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14:59:58 <michel> Chair: michel
15:00:23 <michel> Meeting: W3C HCLSIG - general meeting
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15:00:34 <bobP> scribenick bobP
15:00:51 <michel> michel has changed the topic to: #hcls HCLSIG business use cases (michel)
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15:06:43 <michel> zakim, who is making noise
15:06:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', michel
15:06:46 <michel> zakim, who is making noise?
15:06:46 <Zakim> sorry, michel, I don't know what conference this is
15:06:52 <michel> zakim, this is hcls
15:06:52 <Zakim> ok, michel; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
15:06:59 <michel> zakim, who is making noise?
15:07:09 <Zakim> michel, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +33.1.73.71.aacc (5%), [IPcaller] (24%), ??P43 (19%)
15:07:10 <Lena> sorry, it was me
15:07:18 <Lena> trying to find the mute button :)
15:07:23 <michel> zakim, who is here?
15:07:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.412.802.aaaa, Bob_Powers, +1.619.252.aabb, +33.1.73.71.aacc, [IPcaller], ??P43
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15:07:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lena, RRSAgent, Zakim, Anita, bobP, boycer, michel, egonw, ericP
15:07:44 <michel> zakim, ??P43 is michel
15:07:44 <Zakim> +michel; got it
15:07:44 <ratnesh> Ratnesh from DERI,
15:08:04 <ratnesh> Joined with Lena
15:08:12 <Anita> Are we starting?
15:10:39 <bobP> Michel: Agenda to talk a couple of use cases
15:10:52 <bobP> ... enhanced product label
15:11:18 <bobP> Charlie: Figuring out concrete idea of how much NCI will participate or contribute data
15:11:45 <bobP> ... main person Andy Butler, now have a good idea of what we get from project
15:12:16 <bobP> ... he has been waiting for more detailed report; what NCI can do, then I will get back to this group
15:12:34 <Zakim> + +1.781.431.aadd
15:12:41 <bobP> ... NCI involvemnet would help shape the HCLS effort
15:13:05 <bobP> ... he wants actual boots on the ground. That's what NCI will want.
15:13:32 <bobP> Charlie: Another use case in wings from HL7
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15:13:48 <bobP> ... needs to be more well formed on someone's side
15:14:06 <bobP> ... want to know if HCLS will phyically participate in HL7
15:14:22 <bobP> ... use case can not go forward w/o real presence in HL7
15:14:37 <bobP> ... ericP thinks it's not a hurdle.
15:15:15 <bobP> Charlie: HL7 use case. 15 years in a top-down strategy for interoperability
15:15:45 <bobP> ... been a couple of very high profile UK/Netherlands etc msg-ing strategy
15:16:00 <bobP> ... run into difficutly w top-down approach.
15:16:16 <bobP> ... natiional programs are saying that this isn't working
15:16:41 <bobP> ... so Resources for Health Care new bottom-up approach, serialized
15:17:02 <bobP> ... but governance is the issue, like v2 w/o interoperability
15:17:22 <bobP> ... but now semweb techs that can be used, unlike v2 15 years ago
15:17:39 <bobP> ... can bottom-up XML be moved to RDF?
15:18:12 <bobP> ... core group is not going to do the governance, but needs to exist, but still looking to how this will work.
15:18:30 <bobP> ... need people to get involved thru HL7. Will not happen from the outside.
15:19:06 <bobP> Charlie: ericP and I talked in July. Maybe get hcls involved in hl7
15:19:32 <bobP> ... couple of people in HL7 are deeply into semweb. No resistance, just no expertise
15:19:43 <bobP> Anita: asking how to help
15:19:59 <Lena> (bob, this was Lena, not Anita :) )
15:20:01 <bobP> Charlie: There is a formal project how to understand, this Resources thing
15:20:32 <bobP> ... need some number of HCLS people to formally join the group, make an assessment of how semweb will work in this
15:20:53 <bobP> ... if governance came by way of semweb then they are open to it
15:21:07 <ratnesh> Just to let the group know that i am finishing (hopefully Jan 2012) my PhD : "An Ontological Framework for Interoperability of Health Level Seven (HL7) Applications"
15:21:24 <bobP> ... to join you say "I'm going to join HL7". Expected to contribute etc.
15:21:40 <ratnesh> yes
15:21:55 <bobP> ... participating in HL7 free. Costs money to vote.
15:22:47 <bobP> Ratnesh(?): (talking interoperability)
15:22:52 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:23:13 <Anita> I am sorry I can't hear anything from this phone line can someone scribe pse?
15:23:51 <bobP> Charlie: stress that this is an operational, non-theoretical group of people.
15:23:54 <Zakim> +??P10
15:24:06 <michel> zakim, ??P10 is michel
15:24:06 <Zakim> +michel; got it
15:24:13 <bobP> ... group(?) is grounded, lead by a java guy.
15:24:14 <michel> zakim, who is making noise?
15:24:26 <Zakim> michel, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
15:24:27 <bobP> bobP can't hear nothin
15:24:34 <Anita> Way too much background noise to hear anything
15:24:45 <Lena> i think it was us
15:24:46 <Lena> muted
15:24:57 <Lena> ratnesh will follow up with Charlie
15:25:11 <Anita> a.dewaard@elsevier.com
15:25:12 <bobP> Charlie and Anita will contact each other
15:25:38 <ratnesh> HL7 pointers: http://axel.deri.ie/publications/saha-etal-2011SALUS.pdf 
15:25:55 <bobP> michel echoing
15:26:09 <Lena> cannot hear michel either
15:26:38 <bobP> Michel: "Can  you hear me now?"
15:26:44 <michel> http://www.pitt.edu/~rdb20/data/presentation-of-the-PI-mashup-use-case-11032011.pdf
15:26:45 <ratnesh> HL7 and other vocabs pointers: http://axel.deri.ie/publications/zimm-etal-2009.pdf 
15:27:27 <boycer> http://www.pitt.edu/~rdb20/data/presentation-of-the-PI-mashup-use-case-11032011.pdf
15:27:56 <Lena> yes
15:28:12 <Zakim> -michel.a
15:28:35 <bobP> Rich Boyce: Assist Prof. U. Pitt
15:29:00 <bobP> ... This use case is an idea that I proposed to SciDisc, well received
15:29:12 <Anita> Google Doc for the use case: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QpW-axtGL7Tuhd_Zcaf30a4-s4S_lveIJtpKL5QBLfQ/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1
15:29:29 <bobP> ... slides show the motivation and so forth
15:29:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:30:31 <Zakim> +Sean_Martin
15:33:17 <bobP> ... showing three examples of drug interactions inhibiting clearance thru cytochrome p450(?)
15:34:35 <bobP> ... also more examples of age-related clearance
15:38:21 <bobP> ... clinicians rely pretty heavily on the package inserts
15:43:11 <Zakim> +EricP
15:44:03 <bobP> Vijay(?): Who is the end audience for package insert demo?
15:44:51 <bobP> Rich: Pharma has a requirement based on FDA, particularly for branded drugs
15:45:46 <bobP> ... mash-up, behind the scenes is marked-up info that is of interest to other people
15:46:19 <bobP> ... slide 8...
15:47:11 <bobP> ... structured project labelling is an HL7 standard; then RDF and sparql
15:49:35 <bobP> ... slide 8 matched whole phrases in text, but then continued with further mash-up
15:52:42 <bobP> Q: under wraps?  A it's all open.
15:53:46 <bobP> Charlie: Slides are posted on the wiki. They are open.
15:54:15 <bobP> (that was Rich answering!)
15:54:38 <Anita> Can someone please retype the question?
15:55:05 <bobP> Rich: Our demo does not get down to the exact claim inside the article
15:55:12 <Anita> I can't hear anything that phone says
15:55:18 <Lena> zakim kicked me out
15:55:23 <Lena> one second 
15:55:45 <bobP> (nobody understands the Q)
15:55:55 <ericP> s/you're/your/
15:56:05 <bobP> Rich: Have I considered using drug DB also?
15:56:05 <Lena> sorry
15:56:15 <Lena> i was saying that drugbank and kegg would be the main sources
15:56:17 <bobP> Anita: Can participate here
15:56:33 <bobP> Rich: Agree, have the initial draft of use case
15:56:36 <Lena> a lot of that data is posted to kegg at the same time as it goes into the publication
15:56:56 <bobP> Anita: We are interesting in speeding up process of getting this into the DBs
15:57:11 <bobP> ... side effects and adverse effects
15:57:23 <Lena> linkedCT may also have some data about it
15:57:44 <bobP> Rich: Lena says that kegg and drugBank are the most useful
15:58:02 <Lena> and, of course, the gene expression databases can be used to determine whether a drug causes any change in the expression of an enzyme
15:58:05 <bobP> ... Kegg has done a great job in the last few years
15:58:25 <Anita> Also link to epidemiology and patient reports on side effects/drug-drug interactions
15:58:37 <bobP> ... one thing to say we found this in pharma study; another to say that there's real increased risk
15:58:42 <Zakim> + +1.832.386.aaee
15:58:44 <Anita> Connect to Clinical Decision Support
15:58:54 <bobP> ... these types of info do not make it into the package inserts
15:59:18 <bobP> Anita: There is a lot of work being done, re NLP
15:59:32 <bobP> Rich: Q how to operationalize use case?
15:59:45 <Anita> Lot of work being done in BioNLP on claim detection
15:59:48 <bobP> ... have small knowledge base, would take a lot of effort going forward
16:00:33 <bobP> ericP(?): Pharma, what sort of resources do you need?
16:00:39 <Anita> You're not asking this of people already on the UC, right? We are really gung-ho and ready to move forward... 
16:01:13 <bobP> ... someone is working on LODD. My guess is to have assigned tasks to individuals(?)
16:01:25 <bobP> ... these are organizational comments
16:01:44 <bobP> Rich: Thanks!
16:02:12 <bobP> Vijay: Use case, would like to see more drill down to benefits for target groups
16:02:15 <Anita> Vijay: would like to see more about what you need exactly from the Pharma partner and benefit that each of the target groups would get from this
16:02:23 <Anita> (sorry Bob)
16:02:24 <bobP> ... what is value-add for pharma?
16:02:39 <bobP> Rich: Communicating this is important.
16:03:02 <Anita> Sorry I can't hear you again Michel (?) 
16:03:03 <boycer> breaking up...
16:03:08 <bobP> Michel (breaking up from Chile)
16:03:19 <ericP> michel, you're clipping. upload congestion?
16:03:26 <Anita> We hear about 1 in 3 syllables, not enough :-(
16:03:46 <michel> we'll schedule a meeting in 2 weeks time
16:03:52 <michel> to discuss other potential use cases
16:04:02 <michel> please prepare for then
16:04:03 <Zakim> - +1.412.802.aaaa
16:04:06 <boycer> thank you!
16:04:06 <michel> thanks!
16:04:08 <Zakim> - +33.1.73.71.aacc
16:04:11 <Zakim> -Sean_Martin
16:04:13 <Zakim> - +1.781.431.aadd
16:04:15 <Zakim> - +1.832.386.aaee
16:04:16 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:04:20 <Zakim> - +1.619.252.aabb
16:04:25 <Zakim> -EricP
16:04:31 <bobP> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:04:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/03-HCLS-minutes.html bobP
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16:04:46 <bobP> rrsagent, make logs public
16:05:46 <Zakim> -Bob_Powers
16:10:46 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, michel, in SW_HCLS()11:00AM
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16:10:49 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.412.802.aaaa, Bob_Powers, +1.619.252.aabb, +33.1.73.71.aacc, [IPcaller], michel, +1.781.431.aadd, Sean_Martin, EricP, +1.832.386.aaee
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17:41:57 <ericP> welcome, ericP2
17:43:17 <ericP2> yeah, whatever
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