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20:03:20 <dsr> Topic: The Internet of Things in the Real World
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20:33:43 <Marcos> TOPIC: Towards the Web of Things 
20:33:52 <Marcos> scribe: Marcos
20:34:12 <Marcos> DR: I want to intro some of the concepts… show some demos 
20:34:25 <Marcos> It's about connecting to devices
20:34:45 <Marcos> E.g., an Oyster card. An RFID tag, and barcodes
20:34:57 <Marcos> DR shows reading a barcode 
20:35:02 <Marcos> from the screen
20:35:39 <Marcos> … the QR code converts to a URL 
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20:35:59 <Marcos> … DR shows reading a barcode from a book 
20:36:22 <Marcos> DR: The problem is that you need to run the application first 
20:36:22 <clcworld> web of things - going from objects to web pages with a barcode
20:37:07 <Marcos> DR: better is an RFID … which automatically talks to the system 
20:37:40 <Marcos> TV: the us passports now have RFID chips 
20:38:16 <Marcos> DR shows a usb key that is a NFC reader 
20:38:27 <Marcos> (near field communication reader)
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20:38:43 <Marcos> they are electronic versions of a barcode 
20:38:54 <Marcos> they are encrypted
20:39:09 <Marcos> s/they/Oyster cards 
20:39:46 <Marcos> …there are an increasing number of these kinds things being made available to the world 
20:39:59 <Marcos> SLIDE: Microcontrollers 
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20:40:04 <Marcos> DEMO
20:40:21 <Marcos> DR does a demo of device discovery 
20:40:56 <Marcos> what they demo does is advertise the phone over UPNP 
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20:41:47 <Marcos> phone running a discovery plugin 
20:42:19 <Marcos> … lots of phones start to appear … 
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20:44:17 <Marcos> … selecting a phone exposes the services … 
20:44:35 <Marcos> … a photo is taken …. phone vibrates 
20:44:50 <Marcos> the crowd is impressed 
20:44:52 <Marcos> :)
20:45:35 <Marcos> TV: so, how do we then bring all these things that are around us onto the web? 
20:46:03 <Marcos> DR: so, there are lots and lots devices and services. 
20:46:54 <Marcos> … DR shows lots of different devices currently connected to the network …. 
20:47:02 <Marcos> … printers, phones, etc…. 
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20:47:27 <Marcos> So, question is, how do we design an API at the right level of granularity? 
20:48:04 <Marcos> TV: you could give all these devices an IPv6 address… so, why should my web app care what protocol the devices talk? 
20:48:17 <richt> I'd like to speak to that question, Marcos.
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20:49:02 <Marcos> DR: So yes, why can't you expose these things as URIs?
20:50:06 <Marcos> RT: from Opera, we also did some prototypes and we have some experience to share… so, a devices have multiple services… so it's not about devices, it's about services. 
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20:51:22 <Marcos> RT: next principle is not about targeting one service… is about having a class of a service (e.g., media renderer VS targeting a "sony TV")
20:55:45 <Marcos> MC: so we have the bonjour and UPNP camp. And they  seem to be in complex 
20:56:05 <Marcos> s/complex/opposition or just different 
20:56:40 <Marcos> DR: shows the guts of UPNP
20:56:51 <Marcos> …lots of XML on the screen … 
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20:57:09 <Marcos> VS… bojour, which is much simpler 
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20:57:37 <Marcos> they use DNS records, which is basically just text 
20:57:50 <Marcos> so it's a bit adhoc 
20:58:04 <Marcos> but naming is friendlier 
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20:59:30 <Marcos> TV: a device can expose its services over different protocols… but one might be better suited to a task than another (or for the system that is trying to find it) 
20:59:48 <Marcos> DR: these are all good questions, but I will defer to DAP
21:01:13 <Marcos> RT: I agree that they are different, but they have the same objective 
21:01:30 <Marcos> RT: in the end, they both provide a URL at the end
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21:03:44 <Marcos> RT: so the Browsers speak HTTP … so we can exposes URL, security with the right rules… beyond that, it's a larger question about wanting to support things on different protocol 
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21:06:01 <Marcos> DR: so, you can also do this using browser extensions 
21:06:10 <Marcos> DEMO 
21:06:49 <Marcos> Showing a webinos demo for taking a photo and for vibration 
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21:09:09 <Marcos> Debbie: one use case is a washing machine… checking if the laundry is done … or I might be at some place out side and being able check if the laundry is done. How can we cover such a use case? 
21:09:19 <Marcos> DR: so, Webinos is looking at this kind of issue 
21:09:39 <Marcos> DR: so, looking at all sorts of devices, even cars! 
21:10:05 <Marcos> DR: so we have come up with the idea of a "personal zone"… which allow one to set how things are found 
21:11:08 <Marcos> DR: so it's desirable to have a service that is available all the time… and be able to access your friend's areas 
21:11:16 <Marcos> s/areas/zones 
21:11:31 <chrisdavidmills> There are a lot of guys building stuff with Arduino in Manchester, UK - use cases I've seen - an LED light that illuminates differently to indicate your device power consumption, a letter box that e-mails you when the mail man delivers snail mail. And a robot controlled nerf gun that detects when people enter a room, and shoots them with foam darts (and is also controllable via a web interface)
21:11:51 <Marcos> :D
21:12:04 <chrisdavidmills> aye ;-)
21:17:00 <Marcos> DR shows a Home Network example 
21:17:32 <Marcos> discussion about home media frameworks 
21:21:48 <Marcos> … discussion about protocols, formats, licensing, and power consumption ….
21:24:48 <Marcos> Bertha: we need to consider on not only discovery but also different service descriptions… because there are lots of levels of abstractions (from lightbulb to more complicated things)
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21:26:16 <clcworld> incubator report just came out, forming an activity to address the issue of uniform service descriptions. not just services in terms of software services, much broader scope. 
21:26:17 <francois> Mark_Crawford: USDL Incubator report just published.
21:26:52 <clcworld> clearly security is very important to all of us
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21:27:11 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/usdl/XGR-usdl-20111027/ Unified Service Description Language XG Final Report
21:27:25 <clcworld> it depends on the application author. it's up to what the application developers want to do
21:27:43 <clcworld> tv: does it matter? web of webs? as long as the pieces can talk to each other
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21:28:01 <clcworld> dr: your personal devices can talk with each other, there is some abstraction that can enable that
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