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22:47:24 <alexmilowski> Topic: Introductions
22:47:42 <FabGandon> Fabien Gandon, INRIA, in particular part of the Datalift project http://datalift.org/index.html to develop an open-source platform and guidelines to publish and interlink datasets on the Web of data
22:48:19 <alexmilowski> Please post your introductions since we've just started recording.
22:48:56 <timbl> Tim Berners-Lee, W3C and UK Transparency Board.
22:49:14 <olivier> Olivier Thereaux, BBC, working on a lot of "open"s (source,standards,data,innovation); interest in making case for open data outside of gov't context
22:49:27 <Bert> Bert Bos, W3C, usually working on CSS and MathML
22:49:46 <MarkC> SAP Technology Strategy and Standards, working on Semantic Technology Strategy/Platform/Implementation
22:51:06 <holstege_lt> Mary Holstege, MarkLogic, work on XQuery and XSD WGs; interested as citizen; interested in technologies on behalf of customers.
22:51:19 <timbl> Anne Bassetti, Boeing
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22:54:56 <alexmilowski> Topic: Overview of Open Data in the UK
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22:55:29 <alexmilowski> ...a lot of the solutions they have found cross over to other locations/government.
22:56:02 <alexmilowski> UK agencies are in under "strict orders" to make non-personally identifiable data openly available.
22:56:15 <alexmilowski> "stick it on the web in whatever form you have"
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22:56:42 <alexmilowski> Serious formatting and quality work with the various data formats.
22:57:17 <alexmilowski> Getting into new areas in terms of vocabularies and re-use of vocabularies.
22:57:25 <olyerickson1> s/now/not/
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22:57:56 <alexmilowski> People challenges: what do people want? 
22:58:14 <alexmilowski> Start with the formatting challenges.
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23:00:47 <alexmilowski> For your data to be usable, having an eye on what people want is important
23:00:58 <alexmilowski> Alex Milowsk: hear my pain
23:02:16 <alexmilowski> "It is a real problem even for people who spend a lot of time dealing with this data."
23:02:31 <alexmilowski> That's attributed to member:olyerickson1
23:03:31 <FabGandon> FabGandon has changed the topic to: Open Gov Data BreakOut Session http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2011/Open_Gov_Data (FabGandon)
23:03:40 <alexmilowski> tbl: If there was list of things to be tackled, with ESRI be first on the list?
23:04:24 <alexmilowski> tbl: would one possibility be ... a mapping to "RDF" etc.
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23:06:39 <olyerickson1> See also "ESRI Shapefile Technical Description" <http://bit.ly/tcgPgh> 
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23:07:15 <alexmilowski> Lots of discussion of data.gov and ESRI files ...
23:08:01 <alexmilowski> crawford: There were lots of discussions of manipulating data at data.gov but there was fear of manipulations at data.gov that would somehow change the data.
23:08:40 <alexmilowski> crawford: The cost of "doing that" was prohibitive on the [ companies, agencies ?]
23:09:27 <alexmilowski> steve: Is there a way to take those conversions and put them on data.dov ...
23:10:11 <alexmilowski> "data.gov.uk will link to other versions of the same data."
23:11:36 <alexmilowski> erickson: they publish it in the "one star form" and then we do the rest.
23:13:11 <alexmilowski> "most government data is unstructured and this is an [open area of research]"
23:14:04 <alexmilowski> erickson: how do you find the one star data? ...project description:
23:14:47 <alexmilowski> open catalog descriptions: how do you describe your data 
23:17:05 <alexmilowski> "This is not about our thing... it is about the power of a simple vocabulary."
23:19:34 <alexmilowski> "If the adopt DCAT and use RDFa, they could publish their catalog."
23:20:12 <RalphS> Hadley: having followed a journey through on-line documentation to locate the documentation for some dataset, it would be nice to capture that in a structured way for reuse
23:21:23 <alexmilowski> "...it is also a linguistic problem, ... " what are the terms use to describe the government agencies.
23:21:29 <alexmilowski> ...that hold the different data.
23:22:05 <alexmilowski> FYI:  DCAT = http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary
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23:23:11 <alexmilowski> How do you orchestrate the user to be able to use government data & search catalogs?
23:23:50 <alexmilowski> It is possible to use terminology that is more commonly used by the "outside" and translate that to what is used on the "inside."
23:24:08 <olyerickson1> HadleyBeeman: "linguistic" problem of terminology/jargon impedance mismatch between experts, end users
23:24:55 <alexmilowski> tbl: it is a linking problem ...
23:25:33 <alexmilowski> tbl: when you are converting that, ... what is the class of thing...  you say that that table is a class of hospital ... turn the graph around...
23:26:22 <RalphS> zakim, please tell rrsagent to make the minutes :)
23:26:49 <alexmilowski> member:RRSAgent, generate minutes
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23:28:53 <alexmilowski> rrsagent, generate minutes
23:28:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-opendata-minutes.html alexmilowski
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