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15:54:58 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
15:54:58 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
15:54:59 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
15:54:59 <trackbot> Date: 03 November 2011
15:55:05 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
15:55:06 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
15:55:06 <sharper> Agenda+ Editors update on submissions and preparations
15:55:06 <sharper> Agenda+ Look Over New Topic Proposals
15:55:06 <sharper> Agenda+ Any Other Business 
15:55:15 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
15:55:22 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2011/11/03-rd-agenda.rdf
15:55:25 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
15:55:25 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
15:55:45 <sharper> regrets+ Conway_Vivienne
15:56:00 <sharper> regrets+ Kouroupetroglou_Christos
15:56:21 <sharper> present+ Harper_Simon
15:56:32 <sharper> present+ Brajnik_Giorgio
15:56:44 <sharper> present+ Vigo_Markel
15:56:55 <sharper> present+ Abou-Zahra_Shadi
15:57:09 <sharper> regrets+ Yesilada_Yeliz
15:57:51 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()12:00PM has now started
15:57:57 <Zakim> +??P2
15:58:16 <shadi> zakim, ??p2 is me
15:58:16 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
15:58:19 <sharper> present+ Batusic_Mario
15:58:35 <sharper> rrsagent, make logs public
15:58:35 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/03-rd-minutes.html sharper
15:58:54 <shadi> shadi has changed the topic to: 
16:00:33 <Peter> Peter has joined #rd
16:01:35 <markel> markel has joined #rd
16:01:56 <Zakim> +??P7
16:02:11 <sharper> can't seem to get in via sip
16:02:12 <Peter> Zakim, ??P7 is me
16:02:12 <Zakim> +Peter; got it
16:02:19 <Peter> Zakim, mute me
16:02:19 <Zakim> Peter should now be muted
16:02:41 <Zakim> +Mario-Batusic
16:03:01 <Zakim> +??P6
16:03:18 <markel> Zakim, ??P6 is me
16:03:18 <Zakim> +markel; got it
16:03:23 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:03:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see shadi, Peter (muted), Mario-Batusic, markel
16:03:25 <Peter> Zakim, unmute
16:03:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', Peter
16:03:52 <Zakim> +??P8
16:04:05 <Peter> Zakim, un mute
16:04:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'un mute', Peter
16:04:11 <Peter> errr
16:04:23 <Peter> Zakim, unmute me
16:04:23 <Zakim> Peter should no longer be muted
16:04:34 <giorgio> zakim, ??p8 is mine
16:04:34 <Zakim> +mine; got it
16:05:11 <shadi> zakim, mine is giorgio
16:05:11 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
16:05:41 <Peter> Zakim, mute me
16:05:43 <Zakim> Peter should now be muted
16:06:01 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, mute me
16:06:01 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should now be muted
16:09:23 <Peter> sharper: Have you tried turning it off and on again :-)
16:09:44 <sharper> Let me try a systems reboot - please start without me.
16:10:30 <Peter> Zakim, scribe peter
16:10:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribe peter', Peter
16:10:32 <markel> lol
16:10:34 <Peter> hmm worth a try
16:10:41 <shadi> scribe: Peter
16:10:44 <Peter> ah
16:10:47 <Peter> got it
16:10:53 <shadi> agenda?
16:11:08 <Peter> got it
16:11:13 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:11:13 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
16:11:44 <markel> not me
16:12:01 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:12:01 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, shadi
16:12:04 <giorgio> q+
16:12:13 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
16:12:13 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, shadi
16:12:21 <shadi> q- g
16:12:23 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
16:12:24 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
16:12:26 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:12:27 <Zakim> 2. Editors update on submissions and preparations [from sharper]
16:12:30 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:12:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Editors update on submissions and preparations" taken up [from sharper]
16:13:23 <Peter> giorgio: have received 15 submissions but 2 false submissions ...
16:13:51 <Peter> 1 cancelled the other 2 wrong submissions - leave 12
16:13:55 <Mario-Batusic> q+
16:13:56 <Peter> submissions ...
16:14:34 <Peter> I collected all the author information in a spreadsheet and will send to the chairs soon and a list of reviewers...
16:15:08 <Peter> would like to be clear about issues such as conflict of interest ...
16:15:29 <Zakim> +??P11
16:15:37 <Peter> will send out a map of submissions ...
16:15:45 <markel> it was clear
16:16:00 <shadi> zakim, ??p11 is Simon
16:16:00 <Zakim> +Simon; got it
16:16:05 <sharper> sharper has joined #rd
16:16:29 <Peter> (for scribbing should each line prefix the speaker?)
16:17:22 <sharper> zakim, minutes?
16:17:22 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, sharper.
16:17:32 <shadi> rrsagent, pointer?
16:17:32 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/11/03-rd-irc#T16-17-32
16:17:42 <shadi> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:17:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/03-rd-minutes.html shadi
16:18:09 <Peter> simon: could you give me a summary ...
16:18:24 <Peter> giorgio: …goes over summary...
16:18:48 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, unmute me
16:18:48 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should no longer be muted
16:18:56 <markel> :-)
16:18:57 <Peter> Need 4 other people for submission for which Markel is the author
16:19:04 <markel> do you already have them?
16:19:32 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, mute me
16:19:32 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should now be muted
16:19:40 <markel> Integration of Web Accessibility Metrics into a Semi-Automatic evaluation process
16:19:41 <Peter> girogio: goes over titles of submissions...
16:19:47 <markel> Measuring accessibility barriers on large scale sets of pages
16:19:51 <markel> Web Accessibility Metrics - A Continuing Conundrum
16:19:55 <markel> A Template-aware Web Accessibility metric
16:19:59 <markel> A metrics to make different DTDs documents evaluations comparable
16:20:03 <markel> Lexical Quality as an Accessibility Metric for the Textual Web
16:20:06 <markel> Attaining Metric Validity and Reliability with the Web Accessibility Quantitative Metric
16:20:10 <markel> The case for a WCAG-based evaluation scheme with a graded rating scale
16:20:14 <markel> A zero in AChecker means 10 in eXaminator: a comparison between two metrics by their scores
16:20:19 <markel> Context-Tailored Web Accessibility Metrics
16:20:24 <markel> Web Accessibility Metrics For A Post Digital World
16:20:29 <markel> Web Accessibility Metrics For A Post Digital World
16:20:35 <markel> Towards a score function for WCAG 2.0 benchmarking
16:20:36 <Peter> giorgio: they talk bout web accessibility metrics
16:20:55 <Peter> simon: have you a feel for how well the submissions fit in with the broader aim of the Wiki
16:21:12 <Peter> giorgio: haven't read the submissions yet
16:21:26 <Peter> simon: will you handle the admin details of the sumbissions
16:21:39 <Peter> giorgio: Markel created a reviewing template
16:22:08 <Peter> markel: I wrote a text file for reviewers and asses quality based on defined criteria from past weeks.
16:22:46 <Peter> …if a deadline concern because of scheduling (too early vs too late)
16:23:00 <Peter> …can we schedule another slot
16:23:07 <Peter> shadi: yes its possible
16:23:13 <Peter> simon: good idea 
16:23:36 <Peter> (shadi your breaking up)
16:23:41 <giorgio> q+
16:23:44 <Peter> simon: wil work on it
16:23:58 <Peter> …takes 2 to 3 days to setup a phone meeting bridge
16:23:58 <Mario-Batusic> q-
16:23:59 <sharper> ack mar
16:24:19 <sharper> ack gio
16:24:23 <Peter> previous scribe line: replace simon with shadi
16:24:34 <Peter> giorgio: could be a meeting on Wed 9th
16:24:50 <Peter> …another could be next RD meeting
16:24:54 <markel> +1
16:24:57 <Peter> simon: agrees
16:25:00 <shadi> +1
16:25:00 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, unmute me
16:25:00 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should no longer be muted
16:25:09 <Peter> sure
16:25:11 <giorgio> q+
16:25:19 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, mute me
16:25:19 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should now be muted
16:25:24 <Peter> simon: going out on txt file but how will coordinate?
16:25:37 <Peter> …will be some kind of wiki or doc?
16:26:07 <Peter> markel: initially email with template and then reviewers have to send back to group
16:26:25 <Peter> simon: ok for now, perhaps open conf in the future
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16:26:41 <Mario-Batusic> q+
16:26:50 <Peter> giorgio: would have been great to have an electronic system in place but the overhead was too much for now. 
16:26:55 <Peter> …email should work
16:27:29 <Peter> …we have 12 papers and reviewed at least 3 times … (lots of work to do :)
16:27:42 <Peter> …used this criteria so chairs get some work
16:27:56 <Peter> …goes over details of who's doing what...
16:28:06 <Peter> ….waiting on your feedback
16:28:11 <Peter> simon: sounds good
16:28:19 <Peter> …next time sort something out in advance
16:28:27 <Peter> …what about length of reviews?
16:28:49 <Peter> …writing an in-depth review might be rough
16:29:22 <Peter> giorgio: not much reason for a detailed review because quite a short paper
16:29:28 <Peter> markel: agrees
16:29:32 <sharper> ack gio
16:29:45 <Peter> markel: I would be able to put template on irc
16:29:57 <Peter> simon: sounds good 
16:30:04 <markel> Paper title:
16:30:04 <markel> Authors:
16:30:05 <markel> _______________________________
16:30:05 <markel> Paper review:
16:30:07 <markel> _______________________________
16:30:08 <markel> Mark with an X how the paper satisfies the following criteria. You can find the definition of the criteria at http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Selection_Criteria:
16:30:09 <markel> 1. Relevance/appropriateness
16:30:10 <markel> [ ] disagree
16:30:12 <markel> [ ] mild disagreement
16:30:13 <markel> [ ] neutral
16:30:15 <markel> [ ] mild agreement
16:30:18 <markel> [ ] agreement
16:30:19 <markel> 2. Contribution/significance
16:30:21 <markel> [ ] disagree
16:30:23 <markel> [ ] mild disagreement
16:30:26 <markel> [ ] neutral
16:30:27 <markel> [ ] mild agreement
16:30:30 <markel> [ ] agreement
16:30:32 <markel> 3. Clarity/presentation
16:30:34 <markel> [ ] disagree
16:30:35 <markel> [ ] mild disagreement
16:30:37 <Peter> yes simon
16:30:38 <markel> [ ] neutral
16:30:40 <markel> [ ] mild agreement
16:30:40 <shadi> zakim unmute mario
16:30:42 <markel> [ ] agreement
16:30:43 <markel> 4. Soundness/correctness
16:30:45 <shadi> zakim, unmute mario
16:30:45 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should no longer be muted
16:30:45 <markel> [ ] disagree
16:30:47 <markel> [ ] mild disagreement
16:30:50 <markel> [ ] neutral
16:30:52 <markel> [ ] mild agreement
16:30:54 <markel> [ ] agreement
16:30:56 <markel> 5. Impact
16:30:58 <markel> [ ] disagree
16:30:58 <Peter> mario: time is too short to make system but we could use open conf system
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16:31:00 <markel> [ ] mild disagreement
16:31:02 <markel> [ ] neutral
16:31:03 <markel> [ ] mild agreement
16:31:04 <sharper> ack mar
16:31:06 <markel> [ ] agreement
16:31:06 <Peter> …used in CSUN and works well
16:31:07 <Joshue108> Apologies!
16:31:08 <markel> 6. Generality of results and claims
16:31:09 <markel> [ ] disagree
16:31:11 <markel> [ ] mild disagreement
16:31:13 <markel> [ ] neutral
16:31:15 <markel> [ ] mild agreement
16:31:17 <markel> [ ] agreement
16:31:19 <markel> 7. Relation to other work
16:31:21 <markel> [ ] disagree
16:31:23 <markel> [ ] mild disagreement
16:31:26 <markel> [ ] neutral
16:31:27 <shadi> q+
16:31:27 <markel> [ ] mild agreement
16:31:30 <markel> [ ] agreement
16:31:32 <markel> OVERALL RECOMMENDATION
16:31:34 <markel> [ ] Accept
16:31:36 <markel> [ ] Accept with minor revisions
16:31:38 <markel> [ ] Reject
16:31:47 <Joshue108> I got caught up and missed meeting...
16:31:52 <Peter> simon: it works well and has a fast setup period and also know Robert at open conf and could help us out
16:32:02 <markel> q+
16:32:15 <sharper> ack shadi
16:32:23 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, mute me
16:32:23 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should now be muted
16:32:36 <Peter> shadi: put me in contact with Robert for details on how
16:32:49 <Peter> …mario had warned me about using a conf system 
16:33:08 <Peter> …the submission was not going well with read access and confidentiallity
16:33:14 <Peter> simon: I'll do that
16:33:21 <sharper> ack mark
16:33:36 <Peter> markel: agrees about open conf
16:33:51 <Peter> …but lets leave it for the next time
16:34:24 <Mario-Batusic> q+
16:34:31 <shadi> q+
16:34:36 <Peter> simon: pleased with the submissions and since a very specific call this is encouraging that people wanted to write these papers and send them to us
16:34:45 <Peter> … encouraging for future submissions
16:34:49 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, unmute
16:34:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', Mario-Batusic
16:35:08 <Peter> (Zakim, unmute me)
16:35:11 <shadi> zakim, unmute mario
16:35:11 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should no longer be muted
16:35:11 <sharper> ack mario
16:35:15 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, unmute me
16:35:15 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic was not muted, Mario-Batusic
16:35:34 <Peter> mario: if 12 submissions are ok is it possible to hear them all in symposium?
16:35:40 <giorgio> q+
16:35:43 <markel> q+
16:35:45 <Peter> simon: that would be my feeling but not sure what editors think?
16:35:48 <shadi> q- later
16:35:57 <shadi> ack gi
16:36:01 <Peter> giorgio: yes I think we could accept all of them
16:36:11 <Peter> …no more than 10 minutes each
16:36:24 <Peter> …I would review them anyway with criteria
16:36:44 <Peter> …to use as a filter
16:36:50 <Peter> mario: wanted to know if have enough time
16:37:03 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, unmute me
16:37:03 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic was not muted, Mario-Batusic
16:37:04 <Peter> simon: think will have enough time or make time
16:37:08 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, mute me
16:37:08 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should now be muted
16:37:19 <Peter> simon: even if run out of time still accept them if possible
16:37:20 <sharper> ack mar
16:37:38 <Peter> markel: I think we have more than enough time but we shouldn't accept anything
16:37:47 <giorgio> I agree with markel
16:37:50 <Peter> …lets be cautious based on minimal quality
16:37:57 <Peter> simon: agrees 
16:38:14 <Peter> …encouraged because I know a lot of the authors
16:38:21 <sharper> ack shadi
16:38:45 <Peter> shadi: on the positive note, is at W3C planning meeting, and has been approached by
16:39:01 <Peter> …technical planery meeting
16:39:10 <Peter> …approached by 2 or 3 people that wanted to write a paper
16:39:25 <Peter> simon: talk of RD there?
16:39:30 <markel> i'm lost, to write a paper about what?
16:39:37 <Peter> shadi: has been promoting it and an agenda update
16:39:59 <markel> q+
16:40:00 <Peter> …even though a focussed call still received attention and suspect people willow ant to listen in on the symposium
16:40:09 <Peter> simon: can only get better
16:40:11 <sharper> ack mar
16:40:33 <Peter> markel: more details about who approached you shadi
16:40:52 <Peter> shadi: interested in subject and wanted to write a paper but ran out of paper
16:41:07 <giorgio> q+
16:41:09 <Peter> yup
16:41:13 <sharper> ack gio
16:41:27 <Peter> giorgio: should we decide on names of additional reviewers?
16:41:35 <Peter> simon: trust you guys to decide on editors
16:41:42 <Peter> shadi: are they outside group?
16:41:46 <Peter> giorgio: yes
16:42:07 <Peter> shadi: we want to recognize them and give credit
16:42:26 <Peter> giorgio: if we want to be clear about conflict of interest it would be better if Markel wouldn't know
16:42:30 <Peter> simon: agrees
16:42:46 <Peter> …can give credit in note
16:42:54 <Mario-Batusic> q+
16:43:01 <sharper> ack mario
16:43:02 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, unmute me
16:43:05 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic was not muted, Mario-Batusic
16:43:15 <Peter> mario: would appreciate to be among regular reviewers
16:43:19 <Peter> giorgio: yes
16:43:36 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, mute me
16:43:36 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should now be muted
16:43:44 <Peter> (should I put a command in for that?)
16:43:57 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:43:57 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Look Over New Topic Proposals" taken up [from sharper]
16:44:04 <Peter> (ah ok)
16:44:20 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki 
16:44:34 <Peter> shadi: want to say something about new topics on wiki?
16:44:43 <Peter> scribe: shadi replace with simon
16:45:09 <markel> that sounds good
16:45:10 <Peter> shadi: would like to report on discussion with (missed who) and working on markup languages
16:45:18 <Peter> simon: is on wiki?
16:45:27 <Peter> shadi: no discussion was yesterday
16:45:38 <Peter> …3v web consortium
16:45:47 <shadi> 3D
16:45:53 <Peter> (oh sorry :)
16:46:07 <markel> Is it this one? http://www.web3d.org/realtime-3d/
16:46:07 <Peter> …they've been working on accessibility of 3D stuff
16:46:33 <Peter> shadi: suggest have one of 3D join us as a guest on upcoming call 
16:46:39 <markel> that'd be great
16:46:42 <Peter> …to introduce work for potential interest
16:46:52 <Peter> simon: yes and could they add to our wiki?
16:47:06 <Peter> …could suggest research work
16:47:18 <Peter> …as opose to a suggestion
16:47:35 <Peter> shadi: yes am following up on proposal and putting up generic research topics 
16:47:42 <Peter> …they also have a topic for a symposium
16:48:00 <Peter> …why would like to have them join in as a guest to introduce topic(s)
16:48:07 <Peter> …3D and virtual reality stuff
16:48:16 <Peter> (lost a bit)
16:48:27 <Peter> …and are very aware of accessibility and want to get invovled
16:48:37 <Peter> simon: sounds good
16:48:49 <Peter> …especially if they already have some ideas
16:49:05 <Peter> …especially if they could put something on the wiki to reference while they're talking
16:49:32 <Peter> simon:9 new topics on wiki
16:49:45 <Peter> …do we want to create a survey?
16:49:51 <Peter> …any that look interesting
16:49:59 <Peter> CSS3 perhas
16:50:02 <Peter> perhaps 
16:50:07 <Peter> but its perhaps too rough
16:50:13 <Peter> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/CSS/Spec_Review
16:50:26 <Peter> simon: perhaps and touch events
16:50:36 <Peter> …accessibility security
16:50:39 <sharper> 12http://www.w3.org/community/cssacc/
16:50:59 <Peter> …css accessibility community group and liaison with them might be interesting
16:51:17 <Peter> …Steve Falkner is doing a lot of the CSS3 work
16:51:32 <Peter> simon: ok to move on?
16:51:41 <Peter> markel: are we running  a survey?
16:51:53 <Peter> …agree with shadi perhaps too cold
16:52:00 <Peter> …can use next thursday?
16:52:10 <Peter> simon: thing about survey is that last time it got things going
16:52:36 <Peter> …it would go off to entire list an non-attendees could respond
16:52:58 <Peter> simon: next thursday is reserved for scientific community?
16:53:07 <Peter> markel: yes
16:53:11 <Peter> giorgio: yes
16:53:17 <Peter> ?mario:yes?
16:53:28 <Peter> simon: goes over submission details
16:53:41 <Peter> …then return to wiki discussion
16:53:47 <Peter> markel: sounds good
16:53:49 <shadi> +1
16:53:51 <Mario-Batusic> yes
16:53:51 <giorgio> +1
16:53:53 <Peter> simon: everyone happy?
16:53:54 <Peter> sure
16:53:54 <sharper> +1
16:54:12 <Peter> simon: will send out an email for the scientific committee
16:54:25 <Peter> …could someone send me a list of the scientific ...
16:54:32 <Peter> giorgio: is in call for paper
16:54:41 <Peter> …somewhere in wiki
16:54:43 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/cfp.html
16:55:05 <Peter> simon: will add one more to list - mario
16:55:30 <Peter> simon: will send this out … 12 submissions … list of titles ...
16:55:34 <giorgio> q+
16:55:52 <Peter> giogrio: note sure what to do with 12 submissions
16:56:01 <Peter> simon: will put titles of submissions in email
16:56:06 <Peter> …more of an advertising thing
16:56:34 <shadi> q+
16:56:38 <Peter> …reaching out to list to try to get participation from large companies
16:56:43 <shadi> ack giorgio
16:56:45 <Peter> giorgio: breaking confidentiality?
16:56:50 <Peter> …making public
16:56:58 <markel> i would only announce the accepted ones
16:57:03 <Peter> simon:topics on agenda anyways so is public already
16:57:09 <Mario-Batusic> q+
16:57:15 <Peter> simon: will think about it
16:57:21 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, unmute me
16:57:21 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should no longer be muted
16:57:24 <Peter> giorgio: details about paper not public
16:57:32 <Peter> simon: titles are public
16:57:38 <markel> oh yeah
16:57:41 <Peter> …in munutes
16:57:42 <markel> i did that
16:57:49 <shadi> ack mario
16:57:52 <Peter> mario: submissions shouldn't be public before accepted
16:58:00 <Peter> simon: public in IRC
16:58:03 <Peter> .minutes
16:58:09 <Peter> markel: sorry yes
16:58:30 <Peter> shadi: (will take them off the minutes)
16:58:50 <Peter> …are planning to make 17 nov announcement when agenda ready
16:59:08 <Peter> …here are the accepted papers addition participants are welcome to participate by phone
16:59:11 <Mario-Batusic> zakim, mute me
16:59:11 <Zakim> Mario-Batusic should now be muted
16:59:12 <Peter> (lost rest)
16:59:28 <giorgio> good
16:59:31 <Peter> simon: if will remove titles from minutes then don't need in email
17:00:00 <giorgio> bye
17:00:04 <markel> cool
17:00:04 <Peter> cheers :)
17:00:05 <markel> bye!
17:00:14 <markel> thanks Peter!
17:00:16 <Peter> (np was fun would be happy to scribe more in the future)
17:00:17 <sharper> bye
17:00:22 <Mario-Batusic> thanks and bye
17:00:25 <Zakim> -shadi
17:00:27 <markel> markel has left #rd
17:00:31 <Zakim> -markel
17:00:33 <Zakim> -giorgio
17:00:39 <sharper> shadi are you OK to sort the minutes out
17:00:50 <Zakim> -Mario-Batusic
17:01:00 <Zakim> -Simon
17:03:08 <Zakim> -Peter
17:03:09 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()12:00PM has ended
17:03:10 <Zakim> Attendees were shadi, Peter, Mario-Batusic, markel, giorgio, Simon
17:03:12 <shadi> zakim, list attendees
17:03:12 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I don't know what conference this is
17:03:18 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:03:18 <Zakim> apparently WAI_RDWG()12:00PM has ended, shadi
17:03:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see shadi, sharper, RRSAgent, Zakim, Mario-Batusic, Joshue, Mate, nonge_, trackbot
17:03:28 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
17:03:28 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:03:28 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
17:03:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:03:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/03-rd-minutes.html trackbot
17:03:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:03:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
17:03:33 <shadi> zakim, bye
17:03:33 <Zakim> Zakim has left #rd