13:19:07 <trackbot> Date: 09 November 2011
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13:30:41 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:30:48 <Zakim> +??P7
13:30:51 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:30:51 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:30:52 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:30:58 <philipA> Zakim, ??P7 is philipA
13:30:58 <Zakim> +philipA; got it
13:31:35 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
13:32:27 <cstrobbe> Zakim, have you gotten any smarter since the last call?
13:32:27 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, cstrobbe.
13:33:08 <shadi> regrets: Kostas, Emmanuelle, Samuel
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13:35:06 <shadi> scribe: philip
13:35:14 <shadi> scribenick: philipA 
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13:35:32 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Nov/0003.html
13:35:40 <shadi> zakim, ??p14 is carlosV 
13:35:40 <Zakim> +carlosV; got it
13:35:52 <shadi> Topic: Candidate Recommendation exit criteria
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13:37:39 <philipA> Zakim, ??P15 is philipA
13:37:39 <Zakim> +philipA; got it
13:38:29 <philipA> Shadi: there are already some tool implementations of EARL
13:38:59 <philipA> Shadi: like imergo or AccessODF
13:41:58 <philipA> Shadi: need to document these implementations, the features
13:42:52 <philipA> Shadi: test suites: how could they look like
13:43:50 <philipA> Shadi: to enter candidate recommendation, we need implementations and test suites
13:45:05 <philipA> Shadi: what is sufficient for tools, output earl or input earl as well
13:45:35 <philipA> Shadi: two tools that output each feature, two tools that input each feature
13:46:18 <philipA> Christophe: AccessODF both produces and consumes EARL
13:47:00 <philipA> Christophe: generates EARL and displays the EARL results
13:49:33 <philipA> PhilipA: imergo has a server side component that generates EARL and a client that processes and displays those EARL results
13:50:19 <philipA> CarlosV: when do you need the full documentation?
13:50:43 <philipA> Shadi: I would like to enter candidate recommendation in December
13:50:56 <philipA> Shadi: documentations ready until end of February
13:51:04 <philipA> Shadi: thats feasible?
13:51:41 <philipA> CarlosV: if we concentrate first on the schema? and then on the guide?
13:52:24 <philipA> Shadi: documentation needs to come from the developers
13:52:36 <philipA> Shadi: same for the test suites
13:52:39 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:53:29 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
13:54:03 <philipA> Shadi: documentation as some kind of table, listing each feature and tool
13:54:13 <philipA> Shadi: half page description of the tool
13:54:22 <philipA> CarlosV: thats ok
13:55:12 <philipA> Shadi: tool needs not to be public
13:55:23 <philipA> Shadi: only documentation of its functionality
13:55:41 <philipA> Christophe: we have some test files
13:55:52 <philipA> Christophe: odf files
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13:56:36 <Zakim> + +30231125aaaa
13:56:53 <kostas> zakim, aaaa is kostas
13:56:53 <Zakim> +kostas; got it
14:01:24 <philipA> kostas: yes, we can provide some tests
14:02:33 <philipA> CarlosV: yes, we have for example html test files
14:03:28 <philipA> Shadi: EARL report has most likely to be part of the test suite
14:04:07 <philipA> Shadi: so that second tools could compare their results with those
14:04:59 <philipA> Shadi: we need EARL that conform to the conformance section
14:05:10 <philipA> Shadi: and EARL reports that don't conform to the conformance section
14:05:16 <philipA> Shadi: what do you think?
14:05:58 <philipA> kostas: we have followed EARL but we also created new attributes, that would be still conform?
14:06:09 <philipA> Shadi: yes, creating new attributes is ok
14:06:40 <philipA> Shadi: for example extending the outcome values is allowed
14:07:35 <philipA> Shadi: testsuites will look like: 
14:07:44 <philipA> Shadi: 1.) sample EARL files that conform
14:08:13 <philipA> Shadi: 2.) tool developers would compare their output to those to check that the EARL graphs matches
14:08:34 <philipA> Shadi: 3.) plus EARL files that do not conform
14:08:55 <philipA> CarlosV: sounds good
14:09:20 <philipA> CarlosV: Johannes started an EARL checker once
14:10:29 <philipA> Shadi: EARL checker would tell you if an EARL file conforms to the conformance sections
14:10:40 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Guide/#conformance
14:12:00 <shadi> Topic: Conformance Requirements
14:13:45 <philipA> Shadi: moved from schema to guide
14:14:09 <philipA> Shadi: how other w3 specs handle conformance requirements
14:15:45 <cstrobbe> E.g. Mobile SVG Profiles: SVG Tiny and SVG Basic: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile/ 
14:16:12 <cstrobbe> Mobile SVG Profiles: conformance criteria: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile/#sec-conformance
14:17:33 <cstrobbe> Perhaps see also OWL 2 Web Ontology Language Profiles: http://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-profiles/
14:17:37 <shadi>     Conforming EARL 1.0 reports adhere to the requirements listed in 4.1 Conforming EARL 1.0 Reports
14:17:37 <shadi>     Software tools that produce conforming EARL 1.0 reports can provide them in valid RDF/XML notation
14:17:37 <shadi>     Software tools that process conforming EARL 1.0 reports can accept them in valid RDF/XML notation
14:20:01 <philipA> Shadi: 1.) EARL report as meta data
14:20:06 <philipA> Shadi: 1.) EARL report as output
14:20:13 <philipA> Shadi: 3.) EARL report as input
14:20:28 <philipA> Shadi: different rules apply
14:21:31 <philipA> Shadi: continue discussion next week
14:21:48 <shadi> Topic: Next Meeting
14:22:18 <shadi> 16 November 2011
14:22:28 <kostas> i am available
14:22:38 <shadi> s/1.) EARL report as output/2.) EARL report as output
14:24:09 <Zakim> -kostas
14:24:10 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
14:24:12 <Zakim> -philipA.a
14:24:14 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:24:17 <Zakim> -carlosV
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14:25:13 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:25:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see philipA
14:25:19 <shadi> zakim, drop p
14:25:19 <Zakim> philipA is being disconnected
14:25:20 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:25:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, philipA, Christophe_Strobbe, carlosV, +30231125aaaa, kostas
14:25:25 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:25:25 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:25:25 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:25:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:25:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/09-er-minutes.html trackbot
14:25:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:25:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items