W3C

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eGovIG

01 Nov 2011

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Sandro, tpac, Daniel, Hdladky, Victor, Klintsov, Armin
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
olyerickson

Contents


<PhilA> scribe: olyerickson

<scribe> scribe: olyerickson

Open Government Data Practices and Policies (continued)

<sandro> ping. can someone dial back in, code CONF2 ?

hadley: have now recognized that they need to do more

<sandro> PhilA, ?

hadley: conversations w/ dev's focus on problem of data behind paywalls

what is open data

<sandro> Can you dial in? code Conf2

what rights do citizens have to data

what is our obligation to citizens

The Shareholder Executive is responsible for maximizing revenue from (e.g.) selling of data

Conflicts with transparency objective of govt

people like Chris Taggert are concerned because solutions to consultations may go the way of charging for data

further complicated by fact that UK part of EU

scribe: EU *guideline* is that only marginal costs should be charged for data
... plus a "reasonable" rate of return

Further complicated by fact that e.g. Ordnance Survey largely private sector company

Each of the Consultation documents is roughly 40 pgs long

Hadley has no idea what will happen. While we'd like all data to be free, the reality is there is data that must be paid for

Decision is due "early next year"

<sandro> thanks!

<PhilA> sandrom can you hear us?

<PhilA> Ack

<sandro> yes

Accessibility with Jason Kiss

<PhilA> jkiss: open data isn't really my thing. If I weren't here, would you talk about accessibility?

<PhilA> jeenne: yes accessibility of gov websites is a topic

<PhilA> jkiss: section 508 covers all government paid for ICT. cf. Canada it's based on human rights

<PhilA> jkiss: UK 2010 Equality act mandates that gov sites are accessible

<PhilA> ... Canada only applies to public websites. Internal ones only have to be accessible to disabled staff so it's common to see inaccessible intranets even though that would break policies

<PhilA> ... Australia has govt ICT councils that endorse a strategy that moves to WCAG 2. NZ has a Cabinet Minute

<PhilA> ... but that's still a rule and that effectively mandates public gov sites are accessible

<PhilA> jkiss: UN mandates accessibility too. Subject to ratification but US is holding it up. It's based on human rights principles

<PhilA> ... same problems exist in all gov web teams - lack of skill nad knowledge

<PhilA> ... also most 3rd party web development firms

<PhilA> ... some do very well but generally the level of skill is not good

<PhilA> ... intro of HTML and more JS means that web developers have more to learn. Tend to just grab what's available

<PhilA> ... getting levels of accessibility up is going to be a continued difficulty

<PhilA> ... gets more difficult when we talk about open data. Visualisation of masses of data is really good but that leaves a whole bunch of people unable to access it

<PhilA> ... it can't always be translated into a format that is accessible to a blind person or someone that can't easily use a mouse

<PhilA> Jeanne: Does it help that we're developing for devises that don't have mice?

<PhilA> jkiss: I'd say it helps a little. Assistive devices translate keyboard actions etc translate actions into mouse movements

<PhilA> jkiss: There's a really good Aussie assistant that is free cf. Jaws which costs $1K

<PhilA> jkiss: it's a fully blown across the board Windows screen reader

<PhilA> ... for web browsing I'd say it's better than Jaws

<PhilA> jkiss: NVDA Non Visual Desktop Access is the tool

<PhilA> olyerickson: news stories have been inaccessible to gov websites because the accessibility isn't there

<PhilA> ... how does accessibility hamper the new outputs?

<PhilA> ... and how do we need to think about visualisations?

<PhilA> jkiss: The Canadian govt just wrote a new standard on accessibility to replace the old one - cites WCAG 2 and the new section 508 will do the same

"Section 508" link: http://www.section508.gov/

<PhilA> ... they've included some exemptions, such as for complex maps, such as radar weather maps

<PhilA> jkiss: there's an exemption because the tech isn't there yet to avoid an inordinate amount of work to create an alternative representayion

"Aria" link: http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria

<PhilA> jkiss: emphasises low cost of doing accessibility at the outset cf. adding it afterwards

<PhilA> JH: I believe in living by the spirit, not just the letter of 508

<PhilA> ... when I work on any project, meeting 508 is always the last thing they think of

<PhilA> ... alt="planet" for a beautiful picture of Saturn doesn't quite cutr it

<PhilA> s/curt/cut/

<PhilA> jh: now we have heavily tagged images - it's a great resource

phila: mobile is very close to accessibility
... if you build a mobile site, you automatically achieve (high percentage) of WCAG

jkiss: examples include building mobile site first, then following with full site

phila: teaches "responsible web design"

JH: Somestimes shocked at her lack of understanding of accessibility
... but there are interesting exceptions, such as secondlife: everything is a map coordinate
... the question is, how to deal with navigating datasets

jkiss: format will help

JH: Need to build out list of resources, in this case list of policies

<scribe> ACTION: jiss to provide list on international policies and guidelines on accessibility [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-egov-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jiss

<scribe> ACTION: jkiss to provide list on international policies and guidelines on accessibility [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-egov-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jkiss

jkiss: the "5 nations" have expressed accessibility standards
... UK is least 'formalized"
... UK; "directive on accessible web sites"

HB: Does UK work? Allows for common sense to be applied

jkiss: WCAG-2 a leap forward from WCAG-1. Concern over loose guidance, could lead to restrictions that are not necessary
... some cases where stronger guidance might lead to better/more accessible results
... BUT if common sense is working, then that's great!
... common/shared services, common look and feel, etc are good things; you start off automatically accessible

phila: Should we talk about archiving/records management?

Natl Archives is chartered with all of UK records management

BS 8878 http://bit.ly/t9CM8X

"Draft BS 8878:2009 Web accessibility. Building accessible experiences for disabled people. Code of practice" http://bit.ly/t9CM8X

"Cultural capital for WCAG"

discussion of W3C recommendation imprimatur

Tomorrow

reconvience at 9a

<PhilA> olyerickson: I'll lead a social media free for all tomorrow morning

<PhilA> ... there are several issues for us to talk around

<PhilA> JH: The world and social media are changing

<PhilA> ... we should have a sense of how it impacts governments

<PhilA> jh: Then Anne Fitzgerald from Aus will call in to talk about licensing

<PhilA> ... then Bernadette will talk about the directory

<PhilA> ... then John is back on after lunch to talk about E&O

<PhilA> Meeting adjourning at 18:13

<HadleyBeeman> UK's public data principles: http://data.gov.uk/blog/new-public-sector-transparency-board-and-public-data-transparency-principles

<bhyland> Kevin and I are on the telecon bridge … talking about Halloween activities.

Hear ye, hear ye...we haven't started yet...

<davemc> we only had eleven kids. all time low

We have more people in the meeting room today, but we're waiting for Jeanne and Hadley to arrive

<sandro> we must have had 40-50 kids; no idea what the norm is for this house, since we just moved in.

Jeanne has just arrived

We're going around the room doing introductions

<sandro> olyerickson, why aren't you dialed in?

PhilA is doing that now

We have 10 people in the meeting room...Hadley has not shown yet

<bhyland> Phil/John, would you kindly double check positioning of the mics in the room … voices are cutting in & out and sound quite distant ...

<bhyland> It was better yesterday ...

<bhyland> We are missing every 3rd or 4th word Jeanne is saying ...

<sandro> (its unusable today)

<bhyland> We hear Phil perfectly ...

<bhyland> Perhaps put the women a bit closer ...

@bhyland we are circled around the mics

<bhyland> ok.

See http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4 for links to minutes

To the people on the phone: we hear you very well!

<Jeanne> Everyone doing introductions now.

<Jeanne> Scribes: 9-10:45 scribe Jeanne

<Jeanne> 11-12:30 scribe John

<PhilA> after lunch Dave

<PhilA> Final session me

Social Media and eGov

<Jeanne> John: The session on social media is noting that is a topic that has come up before. there was a paper by John Sheridan and others

http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/papers/egov-social-ws.html

<Jeanne> John: The paper noted that a lot more participation by citizens and government would occur. In Gov-citizens, Citizens-Gov, and citizens to citizens

<Jeanne> That social media would play a roll in elections, campaigning and overall communications.

<PhilA> What is the status of a presidential tweet?

<PhilA> Congress people (and UK MPs) tweet from the chamber

<Jeanne> Dave: Congress in the US tweets, as do many others.

<Jeanne> Dave: A lot of campaign contributions are collected using social media, particularly driven through Twitter.

RE Social media policies for govt workers, see: http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/victorian-government-resources/government-initiatives-victoria/law-and-justice-victoria/social-media-policy-department-of-justice.html

<Jeanne> Dave: An interesting point between swaying public opinion vs. stating their opinion.

<Jeanne> Dave: The record of a how a bill goes through does not necessarily capture the social media aspects.

<Jeanne> John: The Congressional Record is just the law itself.

<Jeanne> John: The link above is about the social media guidelines for Australia government workers.

<davemc> USAF guidance for "new media" http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090406-036.pdf

<Jeanne> Dave: Air Force has a flowchart about the use of social media.

<Jeanne> Hadley: The UK civil service is apolitical. When an election is occurring much of government goes quiet so that there's no conflict about the previous and future administrations.

<Jeanne> John: Needs to be an international discussion about how all governments are engaging in social media.

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: Rules were updated during the last time, and so civil servants just went quiet to be safe as possible because the rules were not clear.

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: So I stopped tweeting during this time.

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: Our rules are not structured well about the models of communication we now use.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Virtual environments are virtual synthetic environments--a platform and the software.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Virtual worlds; collaboration tools; gaming and interactive tools

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: and artificial intelligence

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Gaming includes Flash, serious games, and training and testing

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: The mission of IEEE is to develop standards for all virtual environments to promote software data and reuse

<davemc> We seem to be verging into gamification (the use of gaming elements in non-game environments)

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: The goal is to take modules from one environment to another

<kevinsimkins> http://www.metaversestandards.org/index.php?title=Projects

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Stargate (link above) is the first test case here

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: In the government, it would be great to have the whole virtual environment, agenda, global chat, individual chat, virtual backdrop of a city, business card sharing, upload into a user briefcase...

<Jeanne> ...and these virtual collaboration rooms are an on-the-go room. You can also mark up a PDF or other document

<Jeanne> ...and project it through virtual AVI or other format

<Jeanne> ...desktop viewing for PowerPoint, webcam streaming. I can click on your avatar which can morphy into a real time webcam stream.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Holodeck challenge going on to create the best version of a holodeck

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: including gestures and lots of other capabilities.

<Jeanne> John: Slow down so that we can help others see what facet of egovernment can do in other types of social media

<Jeanne> olyerickson: Why should we care and what are the issues?

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: there are a lot of interfacing tools and in the virtual space you can wrap them all up into one environment and have them all available at your fingertips

<Jeanne> olyerickson: How should this be on the radar of eGov and what are the challenges governments are facings in this area?

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: the biggest potential to government is collaboration, but also artificial intelligence. You can have AI bot that lead people step by step through information.

<davemc> Kevin, breathe please

<davemc> we have several comments here

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: You have kinestetic, audio, virtual and others

<PhilA> ack ,e

<Jeanne> PhilA: I find this interesting, particularly in whether the AI and serious gaming can be used in an eGov environment to help policy decisions.

<Jeanne> ...is it possible to imagine that you are considering an environmental policy or plan so that you can artificially create various effects.

<Jeanne> PhilA: If a politician is looking at several choices, can you create a AI or virtual model?

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Absolutely, the challenge this year was on AI.

<davemc> along the lines of gaming: UK banking innovation via gaming : http://gamification.co/tag/uk-government/

<Jeanne> PhilA: Within IEEE, if there was a workshop in Barcelona in 2012 could you present at it?

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Yes. There are lots of applications available today that allow governments to create assets and move them from world to world virtually.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: not everything is happening on your desktop.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: you have consoles like XBox and Playstation. Cloud and other aspects affect the platform performance and choices.

Kevin, breath again: need to pop davemc from the queue

<Jeanne> davemc: There are several examples in the area of gamification (see above). They built for the internal finance system a way to create and exchange currencies

<PhilA> PhilA: Notes kevinsimkins talking about Web-based virtual worlds - very close to Augmented Reality work in which W3C is playing a role

<Jeanne> davemc: These have resulted in millions of pounds of savings.

<Jeanne> +q

<Jeanne> davemc: It has been extended to other places inside the UK and allows more innovative qualities of government.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: With social media, there are so many environments and packages that can be shared.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Whatever you have on your desktop you'll be able to share virtually.

JH: We're talking about platforms
... ways to communicate with citizens
... lots of experience with US DoD in virtual environments

<davemc> +1 to Jeanne refocus.

JH: re govts, use it mostly as a "broadcast" media
... the term is "social media"
... people use it because they can interact and respond to their audience

<davemc> Interactions are incredibly important.

JH: .transparent conversations
... for W3C eGov: important to think about sharing policies for social media
... also, using social media to develop community
... virtual tools are another tool

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: People don't like to download something, they want to be able to work from their desktop.

<Jeanne> olyerickson: The citizenry has been able to use social media to interact and find a voice. But people are often barely able to use some collaborative tools.

<Jeanne> olyerickson: There is a digitial divide between Facebook and Dropbox.

<Jeanne> olyerickson: I postulate that the introduction of high-end collaborative tools separates the digitial haves and have nots.

<Jeanne> olyerickson: There are tools that people are able to use and others that are more difficult.

<davemc> not sure I agree with that download completely. In mobile, maybe, but the success of jQuery (~98 of all desktops) Flash (~97%), Adobe Acrobat Reader (~91%) say desktops are different

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Everyone has Adobe, for example.

<HadleyBeeman> +1 to olyerickson's point— digital engagement (or lack thereof) does cause a speedbump in making social media policies

<Jeanne> olyerickson: There are people who are unable to go onto their State's unemployment sites. The only way to communicate, but these people are homeless or don't have access.

<Jeanne> olyerickson: They are told to go to their library, but there's a real problem where some people don't have computers.

<Jeanne> olyerickson: Part of my volunteer work is connecting people with their unemployment centers.

<PhilA> +1 to olyerickson

<Jeanne> davemc: +1

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Net neutrality is important. If you have telecomm companies throttling your speed, it's affects access and freedoms.

<davemc> CARD: How does eGov fit into the model of digital have-nots

People who aren't connected digitally don't care about net neutrality...

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: Authentication and cryptography are areas that governments have a lot of interest in.

<bhyland> @Olyerickson - you might be surprised with the penetration of of mobile devices among the poor in the US — homeless people are given mobile phones with a limited number of minutes & text plans precisely to interact with government, pharmacies, unemployment office, etc.

<gdick> thinks High Frequency Trading of Information = High Frequency Policy Making !(necessary)

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: There are infrastructure areas that governments will want a role and make a strong contribution.

<Jeanne> davemc: You just hit a sore spot, crytopgraphy is an export issue. I have to go through crypto analysis for every project I release.

@bhyland would you like to jump into the queue?

<Jeanne> davemc: We do have restrictions on some of this from our governments.

<bhyland> @olyerickson, no thank you. You have the issues ably handled.

<HadleyBeeman> We have potential to liaise with the Federated Social Web XG, who are looking at crypto standards. Also, with regard to other policy areas (authentication, identity management/verification, net neutrality)

JH: REspectfully disagrees with Dave
... need to be realistic
... if we as govt intend to be efficient, how to reach across constituency
... how to propagate across media / beyond electronic

<Jeanne> davemc: We do have have and have nots. We are not necessarily trying to solve the problem for the have nots. Our model is trying to figure out the use of elecronic media.

DM: trying to deliver in the digital space...how we move to analog space is not necessarily our mission

JH: There are 5 countries represented in room whose citizens *are* able to access... example of India, primary delivery is e;ectronic, end delivery to villiages off posters

DM: can't have eGov solution that displaces current mechanisms
... e.g. govs can have PDF form, but can't eliminate paper form

<Jeanne> Anne Fitzgerald--are you on the chat?

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Inspire people to do an action ...

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: to use social media and Twitter to push action to your targeted audience to open up an link to move further down the road with you.

<PhilA> bhyland: makes the point about queue managemenet

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: You want to inspire people to action.

<davemc> again, suggest looking at gamification concepts for engagement

<Jeanne> bhyland: Need to manage the queue for remote...

<HadleyBeeman> Re the term egov… I'm starting to wonder if there's more scope in this group for informing infrastructural policies (like net neutrality, authentication and crypto) where governments may not have the resources or expertise to hand, but could be making laws/rules that impact the rest of the w3c work

<Jeanne> olyerickson: Other than posting a position statement (like John Sheridan's), it's not clear to me what this group produced earlier.

<Jeanne> olyerickson: It's not clear to me now where we want to go.

<Jeanne> olyerickson: When we deal with policy we have an intuitive feel for what we want to do. It's not clear to me how we should play with this.

<davemc> to answer John: outside of the doc referenced, nothing was ever extended beyond this

<Jeanne> PhilA: I noticed in the conversation two threads. Kevin, I find your work very interesting and some of those affect other W3C groups and I will follow up.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: There are a lot of advancements and ways for people to interact. Keep an open mind to everything. Every advancement brings something new down the road.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: You have to prepare yourself for where the future is. You have the abilities and all the tools needed to lead the charge.

<Jeanne> PhilA: The second thread is about the use of Twitter and social media generally, particularly by elected officials.

<Jeanne> Victor: Members of the Duma do tweet.

<Jeanne> PhilA: Is it a matter of public record.

<Jeanne> Victor: Not a well spread social conversation or two side communication.

<Jeanne> PhilA: If I tweet something, would you think that message is something that should be part of the public record of the discussions?

<Jeanne> Victor: Generally they tweet some criticism of their colleagues, and not more substantial.

<Jeanne> PhilA: My thought is that if it is the case that people other than us that if an elected official's tweets should be part of the public record...

<Jeanne> PhilA: This would be a relatively quick thing for us to do.

@edsu, what is the current status of twitter archives at LoC?

<Jeanne> PhilA: Library of Congress is supposed to be recording every tweet. Imagine you have an instance where legislators are told that all tweets will be recorded. It would require a small note or recommendation from the W3C.

<Jeanne> Karen Myers (W3C): Did you discuss emergency alerts and the use of social media say in Japan during the tsunami?

<Jeanne> davemc: Suggest two things: there are government docs that say this is how you should and should not use social media--we should collect and look across for commonalities of elements.

<Jeanne> davemc: From that we can become an active task force to show social media is impacting government, outreach models, inreach models, emergencies.

<Jeanne> CARD: (via Dave) we should collect and look across for commonalities of elements

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: When government makes decisions, they try to create a well rounded picture

<Jeanne> davemc: We need to create a best practices on the use of social media inward and outward facing for government.

<Jeanne> davemc: You can tweet our California senators while in session.

+1 to davemc's point w.r.t. "best practices" document that captures applications of social media and rec'd policies, etc

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: If you decide to put all public services on line, you cut off certain people. I think there are more such conflicts.

<davemc> +1 to Hadley on providing guidance on impact

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: The W3C has a very strong role in helping governments understand the impact of these decisions.

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: There is a lot of information that would be important for people to understand.

<Jeanne> PhilA: There is an interesting point about one policy affecting others or other standards. The place for that is the TAG.

<Jeanne> PhilA: There are policies that do affect the Web and we need to write that up and note it for the TAG.

<Jeanne> PhilA: The Technical Architecture Group is only elected folks who see how the affects of one area on other.

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: We also need to reflect back to our colleeagues and others so that we can inform our own governments before such decisions are made.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Augmented reality allows people to tag and mark locations.

<davemc> augmented reality is being looked at for standardization, whatever that means <grin>

<davemc> ECMA led activity

<PhilA> Jeanne: It's clear that one aspect of policy might affect other areas

<PhilA> Jeanne: please help us consider where mwe might have connections to make

Jeanne: At end of day will we collect our items to do

<yosuke> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Draft_chater_of_EITF

<Jeanne> yosuke: The new task force on the Web and TV IG is very interested in emergency information (see link above).

<Jeanne> yosuke: We think that web and TV devices will be a great way to contribute government information and broadcast important information

<Jeanne> PhilA: So the government already has ways to broadcast and they are using it for emergency information?

<Jeanne> yosuke: Government needs to use the telecomm structure for web, tv, mobile, and social media. Now we have emergency information...

<Jeanne> ...how should the government broadcast information.

<Jeanne> PhilA: On the web and TV working group, the EITF might be formed to help understand how to use the web to get emergency information to people.

Jeanne: Having another group looking at e.g. disaster classifications etc would be useful

<Jeanne> Bernard: If we are able to provide the tools that could be a good first step for governments.

<PhilA> bernardGidon: This would be seen as interesting for governments. W3C helping govs to establish/design the services

Jeanne: would make a lot of sense

<gdick> thinks Emergency Information is one thing, Push is another

<Jeanne> PhilA: Interesting that this comes out of Web and TV group

<davemc> q

<Jeanne> Karen: They have legal mandates that broadcasters need to support for emergency broadcasts.

<Jeanne> chsiao: The Taiwan government is using mixed media, but social media is not that attractive to the government.

<PhilA> KarenMyers: the broadcasters have use cases, hence it comes through the Web and YV WG

<Jeanne> chsiao: Social media is seen as a channel to force government to respond. We recently had an #Occupy event.

<Jeanne> chsiao: We don't see how government is going to use social media to engage or broadcast.

<Jeanne> chsiao: The government has lots of channels to do propaganda: TV, traditional media. The internet and social media is being used more for connecting with the younger generation.

<davemc> just FYI: The FCC report on social media. http://www.fcc.gov/info-needs-communities

<Jeanne> ahaller2: Australia: social media is like the US and UK, most senators and government departments tweet regularly and are very present on social media sites.

<Jeanne> ahaller2: The government are looking into different policy areas starting last year

<Jeanne> One of the guidelines Australia has is that PDF documents are not accessible.

<Jeanne> ahaller2: Every government web site needs to follow WCAG standards

<Jeanne> davemc: Note that is being retracted

<Jeanne> ahaller2: Another issue is captions for videos since if you have to capture every video, you'd rather than upload it

<davemc> clarification The retraction is that PDF is not accessible. PDF meets all WCAG 2.0 and Acrobat provides capabilities to meet WCAG 2

<Jeanne> ahaller2: We just had a Gov 2.0 conference a few days ago

<Jeanne> Victor: The policy is more or less independent. The state has lots of ways to traditionally provide content and information.

<Jeanne> Victor: In Russia there are many state-owned media companies. They should listen to what society is saying.

<davemc> WCAG best practices for PDF: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2011/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20110621/pdf.html

<Jeanne> Victor: Officials need to see that there are technological and social systems that are changing. It's popular through young people who report accidents and bribes along the road and report them.

<Jeanne> Victor: Our officials should react. It is interesting to see how the state-owned media company should organize ideas here because they are close to top officials.

<Jeanne> Daniel: The media companies collect information over social media to help get a sense of what the public is feeling.

<Jeanne> Daniel: This group a new opendata.ch that held a first meeting--there might be something coming up from that group.

<Jeanne> Daniel: From Switzerland, the Ech.ch group is looking at standards on how to produce financial reports and produce documents.

<gdick> "The media companies collect information" doesn't like that gatekeeper to elected officials

<Jeanne> Daniel: If you check Twitter activity it's low, like 170 tweets for a politician.

<Jeanne> Daniel: Social media is one way: Facebook, Twitter, and others.

<Jeanne> Daniel: I think citizens are still following standard news pages, including the younger generations, although they are using FaceBook and Twitter.

<Jeanne> Bernard: At the European level, in the nordic region they have a lot of initiatives to open the government data to the population. It is part of the social environment and they are pushing it.

<Jeanne> Bernard: In Israel, they are very open and want to provide this type of information to the population.

<Jeanne> Bernard: Some of this is related to security problems, like providing all the bus timing, but they are in the real process to open information.

<Jeanne> Bernard: In France, there are lots of places and cities that are opening up the data. There's a real process in Europe to do this and the UK story was well received.

<Jeanne> Bernard: It's very interesting to show the population how they are leading.

<Jeanne> Bernard: The President tweets and during a government meeting, some minister is sending information about what is going on during the meeting. But the President asked them to shut it down because they were talking too soon.

<Jeanne> Karen: In Boston, a very sophisticated area. Senators, state, and federal levels in social media. The mayor of Boston is concerned when a lot of tweets come in about potholes or other things.

<Jeanne> Karen: There are many more issues that are exposed and there is a two way interaction.

<davemc> ack

<Jeanne> olyerickson: The state of Vermont uses social media to gather needed repairs and reports about roads and disasters.

<Jeanne> Matthew Yates: Very interested in government and citizens use of social media. Concern: the use is evolving at such a pace, is W3C positioned to respond quickly onthis?

<Jeanne> bhyland: Very interesting to hear everyone's perspectives.

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Good to think about augmented reality and the citizen-citizen interactions

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: And gov-citizen interactions that allow mobile connectivity as well.

<PhilA> kevinsimkins: talks about Augmented Reality on mobile and where citizens can upload info about things like length of queues at locations etc.

<Jeanne> bhyland: Because this is so well funded at DoD in the US, what is the time horizon for this to be more used by the general public?

<gdick> thinks like data.gov airports app ?

<davemc> AR is also quite active in the open source community.

<Jeanne> bhyland: Many of the apps used were developed initially by DoD and others.

<Jeanne> bhyland: what is the horizon until these are easily available?

<Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Two years

<bhyland> Thanks Kevin, very interesting.

<davemc> AR from gartner hype cycle: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1447613

<davemc> if you trust gartner

<bhyland> @Jeanne - are you going to take a break before I facilitate a session on W3C Government Linked Data WG / Community Directory?

<Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: UK government is currently funding 600,000 pounds of competition in the private sector to manage publicly available social media data.

<Jeanne> PhilA: There is an Augmented Reality IG and are looking at which areas of web technology are available.

<Jeanne> bhyland: Yes

<Jeanne> PhilA: This group should look at the use of such technologies within gov

<bhyland> The discussion after the break is an update on W3C Government Linked Data Working Group & the Community Directory deliverable. Slides at http://www.slideshare.net/bhylandwood/20111101-b-hylandw3ctpacegov-9979983

<gdick> http://explore.data.gov/Transportation/Airport-Status-Web-Service/73wc-weaf

<bhyland> (sorry I couldn't post on W3C wiki as the limit was 5MB and my deck is a bit larger ...)

<bhyland> I'll dial back in at 11:15AM PST

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: jiss to provide list on international policies and guidelines on accessibility [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-egov-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: jkiss to provide list on international policies and guidelines on accessibility [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-egov-minutes.html#action02]
 
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