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14:54:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:54:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:54:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:54:17 <trackbot> Date: 27 October 2011
14:54:40 <shadi> Chair: Abou-Zahra_Shadi
14:54:40 <shadi> Regrets+ Harper_Simon
14:54:40 <shadi> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
14:54:40 <shadi> Agenda+ Update on actions, jobs, publicity, and other items we need to
14:54:40 <shadi> complete before the first seminar.
14:54:41 <shadi> Agenda+ Evaluating Submissions from Scientific Committee Members -
14:54:45 <shadi> Procedure and Protocol.
14:54:47 <shadi> Agenda+ Next Topic Discussion - Redux.
14:54:49 <shadi> Agenda+ ACM ASSETS Conference - Next Week - Anything we want to bring to
14:54:51 <shadi> their attention.
14:54:53 <shadi> Agenda+ Any Other Business 
14:54:55 <shadi> agenda?
14:55:06 <shadi> zakim, clear agenda
14:55:18 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:55:38 <shadi> Chair: Abou-Zahra_Shadi
14:55:38 <shadi> Regrets+ Harper_Simon
14:55:38 <shadi> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
14:55:38 <shadi> Agenda+ Update on actions, jobs, publicity, and other items we need to
14:55:38 <shadi> complete before the first seminar.
14:55:39 <shadi> Agenda+ Evaluating Submissions from Scientific Committee Members -
14:55:41 <shadi> Procedure and Protocol.
14:55:45 <shadi> Agenda+ Next Topic Discussion - Redux.
14:55:47 <shadi> Agenda+ ACM ASSETS Conference - Next Week - Anything we want to bring to
14:55:49 <shadi> their attention.
14:55:51 <shadi> Agenda+ Any Other Business
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15:01:00 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()11:00AM has now started
15:01:01 <Zakim> +??P57
15:01:23 <giorgio> ?
15:01:28 <giorgio> help
15:01:33 <giorgio> h
15:01:39 <giorgio> zakim h
15:01:44 <markel> markel has joined #rd
15:02:19 <giorgio> zakim, code?
15:02:19 <Zakim> the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), giorgio
15:02:40 <giorgio> zakim, who's here?
15:02:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P57
15:02:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see markel, giorgio, Peter, RRSAgent, shadi, nonge, Mate, Zakim, trackbot
15:03:02 <giorgio> zakim, ??P57 is giorgio
15:03:11 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
15:03:18 <giorgio> zakim, who's here?
15:03:24 <Zakim> +??P62
15:03:27 <Zakim> -??P62
15:03:29 <Zakim> +??P62
15:03:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see giorgio, ??P62
15:03:58 <Joshue108> Joshue108 has joined #rd
15:04:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see markel, giorgio, Peter, RRSAgent, shadi, nonge, Mate, Zakim, trackbot
15:04:08 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
15:04:38 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
15:04:38 <shadi> zakim, ??p62 is Markel
15:04:44 <Zakim> +Markel; got it
15:05:34 <Zakim> +??P24
15:05:35 <Joshue108> zakim, code?
15:05:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Joshue108
15:05:46 <Zakim> +??P14
15:05:47 <Peter> ??P24 is me 
15:05:52 <Joshue108> zakim, ??P24 is Joshue
15:05:52 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:06:09 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:06:09 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:06:19 <Peter> hmm not sure who I am :)
15:06:33 <Peter> Zakim, mute me 
15:06:33 <Zakim> sorry, Peter, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:06:37 <Peter> a deep question I know
15:06:56 <shadi> agenda?
15:07:16 <Peter>  Zakim, ??P14 is me 
15:07:16 <Zakim> +Peter; got it
15:07:19 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:07:19 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from shadi]
15:07:36 <markel>  thanks GB
15:07:41 <Peter> Zakim, mute me
15:07:41 <Zakim> Peter should now be muted
15:07:52 <Peter> sure
15:08:05 <markel> lol
15:08:29 <Peter> sounds good
15:08:32 <shadi> scribe: peter
15:08:52 <Zakim> -Peter
15:08:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:09:11 <Peter> oh no
15:09:12 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is Vivienne
15:09:12 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
15:09:32 <Peter> scribe: peter
15:10:49 <Peter> Zakim, unmute
15:10:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', Peter
15:11:02 <Peter> will re-dial
15:11:15 <Peter> better take Giorgio for scribe and I'll take the next time
15:11:16 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:11:16 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Update on actions, jobs, publicity, and other items we need to" taken up [from shadi]
15:11:23 <Peter> on a bit of a sketchy wifi
15:11:29 <shadi> scribe: giorgio 
15:11:33 <Zakim> -Joshue
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15:12:12 <Zakim> +??P16
15:12:22 <giorgio> shadi: resumes item 1 of agenda; we got 1 submission
15:12:25 <Peter> Zakim, ??P16 is me
15:12:25 <Zakim> +Peter; got it
15:12:37 <Peter> Zakim, mute me 
15:12:37 <Zakim> Peter should now be muted
15:12:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:12:45 <Peter> (sorry about that)
15:12:50 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd-submission/
15:12:58 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
15:12:58 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:13:21 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:13:21 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:13:45 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Selection_Criteria
15:13:58 <giorgio> SAZ: we set up review notes/instructions tha twe agreed upon time ago, but we didn't finilzed them
15:14:47 <giorgio> SAZ: we sent a reminder that deadline is not extendable
15:14:52 <markel> q+
15:14:52 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0025.html
15:14:58 <shadi> ack m
15:15:34 <giorgio> markel: who is the receipient of those automatic notification of new submissions?
15:15:42 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd-submission/
15:16:13 <giorgio> SAZ: public mailing list, anybody can subscribe to it
15:16:49 <giorgio> SAZ: submission mailing list, actually. as symposium chairs we are there
15:17:35 <giorgio> SAZ: apologizes for having included a few persons in it. The scientific comittee was by default added to the list
15:17:55 <giorgio> SAZ: we can change the current policy.
15:18:01 <giorgio> q+
15:18:12 <shadi> ack g
15:18:21 <Joshue> and me!
15:18:31 <giorgio> giorgio: was very happy for shadi doing by default
15:18:40 <markel> q+
15:18:54 <shadi> ack m
15:19:19 <giorgio> markel: then anybody can access the submissions? is it a good thing?
15:19:44 <giorgio> q+
15:19:44 <Joshue> good point
15:20:01 <giorgio> markel: there is confidentiality of submission at stakes
15:20:08 <markel> that's it
15:20:16 <shadi> ack g
15:21:20 <markel> agree with GB
15:21:23 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/metrics/
15:21:35 <giorgio> giorgio: the policy should be in line with the cfp
15:22:20 <giorgio> saz: checking if there is some info in the cfp; there is none, apparently
15:22:27 <giorgio> q+
15:22:32 <shadi> ack g
15:24:02 <giorgio> giorgio: it should be something that for next webminars should be checked. right now I think we are good, but we should close subscriptions to that mailing list
15:24:05 <giorgio> saz: agrees
15:24:11 <markel> :-)
15:24:32 <markel> q+
15:24:44 <shadi> ack m
15:25:21 <giorgio> markel: deadline is on monday; then the sceintific committee will meet;
15:25:32 <giorgio> q+
15:25:51 <markel> normally submissions will arrive the night before
15:25:52 <shadi> ack g
15:26:54 <markel> it's a good proposal
15:27:17 <giorgio> giorgio: suggests that chairs should appoint papers to reviewers; collect reviews and then set up a discussion in the group
15:28:04 <markel> a week for reviews?
15:28:07 <Joshue> Yes, thats fine
15:28:10 <giorgio> q+
15:28:17 <Joshue> depending on amount of papers tho
15:28:36 <markel> sounds good
15:28:50 <markel> still have 1 week for the notification
15:28:53 <Joshue> Shall we start on the 2nd?
15:28:53 <shadi> ack g
15:29:23 <Joshue> +q
15:29:29 <markel> me too
15:29:29 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
15:29:29 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
15:29:31 <shadi> ack q
15:29:35 <shadi> ack j
15:29:36 <giorgio> giorgio: agrees with 1 week
15:29:57 <giorgio> josh: how will the process work?
15:30:12 <giorgio> q+
15:30:33 <shadi> ack g
15:31:33 <markel> yes, watch out with conflicts of interest
15:31:39 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:31:39 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:31:58 <giorgio> q+
15:31:59 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
15:31:59 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
15:32:28 <giorgio> SORRY josh: I forgot you were a chair
15:32:29 <markel> SAZ, it's clear to me
15:32:35 <shadi> ack g
15:32:36 <Joshue> no worries
15:32:52 <markel> :-)
15:33:28 <giorgio> yes
15:33:31 <Joshue> yes
15:33:38 <markel> don't worry, we will manage
15:33:42 <Joshue> :-)
15:33:43 <giorgio> saz: can giorgio markel josh make sure that the process is smooth enough
15:33:54 <Joshue> ok
15:34:03 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:34:03 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:34:11 <giorgio> yes, we wil be bery bad guys for thoe that are late
15:34:32 <giorgio> q+
15:34:33 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
15:34:34 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
15:34:36 <Joshue> +q
15:35:31 <giorgio> markel: we can meet 1 week after, but the deadline is on the 17th (for the answers); let's make sure that those that are always late like me can do it.
15:35:37 <giorgio> q+
15:36:14 <Joshue> -q
15:36:19 <markel> sure
15:36:39 <markel> yes SAZ you are right
15:37:34 <shadi> ack g
15:38:40 <giorgio> saz: monday 7/11 afternoon is ok?
15:38:52 <giorgio> saz: for the PC meeting?
15:38:52 <Joshue> Yup, both are fine with me
15:39:06 <giorgio> saz: also wed 9/11
15:39:09 <markel> ok
15:39:16 <giorgio> ok
15:39:34 <markel> any of them 7 or 9 suits me
15:39:50 <giorgio> saz: good
15:39:56 <Joshue> AM is better for me
15:40:23 <shadi> 2-3 Symposium Chairs to meet
15:41:02 <shadi> tentative dates for scientific committee: 7,9,14,15 Nov (whichever are needed)
15:41:05 <giorgio> q+
15:41:19 <shadi> reporting back: 10, 17 Nov
15:41:23 <shadi> ack g
15:42:06 <giorgio> thank you josh
15:42:34 <giorgio> saz: sent out a reminder
15:42:44 <giorgio> q+
15:42:56 <shadi> ack g
15:43:33 <giorgio> giorgio: we should also ping those poeple that were individually "invited"
15:43:52 <markel> q+
15:43:58 <shadi> ack m
15:44:26 <giorgio> markel: can the pc member submit?
15:44:29 <giorgio> q+
15:44:44 <shadi> q-
15:44:50 <giorgio> ok
15:45:00 <shadi> q- g
15:45:03 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:45:03 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Evaluating Submissions from Scientific Committee Members -" taken up [from shadi]
15:45:07 <shadi> q+ giorgio 
15:45:26 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:45:29 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:45:33 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Selection_Criteria
15:45:46 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/cfp.html
15:45:48 <shadi> ack g
15:47:15 <giorgio> giorgio: we should use the typical conflict of interest of papers and reviewers.
15:47:48 <giorgio> q+
15:48:40 <shadi> ack g
15:50:47 <giorgio> saz: to write a wiki to document that conflict of interest is to handled with a policy, that additional extra reviewers should be involved if needed
15:52:38 <giorgio> saz: to vote for the current wiki page for the paper selection and revieing criteria
15:52:41 <giorgio> ok for me
15:52:45 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:52:45 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Next Topic Discussion - Redux." taken up [from shadi]
15:53:02 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki7
15:53:05 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/
15:53:18 <giorgio> saz: we had some activity,people adding ideas for the next topic
15:53:55 <giorgio> saz: expects something from mario & klaus to add things
15:54:11 <markel> are we running another survey to choose the next topic?
15:54:16 <giorgio> saz: klaus miesemberger from lienz univ in austria
15:54:31 <giorgio> saz: please populate the wiki with topics
15:54:45 <markel> q+
15:55:01 <giorgio> saz: we will discuss it next week again
15:55:10 <giorgio> markel: will we run another survey?
15:55:54 <giorgio> saz: simon thought of a survey; I see a survey is better when there is a short lit of items and a discussion was run to evaluate them beforehand
15:56:13 <giorgio> saz: simon thought of a survey; I see a survey is better when there
15:56:18 <shadi> ack m
15:56:26 <giorgio> saz: is a short lit of items and a discussion was run to evaluate them beforehand
15:56:51 <Joshue> me lol
15:57:49 <giorgio> saz: we drop the item on assets
15:57:51 <markel> ASSEST it's gone!
15:58:00 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 5
15:58:00 <Zakim> agendum 5, ACM ASSETS Conference - Next Week - Anything we want to bring to, dropped
15:58:07 <markel> finished yesterday
15:58:08 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:58:08 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Any Other Business" taken up [from shadi]
15:58:21 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ACT/
15:58:54 <giorgio> saz: a new funded project, started on sept 1, multipartnerm,, w3c + others
16:00:10 <giorgio> saz: goal is to develop guidance for policy makers, an evaluation methodology
16:01:38 <giorgio> saz: will keep us posted
16:01:56 <giorgio> not me
16:03:17 <markel> see you!
16:03:19 <Peter> cheers
16:03:22 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:03:23 <markel> markel has left #rd
16:03:26 <Zakim> -Vivienne
16:03:27 <Zakim> -Markel
16:03:29 <Zakim> -shadi
16:03:32 <Zakim> -Peter
16:03:33 <Zakim> -giorgio
16:03:33 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()11:00AM has ended
16:03:35 <Zakim> Attendees were giorgio, shadi, Markel, Joshue, Peter, Vivienne
16:04:14 <shadi> trackbot, end meetin
16:04:14 <trackbot> Sorry, shadi, I don't understand 'trackbot, end meetin'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
16:04:16 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
16:04:16 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:04:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:04:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/27-rd-minutes.html trackbot
16:04:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:04:18 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
16:04:18 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is