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14:59:11 <kaz_> zakim, code?
14:59:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 93288 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz_
14:59:35 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has now started
14:59:37 <Zakim> +??P19
14:59:42 <Zakim> +??P20
14:59:44 <Zakim> -??P20
14:59:46 <Zakim> +??P20
14:59:47 <kaz_> zakim, ??P19 is me
14:59:48 <Zakim> +kaz_; got it
14:59:57 <Clarke> zakim, ??P20 is me
15:00:08 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
15:00:25 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
15:00:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, kaz_
15:00:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see Clarke, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz_, francois, masao, trackbot
15:00:44 <Zakim> +Franck
15:01:14 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
15:01:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, kaz_, Franck
15:01:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see Clarke, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz_, francois, masao, trackbot
15:01:25 <kaz_> zakim, Kazuyuki is me
15:01:27 <Zakim> sorry, kaz_, I do not recognize a party named 'Kazuyuki'
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15:01:46 <kaz_> zakim, mute me
15:01:47 <Zakim> kaz_ should now be muted
15:01:59 <Zakim> +Dave_Mays
15:02:53 <Zakim> +??P32
15:02:58 <kaz_> zakim, unmute me
15:02:58 <Zakim> kaz_ should no longer be muted
15:03:00 <franck> franck has joined #webtv
15:03:02 <Zakim> + +1.415.839.aaaa
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15:03:10 <kaz_> zakim, ??P32 is Francois
15:03:10 <Zakim> +Francois; got it
15:03:23 <francois> zakim, mute me
15:03:23 <Zakim> Francois should now be muted
15:03:56 <kaz_> zakim, aaaa is Iraj_Sodagar
15:03:56 <Zakim> +Iraj_Sodagar; got it
15:04:09 <Zakim> +??P36
15:04:10 <Zakim> +??P12
15:04:34 <kaz_> zakim, ??P12 is Bob
15:04:34 <Zakim> +Bob; got it
15:04:35 <Eric> Eric Winkelman @ cablelabs
15:04:43 <kaz_> zakim, ??P36 is Eric
15:04:43 <Zakim> +Eric; got it
15:04:45 <Zakim> +Duncan
15:04:55 <francois> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, kaz_, Franck, Dave_Mays, Francois (muted), Iraj_Sodagar, Eric, Bob, Duncan
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15:05:28 <kaz_> Present: Clarke, Kaz, Franck, Dave_Mays, Francois, Iraj_Sodagar, Eric, Bob, Duncan
15:05:57 <kaz_> scribe: kaz
15:06:01 <kaz_> scribenick: kaz
15:06:07 <francois> zakim, who is making noise?
15:06:17 <Zakim> francois, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: kaz_ (54%), Iraj_Sodagar (6%)
15:06:18 <kaz_> clarke: finalize gap discussion
15:06:28 <Clarke> requirements: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Requirements#Other
15:06:30 <francois> zakim, mute kaz_
15:06:30 <Zakim> kaz_ should now be muted
15:06:38 <Zakim> -Dave_Mays
15:07:05 <Zakim> +Dave_Mays
15:07:07 <francois> zakim, who is making noise?
15:07:18 <Zakim> francois, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Clarke (69%)
15:08:02 <kaz_> zakim, drop me
15:08:02 <Zakim> kaz_ is being disconnected
15:08:04 <Zakim> -kaz_
15:08:18 <Zakim> -Bob
15:08:19 <kaz_> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
15:08:19 <Zakim> ok, kaz_; the call is being made
15:08:21 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
15:08:54 <Zakim> +??P12
15:09:05 <kaz_> zakim, ??P12 is Bob
15:09:05 <Zakim> +Bob; got it
15:10:59 <Zakim> -Bob
15:11:05 <Clarke> I just realized I'm not on the phone. I'll call in again.
15:11:44 <Zakim> +??P46
15:11:55 <kaz_> zakim, ??P46 is Clarke
15:11:55 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
15:12:35 <kaz_> clarke: (reviews requirements)
15:12:38 <Zakim> +??P19
15:13:07 <kaz_> ... R1 LC bugs 13357, 13359 and CableLabs TV Services Mapping
15:13:22 <kaz_> s/R1/R1: /
15:13:31 <francois> ack me
15:13:34 <kaz_> ... any discussion?
15:14:00 <kaz_> fd: are you thinking deliverable for the Web and TV?
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15:14:14 <kaz_> ... what is already on the wiki is enough?
15:14:31 <kaz_> clarke: common name services
15:15:03 <kaz_> bob: MPTF wiki motivates creating reference
15:15:22 <kaz_> ... mapping for existing specifications
15:15:42 <kaz_> ... would like to see if W3C would support that kind of mapping
15:15:59 <kaz_> ... e.g., 1 for MPEG TS
15:16:28 <kaz_> fd: guess my question is where to bring this
15:16:59 <kaz_> bob: Web and TV, esp. this MPTF can identify this kind of use cases
15:17:36 <kaz_> ... cable operators would like W3C to create specification for them
15:17:52 <kaz_> ... wherever within W3C is fine
15:18:28 <kaz_> clarke: would see which requirements need clarification
15:19:02 <francois> kaz: do we want to bring this mapping to the HTML WG joint meeting?
15:19:11 <kaz_> clarke: yes
15:19:24 <kaz_> fd: that's what I wanted to hear :)
15:19:43 <Zakim> +Steven_Wright
15:19:52 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
15:19:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, Franck, Francois, Iraj_Sodagar, Eric, Duncan, Dave_Mays, Kazuyuki, Clarke.a, ??P19, Steven_Wright
15:19:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see Iraj, duncanr, Eric, franck, davidmays, Clarke, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz_, francois, masao, trackbot
15:21:04 <kaz_> kaz: maybe we should ask Mark Vickers to present this point as well during the plenary session?
15:21:04 <francois> kaz: Mark Vickers will moderate a session on Web and TV during plenary session. Would be useful to mention MPTF results there.
15:21:14 <francois> zakim, mute me
15:21:14 <Zakim> Francois should now be muted
15:21:15 <kaz_> s/az: maybe we should ask Mark Vickers to present this point as well during the plenary session?//
15:21:36 <kaz_> clarke: R2. Key Metadata Types
15:21:55 <kaz_> ... everything is already covered
15:22:01 <kaz_> ... so would suggest we delete this
15:23:04 <kaz_> zakim, ??P19 is Bob
15:23:04 <Zakim> +Bob; got it
15:23:19 <kaz_> no response
15:23:25 <kaz_> clareke: will delete R2
15:23:33 <francois> s/clareke/clarke
15:23:50 <kaz_> clarke: R3. Midstream Modification of Track Elements
15:24:05 <kaz_> ... HTML5 LC bug 13358 and Jan's bug
15:24:09 <kaz_> ... any discussion?
15:24:16 <kaz_> (nothing)
15:24:28 <kaz_> clarke: R4. agreed to drop
15:24:46 <kaz_> clarke: R5. also dropped
15:25:00 <kaz_> clarke: R6. dropped
15:25:11 <kaz_> clarke: R7 and R10 are equiverent
15:25:23 <kaz_> ... adaptive bit rate parameters
15:25:40 <kaz_> ... two related HTML5 LC bugs 13333 and 13625
15:25:53 <kaz_> ... params to media element was rejected
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15:26:02 <kaz_> ... but we should reconsider it
15:26:21 <kaz_> ... 13625 add attribute
15:26:42 <kaz_> ... WG should address these
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15:27:10 <kaz_> kaz: do we want to merge them? 
15:27:13 <kaz_> clarke: could do that
15:27:41 <kaz_> bob: think we should keep them separate
15:27:53 <kaz_> ... maybe solve them similarly, though
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15:28:47 <kaz_> ... we think that same mechanism now but after more detailed work it might be different
15:28:50 <kaz_> clarke: make sense
15:28:55 <kaz_> kaz: ok
15:28:58 <francois> [I would emphasize that the group wants #13333 to be reconsidered in the Requirements doc]
15:29:57 <kaz_> clarke: good idea
15:30:05 <kaz_> clarke: R8 and R11
15:30:15 <kaz_> ... might be able to use existing mechanism
15:31:03 <kaz_> ... but adaptive bit rate might be some sort of bandwidth
15:31:09 <kaz_> ... error code, etc.
15:31:30 <kaz_> ... any feedback should be related for specific adaptive bit rate?
15:31:48 <kaz_> ... so R8/R11 should remain
15:31:51 <kaz_> ... make sense?
15:32:20 <kaz_> clarke: R9. dropped
15:32:35 <kaz_> clarke: one final question is R12
15:32:44 <kaz_> ... bug 13357
15:32:49 <kaz_> ... related to audio tracks
15:32:55 <Zakim> +??P9
15:33:16 <kaz_> ... doesn't seem to be specific to in-band tracks
15:33:18 <aizu> zakim, ??P9 is me
15:33:18 <Zakim> +aizu; got it
15:33:51 <kaz_> bob: would suggest associated with R1
15:34:11 <kaz_> clareke: we probably don't need R12
15:34:18 <kaz_> ... so would suggest ignore R12
15:34:25 <kaz_> ... anyone disagree?
15:34:27 <kaz_> (no response)
15:34:37 <kaz_> clarke: will remove R12
15:35:04 <kaz_> clarke: four identified gaps
15:35:14 <kaz_> s/clareke/clarke/
15:35:27 <kaz_> ... is that reasonable to moving forward with them?
15:35:35 <kaz_> (no objections)
15:36:05 <kaz_> clarke: will generate high-level slides for the HTML WG meeting
15:36:19 <kaz_> ... anything related to the requirements?
15:36:22 <kaz_> (nothing)
15:36:28 <kaz_> topic: TPAC discussion
15:36:51 <kaz_> clarke: we'll meet with HTML WG Thursday afternoon
15:37:44 <kaz_> kaz: are you joining the agenda building session of HTML WG?
15:37:47 <kaz_> clarke: yes
15:38:03 <kaz_> ... DeviceAPIs joint meeting will be Friday morning
15:38:19 <kaz_> ... next week will be the last week before TPAC
15:38:25 <kaz_> ... final review of the slides
15:40:13 <Zakim> -Eric
15:40:14 <Zakim> -aizu
15:40:14 <Zakim> -Clarke.a
15:40:16 <kaz_> kaz: some more joint meetings are planned during TPAC 2011
15:40:16 <Zakim> -Dave_Mays
15:40:16 <Zakim> -Steven_Wright
15:40:16 <Zakim> -Duncan
15:40:17 <Zakim> -Iraj_Sodagar
15:40:18 <Zakim> -Franck
15:40:20 <Zakim> -Francois
15:40:20 <Clarke> Thanks, Kaz
15:40:22 <Zakim> -Bob
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15:40:35 <kaz_> ... you should express you intention on the registration site
15:40:48 <kaz_> ... please see the message I sent to the group member list
15:40:57 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
15:41:16 <kaz_> [ adjourned ]
15:41:22 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
15:41:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke
15:41:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see narm_gadiraju, franck, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz_, francois, masao, trackbot
15:41:35 <kaz_> zakim, drop Clarke
15:41:35 <Zakim> Clarke is being disconnected
15:41:37 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended
15:41:39 <Zakim> Attendees were kaz_, Clarke, Franck, Dave_Mays, +1.415.839.aaaa, Francois, Iraj_Sodagar, Bob, Eric, Duncan, Kazuyuki, Steven_Wright, aizu
15:42:06 <kaz_> present+ Steven, Aizu
15:42:17 <kaz_> Meeting: MPTF call
15:42:25 <kaz_> chair: Clarke
15:42:32 <kaz_> rrsagent, make log public
15:42:39 <kaz_> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:42:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/20-webtv-minutes.html kaz_
15:43:44 <kaz_> s/scribenick: kaz/scribenick: kaz_/
15:44:00 <kaz_> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:44:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/20-webtv-minutes.html kaz_
15:44:51 <kaz_> s/you intention/your intention/
15:45:03 <kaz_> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:45:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/20-webtv-minutes.html kaz_
15:46:40 <kaz_> present+ Narm
15:46:42 <kaz_> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:46:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/20-webtv-minutes.html kaz_
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