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12:24:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
12:24:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:24:40 <trackbot> Date: 19 October 2011
12:28:26 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Oct/0004.html
12:28:26 <shadi> chair: Shadi
12:28:26 <shadi> agenda+ Welcome
12:28:26 <shadi> agenda+ xUnit review
12:28:26 <shadi> agenda+ Open issues in EARL 1.0 Schema
12:28:27 <shadi> agenda+ Promote WG Notes to REC-Track?
12:28:29 <shadi> agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule 
12:29:18 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:29:18 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:29:18 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:29:20 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:29:29 <sinarmaya> sinarmaya has joined #er
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12:31:18 <Zakim> +??P8
12:32:22 <Zakim> +??P9
12:32:49 <philipA> Zakim, ??P8 is philipA
12:32:49 <Zakim> +philipA; got it
12:33:00 <shadi> zakim, ??p9 is samuel
12:33:00 <Zakim> +samuel; got it
12:33:05 <shadi> zakim, mute samuel
12:33:05 <Zakim> samuel should now be muted
12:33:18 <shadi> zakim, unmute samuel
12:33:18 <Zakim> samuel should no longer be muted
12:33:25 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
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12:33:32 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
12:33:43 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: philipA (20%), Christophe_Strobbe (9%)
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12:33:54 <Zakim> +??P12
12:34:02 <Zakim> + +30231125aaaa
12:34:31 <kostas> zakim, aaaa is kostas
12:34:31 <Zakim> +kostas; got it
12:34:41 <Zakim> +??P13
12:35:03 <shadi> zakim, ??p13 is CarlosV
12:35:03 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
12:35:19 <Zakim> -kostas
12:35:20 <shadi> zakim, ??p12 is sinarmaya
12:35:20 <Zakim> +sinarmaya; got it
12:35:30 <shadi> zakim, who is muted?
12:35:30 <Zakim> I see no one muted
12:35:56 <shadi> zakim, who is muted?
12:35:56 <Zakim> I see sinarmaya muted
12:36:42 <carlosV> carlosV has joined #er
12:36:51 <shadi> scribe: cstrobbe 
12:36:56 <shadi> agenda?
12:37:07 <Zakim> +kostas
12:37:15 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:37:15 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome" taken up [from shadi]
12:37:25 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues
12:37:31 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/guide-issues
12:37:45 <cstrobbe> SAZ: most issues closed last week; some still open
12:38:23 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Go through remaining issues and questions today.
12:38:35 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Hope to reach CR in November.
12:38:57 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:38:57 <Zakim> agendum 2. "xUnit review" taken up [from shadi]
12:39:07 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Oct/0002
12:40:21 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: xUnit format: used in unit test frameworks.
12:41:04 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: I don't see anything in it that we are not addressing; use cases are different.
12:42:05 <cstrobbe> SAZ: So you could export xUnit from EARL
12:42:15 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: If we find an official DTD.
12:42:33 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: could not find an official DTD.
12:42:45 <cstrobbe> SAZ: anyone leading xUnit?
12:43:10 <cstrobbe> Carlos: apparently not anyone responsible for the vocabuolary.
12:43:37 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: open-source project; see xUnit library
12:44:13 <shadi> http://xunit.codeplex.com/
12:44:20 <shadi> http://readthedocs.org/docs/nose/en/latest/plugins/xunit.html
12:44:46 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: Usage does not seem to be widespread.
12:45:17 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: Only 503 downloads...
12:45:46 <cstrobbe> SAZ: updated 2/3 times a year.
12:46:14 <shadi> http://xunit.codeplex.com/team/view
12:46:53 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Microsoft is also a project member.
12:47:32 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Summary:  If there were an official DTD we could probably convert EARL data to xUnit. ...
12:48:28 <cstrobbe> SAZ: ... Wondering whether getting in touch with Brad Wilson to point out that EARL exists and that EARL could be output as xUnit XML and ask whether an official DTD is available and/or they would be interested in creating a converter.
12:48:41 <cstrobbe> SAZ: ... No dependency on our side, so don't need to wait for it.
12:49:15 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: Writing an e-mail is OK.
12:51:18 <shadi> action: carlosv to contact xUnit lead developer to inform them about EARL and the possibility of converting EARL reports to XML format using corresponding DTDs
12:51:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - Contact xUnit lead developer to inform them about EARL and the possibility of converting EARL reports to XML format using corresponding DTDs [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2011-10-26].
12:51:36 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:51:36 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Open issues in EARL 1.0 Schema" taken up [from shadi]
12:51:46 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues
12:52:24 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Conformance section: later.
12:53:02 <cstrobbe> SAZ: open comment on "Use OWL constraints to express conformance requirements":
12:53:03 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues#overall
12:53:31 <shadi> "Use OWL constraints to express conformance requirements"
12:54:08 <cstrobbe> SAZ: previously also get that comment about our constraints.
12:54:27 <cstrobbe> SAZ: about using OWL instead of describing the constraints verbally.
12:54:47 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Benefits for us were not so clear.
12:55:03 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Any concrete suggestions?
12:56:50 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: in properties: use cardinality, .... but the whole conformance: not so sure.
12:57:22 <cstrobbe> SAZ: cf comment "Drop rdfs:Domain and rdfs:Range for OWL constraints to increase reusability of the terms"
12:57:38 <cstrobbe> SAZ: also recently raised by someone else (cf last week)
12:58:52 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011Sep/0000.html
12:59:58 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Using Domain and Range is best practice but we get these comments;
13:01:01 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Anyone interested in reading up on this? 
13:01:26 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Next open issue: "Consider use of profiles for conformance"
13:01:27 <shadi> "Consider use of profiles for conformance"
13:02:45 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Action item created for CarlosI to look at different specs that use profiles. In the mean time, anyone else has experience with this? Complexity vs good design?
13:03:36 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Next open issue: 'Use of prefix "dc" vs "dct"'
13:04:33 <cstrobbe> SAZ: First comment was correct.
13:04:34 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011Jun/0000.html
13:05:13 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Second comment: (cf last week) requires the opposite. DCMI folks now use dc for all terms.
13:05:57 <cstrobbe> Samuel: dct not only for the newer terms...
13:06:21 <cstrobbe> Samuel: Can have a deeper look.
13:07:01 <shadi> action: samuel to look into current best practice for using "dc" vs "dct" prefix for Dublin Core terms (elements, properties, etc)
13:07:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Look into current best practice for using "dc" vs "dct" prefix for Dublin Core terms (elements, properties, etc) [on Samuel Sirois - due 2011-10-26].
13:07:30 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues#mainAssertor
13:07:58 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2011/07/13-er-minutes.html
13:08:10 <cstrobbe> SAZ: mainAssertor allows for endless loops. Cf 23 July call.
13:08:30 <cstrobbe> zakim, mute me
13:08:30 <Zakim> sorry, cstrobbe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:09:01 <cstrobbe> zakim, I am Christophe_Strobbe
13:09:01 <Zakim> ok, cstrobbe, I now associate you with Christophe_Strobbe
13:09:07 <cstrobbe> zakim, mute me
13:09:07 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
13:09:52 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:09:52 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Promote WG Notes to REC-Track?" taken up [from shadi]
13:10:02 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0036
13:10:40 <cstrobbe> SAZ: particulary HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF would be candidates.
13:11:20 <cstrobbe> SAZ: They would then be more stable (authority, ...). But we would also need to put more effort into documenting implementation and the development of test suites for tool developers.
13:12:20 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: Would still like to go to REC.
13:12:38 <cstrobbe> CarlosV: Pointers: not all implemented.
13:13:11 <cstrobbe> zakim, unmute me
13:13:11 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
13:14:13 <cstrobbe> Kostas: EARL Schema implemented. No plans for other parts in near future. HTTP: also support HTTPS.
13:14:40 <cstrobbe> Kostas: HTTP headers are also recorded.
13:15:44 <cstrobbe> SAZ: If we go to REC track, we need firm commitment. Otherwise we get stuck in CR phase.
13:18:44 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/w3c-process.php
13:21:25 <cstrobbe> sinarmaya: In HERA not clear when implementation would happen.
13:22:36 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:22:36 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]
13:22:53 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/timeline#meeting
13:23:16 <cstrobbe> Next meeting 26 October. 
13:23:49 <cstrobbe> SAZ: 2 November meeting would coincide with TPAC in USA.
13:23:52 <kostas> 26 i will be in brussels for the mandate workshop and other meetings
13:24:47 <Zakim> -philipA
13:24:48 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:24:48 <Zakim> -kostas
13:24:48 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:24:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:24:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:24:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, philipA, samuel, Christophe_Strobbe, +30231125aaaa, kostas, CarlosV, sinarmaya
13:24:50 <sinarmaya> sinarmaya has left #er
13:24:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:24:50 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-er-actions.rdf :
13:24:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: carlosv to contact xUnit lead developer to inform them about EARL and the possibility of converting EARL reports to XML format using corresponding DTDs [1]
13:24:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-er-irc#T12-51-18
13:24:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: samuel to look into current best practice for using "dc" vs "dct" prefix for Dublin Core terms (elements, properties, etc) [2]
13:24:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-er-irc#T13-07-01
13:24:57 <Zakim> -samuel
13:24:58 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:24:59 <Zakim> -CarlosV