15:59:51 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #html-wg
15:59:51 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/20-html-wg-irc
15:59:52 <dsinger_> Trackbot, start meeting
15:59:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:59:53 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #html-wg
15:59:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:59:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
15:59:56 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:56 <trackbot> Date: 20 October 2011
15:59:56 <trackbot> Sorry, dsinger_, I don't understand 'Trackbot, start meeting'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
15:59:57 <pimpbot> Title: IRC Trackbot (at www.w3.org)
16:00:08 <Zakim> +[Apple]
16:00:08 <hober> Zakim, Apple has hober
16:00:09 <Zakim> +hober; got it
16:00:36 <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
16:00:41 <eliot> eliot has joined #html-wg
16:00:43 <Bruce> Bruce has joined #html-wg
16:00:53 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:00:53 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:00:54 <Zakim> +Mike
16:01:09 <Zakim> + +49.251.280.aabb
16:01:14 <hober> ScribeNick: hober
16:01:21 <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aabb is me
16:01:21 <Zakim> +Julian; got it
16:01:23 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:01:26 <Julian> Zakim, mute me
16:01:26 <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
16:01:28 <eliot> zakim, microsoft is me
16:01:28 <Zakim> +eliot; got it
16:01:28 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:01:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger (muted), ??P17, +1.619.524.aaaa, [Apple], Radhika_Roy, Mike, Julian (muted), eliot
16:01:30 <Lachy> Lachy has joined #html-wg
16:01:32 <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
16:01:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bruce, eliot, Zakim, RRSAgent, MFoladare, rubys, paulc, J_Voracek, Julian, janina, dsinger_, karl, anne, shepazu, MikeSmith, miketaylr, davidb, plh, nonge__, arronei_,
16:01:38 <Zakim> ... Dashiva, krijnh, heycam, hober, pingo, lgombos, Jedi, gsnedders, johndrinkwater, gavin, webben, inimino, CIA-1, ed, jgraham, [tm], pimpbot, Philip, hiro, jmb, Hixie, trackbot
16:01:40 <Zakim> +Sam
16:01:51 <janina> zakim, ??P17 is Janina
16:01:51 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
16:01:52 <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011OctDec/0005.html
16:01:53 <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-10-20: issue updates from Sam Ruby on 2011-10-19 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:02:35 <Zakim> -[Apple]
16:02:56 <Zakim> +[Apple]
16:02:57 <hober> Zakim, Apple has hober
16:02:57 <Zakim> +hober; got it
16:03:06 <adrianba> adrianba has joined #html-wg
16:03:11 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:03:30 <hober> Topic: Action items due by Thursday, October 20
16:03:34 <hober> rubys: there are none
16:03:38 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:03:39 <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week
16:03:51 <hober> issue-181?
16:03:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- raised
16:03:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
16:03:52 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:03:52 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:03:52 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:04:01 <hober> Topic: Items Closed This Week
16:04:06 <hober> ISSUE-166?
16:04:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed -- closed
16:04:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/166
16:04:07 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-166: text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:04:10 <hober> rubys: decision applied
16:04:13 <hober> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6656&to=6657
16:04:15 <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 Tracker (at html5.org)
16:04:16 <hober> ISSUE-173?
16:04:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-173 -- Split AppCache out -- closed
16:04:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/173
16:04:17 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-173: Split AppCache out - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:04:19 <hober> ISSUE-175?
16:04:19 <trackbot> ISSUE-175 -- Normative Reference to Work Attributed Solely to Pseudonymous Author -- closed
16:04:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/175
16:04:20 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-175: Normative Reference to Work Attributed Solely to Pseudonymous Author - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:04:24 <hober> rubys: both closed without prejudice
16:04:32 <hober> rubys: there are people working on CPs for both
16:04:42 <hober> rubys: will open when we receive them
16:04:50 <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
16:04:55 <hober> ISSUE-174?
16:04:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- raised
16:04:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
16:04:57 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:04:59 <hober> ISSUE-176?
16:04:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-176 -- Revert the edit that removed the Editing API -- raised
16:04:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/176
16:05:00 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-176: Revert the edit that removed the Editing API - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:06 <hober> rubys: both have change proposals due Oct 21
16:05:21 <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
16:05:24 <Zakim> +adrianba
16:05:27 <hober> ISSUE-177?
16:05:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- raised
16:05:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
16:05:28 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:32 <hober> ISSUE-178?
16:05:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-178 -- Don't include colon in examples of URI scheme names -- raised
16:05:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/178
16:05:33 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-178: Dont include colon in examples of URI scheme names - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:36 <hober> ISSUE-179?
16:05:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- raised
16:05:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
16:05:37 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:39 <J_Voracek> J_Voracek has joined #html-wg
16:05:46 <hober> rubys: all change proposals due next Friday, Oct 28
16:05:51 <Julian> 177 has a change proposal
16:06:07 <cjones> cjones has joined #html-wg
16:06:18 <hober> rubys: i'll update the issue status page
16:06:25 <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
16:06:29 <hober> rubys: there are none
16:06:31 <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
16:06:33 <hober> rubys: there are none
16:06:37 <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
16:06:40 <hober> rubys: there are none
16:06:50 <hober> Topic: Other Business
16:06:55 <hober> Bug 10830 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830
16:06:57 <pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830 public-i18n-cjk, P2, NEW, 13i18n comment : Please add support for rb
16:06:58 <pimpbot> 1110830: public-i18n-cjk, P2, NEW, 13i18n comment : Please add support for rb
16:07:11 <hober> rubys: some discussion, attempt to raise priority missed deadline
16:07:19 <hober> rubys: editor has until the end of the year to resolve
16:07:32 <hober> rubys: can be escalated, just giving editor time to address the issue
16:07:46 <hober> Topic: Other other business
16:07:56 <hober> Topic: Scribe for next meeting
16:08:09 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:08:09 <adrianba> i can scribe next week
16:08:19 <hober> Topic: Adjournment
16:08:28 <Zakim> -Mike
16:08:31 <Zakim> -Sam
16:08:32 <Zakim> -Janina
16:08:33 <Zakim> -[Apple]
16:08:33 <Zakim> -Julian
16:08:35 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
16:08:37 <Zakim> -adrianba
16:08:37 <janina> janina has left #html-wg
16:08:39 <Zakim> -eliot
16:08:46 <Zakim> -dsinger
16:09:06 <hober> RRSAgent: make minutes public
16:09:06 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', hober.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:09:32 <hober> RRSAgent: make minutes
16:09:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/20-html-wg-minutes.html hober
16:09:32 <Zakim> - +1.619.524.aaaa
16:12:31 <miketayl_r> miketayl_r has joined #html-wg
16:15:27 <tH> tH has joined #html-wg
16:18:20 <dveditz> dveditz has joined #html-wg
16:18:23 <EGregor> EGregor has joined #html-wg
16:24:33 <rubys> rubys has left #html-wg
16:29:30 <karl> karl has joined #html-wg
16:37:03 <pimpbot> changes: sam: Change proposal for issue 177 <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0111.html>
16:37:06 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14202] Have a way to mark up the publication date and latest update time for <article> elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0760.html>
17:03:38 <miketaylr> miketaylr has joined #html-wg
17:22:32 <karlushi> karlushi has joined #html-wg
17:23:33 <Lachy> Lachy has joined #html-wg
17:35:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, [Microsoft], in HTML_WG()12:00PM
17:35:02 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
17:35:06 <Zakim> Attendees were dsinger, +1.619.524.aaaa, hober, Radhika_Roy, Mike, Julian, eliot, Sam, Janina, Cynthia_Shelly, paulc, adrianba
17:39:21 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13903] leftover text about "sidebar hyperlinks" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0761.html>
18:04:46 <shepazu> shepazu has joined #html-wg
18:08:11 <davidb> davidb has joined #html-wg
18:32:34 <Zakim> Zakim has left #html-wg
18:36:39 <karl> karl has joined #html-wg
19:12:00 <MikeSmith_> MikeSmith_ has joined #html-wg
19:35:45 <karl> karl has joined #html-wg
20:13:55 <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r6712) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0112.html>
20:13:57 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14039] The algorithm for finding properties of an item doesn't check for element namespace <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0769.html> 4** [Bug 14175] should allow deferring these steps until the event handler would be invoked (observable with window.onerror) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0764.html> 4** [Bug 13240] Consider replacing <time> with <data> <11http://
20:17:34 <Dashiva> Dashiva has joined #html-wg
20:35:46 <pimpbot> planet: Ben Moskowitz: Popcorn is a Gateway Drug <11http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=390>
20:45:34 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14175] should allow deferring these steps until the event handler would be invoked (observable with window.onerror) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0775.html> 4** [Bug 14202] Have a way to mark up the publication date and latest update time for <article> elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0774.html> 4** [Bug 14526] When adding filenames to the data set, shoul
21:16:14 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14109] Stop and start media buffering <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0784.html> 4** [Bug 14100] <track> typo: Neil DeGrasse Tyson <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0783.html> 4** [Bug 14153] This defeats the entire purpose of separating style and content. Style scoping works quite well using the CSS cascade <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzill
21:48:05 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14212] LinkStyle usage means mandatory dependency on CSSOM types <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0786.html> 4** [Bug 14176] If the script is not same-origin, window.onerror should be invoked with arguments ("Script error.", "", 0) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0785.html>
22:18:24 <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Simplification in the microsyntax parsing rules, which makes non-negative integers accept leading - and + characters (- only for -0 of course). (whatwg r6717) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0114.html> 4** hixie: xref (whatwg r6716) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0113.html>
22:18:27 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14234] Rules for parsing non-negative integers should re-use rules for parsing signed integers and add a >= 0 check <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0793.html> 4** [Bug 14150] I am a photographer as well as a hand-coding web designer. One thing that frustrates me is the duplicity between alt="" and title="" for photographs and photographers. For instance: <img class="thumbnail" alt="David Kyles" title="Dav
22:29:03 <davidb> davidb has joined #html-wg
22:29:17 <dsinger> dsinger has joined #html-wg
22:50:19 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13983] It seems like textarea's raw value should always normalize newlines to \n <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0795.html> 4** [Bug 13983] It seems like textarea's raw value should always normalize newlines to \n <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0794.html>
22:55:53 <davidb> davidb has joined #html-wg
23:20:42 <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r6720) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0118.html> 4** hixie: Move XMLDocumentLoader.load to XMLDocument. (whatwg r6719) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0117.html> 4** hixie: Make HTMLDocument === Document. (whatwg r6718) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0116.html> 4** microdata; hixie: Make HTMLDocument === Document. (w
23:20:46 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13810] Typo: "elemenst" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0799.html> 4** [Bug 14259] <track> Drop Timestamp Objects on the floor instead of exposing as PIs <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0798.html> 4** [Bug 13810] Typo: "elemenst" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0797.html> 4** [Bug 14186] Proposed additional information for <
23:52:21 <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r6723) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0120.html> 4** hixie: (WIP - MIMESNIFF has not yet been updated accordingly) Change the spec to use MIMESNIFF rules for text tracks instead of blindly honouring MIME types. (whatwg r6721) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0119.html>
23:52:28 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13754] as an author, I would have expected that a radio button with value="" checked would be suffering from being missing when the form is submitted <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0808.html> 4** [Bug 13833] Suggesting new feature: Accessible Image tag for Visually Impaired Hi, I design tactile graphics for visually impaired individuals. The amount of useful visual information is enormous and the majorit