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16:41:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7322733
16:41:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
16:41:53 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:41:53 <trackbot> Date: 08 November 2011
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16:58:39 <Ashok> regrets: Michael, Marcelo, Richard
16:58:48 <Ashok> chair:  Ashok
16:59:11 <Ashok> zakim:  This will be RDB2RDB
16:59:22 <Ashok> meeting:  RDB2RDF
16:59:41 <Ashok> zakim,  This will be RDB2RDB
16:59:41 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Ashok
16:59:54 <Ashok> zakim:  This will be RDB2RDF
17:00:28 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
17:00:31 <Ashok> zakim, this is RDB2RDF
17:00:31 <Zakim> Ashok, this was already SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
17:00:32 <Zakim> ok, Ashok; that matches SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
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17:01:01 <Zakim> + +1.314.394.aaaa
17:01:11 <MacTed> Zakim, aabb is OpenLink_Software
17:01:11 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
17:01:11 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
17:01:12 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
17:01:14 <Zakim> +Ivan
17:01:14 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
17:01:16 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
17:01:17 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
17:01:17 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
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17:03:21 <Souri> zakim, aacc is me
17:03:21 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
17:03:47 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
17:03:47 <Ashok> present:  Ivan, Souri, Seema, Eric, Ashok
17:04:04 <Ashok> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:04:04 <Seema> zakim, aadd is me
17:04:06 <Zakim> + +3539149aaee
17:04:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.314.394.aaaa, MacTed (muted), Ivan, Ashok_Malhotra, Souri, +1.603.897.aadd, +3539149aaee
17:04:10 <Zakim> +Seema; got it
17:04:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:04:25 <Ashok> present+:  Ted
17:04:29 <joerg> zakim, [IPcaller] is joerg
17:04:29 <Zakim> +joerg; got it
17:04:40 <Ashok> present+: Joerg
17:04:52 <dmcneil> I am the 314 number
17:05:14 <Ashok> present+: David
17:05:17 <MacTed> Zakim, aaaa is dmcneil
17:05:17 <Zakim> +dmcneil; got it
17:05:28 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
17:05:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see dmcneil, MacTed (muted), Ivan, Ashok_Malhotra, Souri, Seema, +3539149aaee, joerg
17:05:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see juansequeda, Souri, Seema, joerg, dmcneil, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, LeeF, betehess, ivan, trackbot, iv_an_ru, ericP
17:05:38 <Ashok> present+:  Nuno
17:06:02 <ivan> scribenick: ivan
17:06:07 <ivan> scribe: Ivan
17:06:26 <ivan> Ashok: minutes from last meeting
17:06:57 <Ashok>  PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of F2F meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/11/03-RDB2RDF-minutes.html 
17:07:11 <ivan> Ashok: any objections?
17:07:15 <ivan> ... carry 1
17:07:18 <ivan> ... carry 2
17:07:22 <ivan> ... carried!
17:07:28 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:07:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/08-RDB2RDF-minutes.html MacTed
17:07:32 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make minutes public
17:07:32 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', MacTed.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:07:35 <ivan> Souri: I was also present after 12
17:07:39 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:07:42 <ivan> ... it does not show my name at the top
17:07:49 <ivan> ... :-(
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17:08:02 <ivan> Ashok: I was not very strict, but it ought to have your name there
17:08:13 <ivan> ... approve the minutes with this amendment?
17:08:15 <ivan> ...
17:08:17 <ivan> ...
17:08:21 <ivan> ...
17:08:33 <ivan> Asho: resolved
17:08:52 <ivan> Topic: last meeting
17:09:02 <ivan> Ashok: what we did was to go through the last call comments
17:09:11 <ivan> ... spent lot of time on david's comments
17:09:16 <ivan> ... and then the comments on the wiki
17:09:31 <Ashok> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call#5_DM_and_R2RML:_comments_on_working_drafts
17:09:44 <ivan> Ashok: we went to the first 8 of those
17:10:16 <ivan> ... we did not do Ivan's because he had some comments on the direct mapping, but we did not have eric and juan on the call
17:10:26 <ivan> ... but we do not have eric right now either
17:10:32 <ivan> ... juan is on irc only
17:10:49 <ivan> ... we have seema and souri here, let us do number 10
17:10:58 <Ashok> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-comments/2011Oct/0001.html
17:11:10 <ivan> q+
17:12:30 <ivan> Ivan: I have received a mail from Richard, and have answered to them; I am o.k. with the comments for the Last Call document
17:12:48 <ivan> ... I have some issues on the examples, but that does not refer to the LC document, we can handle them later
17:13:01 <Souri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Nov/0025.html (Ivan's reply to Richard's changes)
17:13:04 <juansequeda> Ivan's comments on the DM are just editorial, right?
17:13:37 <ivan> Ashok: we skip comment 11 because that is on DM
17:13:51 <ivan> ... let us look number 12 from David
17:13:58 <ivan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-comments/2011Oct/0007.html
17:14:24 <ivan> Ashok, is that resolved?
17:14:48 <ivan> dmcneil: yes, this is the same issue, and having talked to Richard and the new version has changed
17:14:59 <ivan> ... I suppose that will take my comments into account
17:15:19 <Souri> modified section in the editorial draft: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/#logical-tables
17:15:50 <ivan> Ashok: next is from Fabian Pijcke, number 13
17:15:56 <Ashok> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-comments/2011Oct/0008.html
17:16:46 <ivan> Ashok: he is having difficulties creating identifiers
17:17:49 <ivan> ... he wants to have specific construct
17:17:54 <dmcneil> +q
17:17:56 <ivan> ... does this make sense?
17:18:00 <ivan> q-
17:18:03 <ivan> q-
17:18:25 <Ashok> q?
17:18:38 <ivan> Souri: he is try to say that a processor should generate instead of the r2rml author having to write that 
17:18:47 <ivan> Ashok: he wants a construct
17:18:52 <Ashok> rr:subjectMap [   rr:termType rr:BlankNode; ];
17:19:34 <ivan> dmcneil: there is a separate discussion... what he wants a to do is to generate r2rm to generate direct mapping?
17:19:58 <ivan> ... the final message (and Richard sent him) is that this is a feature in sql
17:20:02 <ivan> ... he agreed with that
17:20:13 <ivan> Ashok: but sql is not doing to do that
17:20:31 <ivan> dmcneil: true, but this is recognition that this is not something we can do
17:21:22 <Ashok> Response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-comments/2011Nov/0017.html
17:21:36 <ivan> Ashok: so we have to wait for his answer
17:21:57 <Zakim> + +575737aaff
17:22:03 <juansequeda> Zakim, aaff is me
17:22:03 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it
17:22:06 <ivan> Ashok: Issue #14, datatype mapping question, this is richard and eric
17:22:07 <juansequeda> Zakim, mute me
17:22:07 <Zakim> juansequeda should now be muted
17:22:19 <ivan> ... they seem to look at it quite differently
17:22:22 <ivan> ... skip it now
17:22:26 <ivan> Ashok: number 15
17:22:32 <Ashok> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Nov/0000.html
17:22:41 <ivan> Souri: I have something more 
17:23:10 <ivan> ... the idea from my point of view that we have to distinguish the plus that is already in the data to handle it
17:23:14 <ivan> ... part of a URI
17:23:19 <Souri> "C++ 2.3.0"
17:23:43 <ivan> Souri: if that is a key, I should be able to distinguish between '+'
17:24:04 <ivan> ... but richard asked why not using the encoding in the draft, ie, a % encoding
17:24:13 <ivan> ... i was expecting that type of encoding
17:24:30 <ivan> Ashok: you would encode characters in the value and that would get you around it?
17:24:34 <ivan> Souri: yes
17:24:41 <Souri> "C++ 2.3.0" should become "C++%202.3.0"
17:24:57 <ivan> Ashok: if you are o.k. with this solution, could you send a clear reply to this and we can close this
17:25:09 <ivan> Souri: Richard has already started a thread on that one on the comment list
17:25:36 <juansequeda> zakim, unmute me
17:25:36 <Zakim> juansequeda should no longer be muted
17:26:19 <ivan> Souri: the latest email
17:26:22 <Souri> Here is the latest email on this thread about PLUS sign: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Nov/0002.html
17:26:53 <ivan> Ashok: souri, if you are happy with this, you should answer
17:27:12 <ivan> Souri: but this has to be agreed upon for the DM, and the DM editors should look at it
17:27:22 <ivan> ... this is really for the DM editors
17:27:33 <ivan> juansequeda: for me, it is fine
17:27:39 <ivan> ... but eric should also reply
17:27:55 <ivan> Souri: I can reply that I am happy, and ask the dm editors explicitly
17:28:17 <ivan> Ashok: Juan, there were a number of dm issues that we postponed because you were not here
17:28:26 <ivan> ... would you like to go through them?
17:28:34 <ivan> juansequeda: these are mostly editorial
17:28:45 <ivan> Ashok: editorials was from ivan and fabian
17:29:01 <ivan> ... but these are lc issues, we have to be formal
17:29:17 <ivan> ... you have to tell us if you agreed
17:29:29 <ivan> juansequeda: I will go through those in the next 2 days
17:30:11 <ivan> Ashok: look at the wiki, look at the comments, look at particular comments 9, 11, and then the last one we talked about, 15, and then reply to us
17:31:01 <ivan> ACTIOn juansequeda to look at the comments 9, 11 and 15 and reply to them officially
17:31:01 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - juansequeda
17:31:24 <ivan> ACTION juan to look at the comments 9, 11 and 15 and reply to them officially
17:31:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Look at the comments 9, 11 and 15 and reply to them officially [on Juan Sequeda - due 2011-11-15].
17:31:33 <ivan> Topic: Issues
17:31:37 <ivan> ISSUE-68?
17:31:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-68 -- Multiple PredicateMaps in a PredicateObjectMap -- raised
17:31:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/68
17:31:58 <ivan> Ashok: we have spoken on this
17:32:18 <ivan> ... I have the feeling that souri and richard do not agree on this
17:32:35 <Souri> Issue-68: P{+}O shortcut
17:32:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-68 Multiple PredicateMaps in a PredicateObjectMap notes added
17:33:06 <Souri> PO{+}
17:33:06 <ivan> Souri: my opinion is that it is not critical for us to put in this shortcut
17:33:16 <ivan> ... why not adding other shortuts
17:33:25 <ivan> ... the amount of additional writing is not much
17:33:40 <ivan> ... you can always define the object map to be uri, and use that again and again
17:34:02 <ivan> ... we have to be conservative on shortcuts
17:34:14 <ivan> Ashok: the only thing we can do is to open the issue
17:34:29 <ivan> ... We agree to open issue 68
17:34:35 <ivan> q+
17:34:41 <ivan> ack dmcneil 
17:34:44 <ivan> ack iv_an_ru 
17:34:46 <ivan> ack ivan
17:35:18 <ivan> Ivan: how do we decide that?
17:35:36 <ivan> Ashok: one of the telco when we get both of them, we have to agreement on that
17:36:39 <ivan> ISSUE-69?
17:36:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-69 -- datatype sizes -- raised
17:36:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/69
17:36:50 <Zakim> +EricP
17:36:51 <ivan> Ashok: this is related to the earlier issues
17:37:35 <ivan> Ashok: is this related to making one mapping
17:37:43 <ivan> ericP: Everybody wants to have one
17:37:52 <ivan> ... Richard and I did a different approach
17:38:05 <ivan> ... those reflect on what the recipes should look like
17:38:29 <ivan> ... his notion is 'here is the recipe to convert stuff from db to rdf, the precision depends on the db'
17:38:50 <ivan> ... my approach is that it is a fixed values for that, and here is the scheme you should follow if you extend
17:39:34 <ivan> Ashok: let us just open this, then we should discuss when both of you are here we should discuss it
17:40:06 <ivan> ericP: we are both pretty good in describing our opinion
17:40:11 <ivan> ... and also the other's opinion
17:40:25 <ivan> ... we know what to do for any opinion
17:40:39 <ivan> ... we are at the point that really the wg has to decide
17:41:10 <ivan> ericP: the other question is whether we rely on xsd or on sql
17:41:19 <ivan> Ashok: rdf uses xsd, right?
17:41:40 <ivan> ericP: rdf core does not say that you should use the canonical forms of the xsd types
17:42:05 <ivan> Ashok: this is not our business, but worth taking up with the rdf core guys
17:42:31 <ivan> ericP: if they do not do that, and xsd does not really care about this, then it is our business
17:42:37 <ivan> Ashok: let open the issue
17:42:49 <ivan> ... we agreed to open issue 69
17:43:13 <ivan> ISSUE-70?
17:43:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-70 -- Behaviour of fully qualified column names in rr:sqlQuery -- raised
17:43:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/70
17:43:43 <ivan> Souri: we have discussed this issue last week
17:43:56 <ivan> ... it needs to be opened
17:44:05 <ivan> Ashok: let us open it
17:44:13 <ivan> ... decided to open issue 70
17:44:22 <ivan> ISSUE-71?
17:44:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-71 -- Column name collisions between child and parent queries in RefObjectMaps -- raised
17:44:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/71
17:44:32 <ivan> Ashok: I think we also talked about it 
17:44:35 <ivan> ... open it?
17:44:45 <ivan> ... no objection, let us open 71
17:44:58 <ivan> ISSUE-72?
17:44:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-72 -- Bring back R2RML lookup tables -- raised
17:44:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/72
17:45:22 <ivan> Ashok: let us open it for when richard is on the call
17:45:47 <ivan> Souri: we came up with a proposal that is simpler than the other one, that is why we decided to drop it
17:45:55 <ivan> ... there are two proposals sitting there
17:46:02 <ivan> ... that is the status
17:46:10 <ivan> Ashok: let us open this issue 72
17:46:23 <ivan> ISSUE-73?
17:46:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-73 -- Section 11 cleanup -- raised
17:46:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/73
17:47:17 <ivan> Ashok: this is again david's comment
17:47:40 <ivan> ... we should open this and wait until we can do 68 and 72
17:47:46 <ivan> ... objections?
17:47:47 <ivan> ...
17:47:48 <ivan> ...
17:47:56 <ivan> ... let us open issue 73
17:48:09 <ivan> ISSUE-74?
17:48:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- Re-organize the table in Appendix B.2 -- raised
17:48:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/74
17:48:39 <ivan> Ashok, we should open this, too
17:48:57 <ivan> ... david says that when cliking on the document he gets to the schema document
17:49:18 <ivan> ... but then somebody pointed out that the schema document is a separate document
17:49:22 <ivan> q+
17:49:30 <ivan> q-
17:49:46 <ivan> dmcneil: ivan addressed it and the issue is for the table
17:49:57 <ivan> Ashok: let open issue 74, too
17:50:08 <ivan> ISSUE-75?
17:50:08 <trackbot> ISSUE-75 -- Reconsider rr:tableName syntactic sugar -- raised
17:50:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/75
17:50:24 <ivan> Ashok: this is again david's comment
17:50:34 <ivan> ... this requires discussion
17:50:43 <ivan> ... this is also a shortcut, righ?
17:50:57 <ivan> ... Let us open 75, and discuss it later
17:51:17 <ivan> q+
17:51:32 <Souri> Since Eric is here, we can also bring up the percent-encoding issue (that came up from my PLUS sign related comment) for a introductory discussion
17:51:53 <ivan> ISSUE-57?
17:51:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-57 -- R2RML doesn't allow R2RML documents in RDF/XML syntax -- raised
17:51:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/57
17:53:23 <ivan> Ivan: this is a leftover, was actually opened by the facts...
17:54:20 <ivan> Ashok: eric, there were 3 lc comments on dm, if you could look at them to answer them; juan has taken an action, numbers 9, 11 and 15
17:54:43 <Souri> also, PLUS sign comment
17:54:56 <ivan> ... if you could look at them
17:55:03 <ivan> Eric: yes, will do
17:55:29 <ivan> Ashok: I am encouraged by the progress, some of these issues are tiny
17:55:35 <ivan> ... there are a couple of big ones
17:55:41 <ivan> Meeting adjurned
17:55:51 <Zakim> -Seema
17:55:52 <Zakim> - +3539149aaee
17:55:54 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:55:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/08-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ivan
17:56:04 <Zakim> -Souri
17:56:06 <Zakim> -dmcneil
17:56:08 <Zakim> -Ivan
17:56:09 <Zakim> -juansequeda
17:56:11 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:56:14 <Zakim> -joerg
17:56:23 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
17:56:38 <ivan> tracker, stop telcon
17:56:39 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
17:56:44 <Zakim> -EricP
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17:56:48 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.314.394.aaaa, +1.781.273.aabb, Ivan, MacTed, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.603.897.aacc, Souri, +1.603.897.aadd, +3539149aaee, Seema, joerg, dmcneil, +575737aaff,
17:56:51 <Zakim> ... juansequeda, EricP
17:57:03 <Ashok> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:57:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/08-RDB2RDF-minutes.html Ashok
17:57:25 <ivan> Ashok, will you clean up the minutes, or should I?
17:57:57 <ivan> not much to clean up, though, why don't I go ahead and do it...
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