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<trackbot> Date: 18 October 2011

who is +49? Axel?

I can scribe until Sandro gets here

<scribe> scribenick: AndyS

Summary

Axel: review schedule and (re)charter
... seeking opinions on how to proceed

admin

<AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-10-04

Look good to me.

<AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-10-04

Next telecon - ISWC overlap.

<LeeF> I'm not at ISWC & am available next week

<MattPerry> I will be available

<cbuilara> I will be available

<bglimm> depends on internet availablility and schedule of ISWC

Axel: next meeting in one week

(someone pls scribe)

RDF Liaison

<AxelPolleres> andyS: f2f lastweek

<AxelPolleres> ... resolved plain literals issue, simple literals will be XSD strings, tagged literals will have a dedicated new datatype

<AxelPolleres> ... discussion about named graphs. there is no desire to unify the different uses but more discussion ongoing.

<AxelPolleres> ... last item is about lists and sequences. whether to deprecate them or not.

<AxelPolleres> ... concern about usage out there.

<AxelPolleres> ... RDF plans to push this to (a future?) SPARQL WG.

Publications

subtopic: Federated query

<swh> lots of noise

<chimezie> getting noise

Axel: status was changes in progress , Greg to review

<kasei> "Note that there are no evaluation semantics in the current document for the SPARQL pattern SERVICE VAR. Therefore, in the following table we present the intuitive solutions for this query with the data above:"

kasei: can accept what we have now (in the spirit of progressing publication)

Carlos: doc just suggests possible answers for SERVICE ?srv
... we do not give it normative semantics

kasei: suggest moving to beginning of section.
... otherwise current wording is acceptable

carlos: OK

Axel: ready for LC? or more reviews?

<AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-federated-query/

<AxelPolleres> ... modulo moving the said sentence to the beginning of section.

+1 to pubilsh fed as LC

<LeeF> If kasei is +1, then so am I

<MattPerry> +1

<kasei> +1

<LeeF> +1

<chimezie> +1

<AxelPolleres> +1

+1 ASF

<bglimm> 0 - Ulm (I haven't read the document)

<Olivier> +1

<cbuilara> +1

RESOLUTION: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-federated-query/ modulo moving the said sentence to the beginning of section. No Objections.

Axel: Carlos, please pub-smith the doc.
... we may publish in a group

<AxelPolleres> ACTION: carlos to check pubrules for fed query. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-sparql-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-542 - Check pubrules for fed query. [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-10-25].

Axel: of docs

subtopic: overview doc

<AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview

Axel: section ordering still "as is"

AndyS: No time to review this FPWD

<AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-overview/

<MattPerry> +1

+1 ASF

<AxelPolleres> +1

<cbuilara> +1

<Olivier> +1

<bglimm> +1 Ulm

<kasei> +1

<chimezie> +1

<LeeF> aye

<AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-overview/ .no objections, no abstentions.

subtopic: Protocol doc

LeeF: Not quite ready yet. Some progress (kasei, LeeF)

Axel: Timescale? Assign reviewers next week?

LeeF: can try, can't guarantee

Post LC

<AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall

subtopic: Query

<AxelPolleres> andy: these are things that need to be done... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Query

<AxelPolleres> main things are BIND and function changes.

<AxelPolleres> ... also the big red boxes.

<AxelPolleres> ... needs 2nd last call

<AxelPolleres> axel: timeframe to 2nd LC?

<AxelPolleres> ... aim at publication end of Nov?

<AxelPolleres> steve: plan to get any of my changes done by end of this month

<AxelPolleres> andy: won't have time before Nov.

<AxelPolleres> andy: main thing is clearing the comments list.

<AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

<LeeF> I'll take care of the rest of that one

<LeeF> from Andy

<LeeF> yes, I"m now the owner

reuse of prefixes (DB-9)

<AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Sep/0004.html

Axel: What about Turtle?

AndyS: Turtle does not allow this.
... it is now late in our process

Axel: Will draft response to DB

<AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to draft an answer to DB-9, stating that it is too late in the process for this change. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-sparql-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-543 - Draft an answer to DB-9, stating that it is too late in the process for this change. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-10-25].

<AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Sep/0000.html

<AxelPolleres> steve: think I drafted a response.

subtopic: Update

<AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update

DB-12

<AxelPolleres> DB-12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Sep/0008.html

<AxelPolleres> [[ If a graph is created implicitly by an update operation, then the behavior of the Graph Store MUST be functionally equivalent to its behavior if the graph had been created explicitly by a CREATE operation. ]]

Axel: David thinks we should add text about "CREATE GRAPH"
... problem is that doc says a graph store may remove empty graphs
... but not that it always does or does not
... so some may be dropped, and some may

AndyS: I think doc covers this via the formal semantics.

Axel: What should we proscribe?
... make a distinction between graph and non-graph aware graph stores?

<AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#def_clearOperation

<chimezie> does that effect operations involving data?

Axel: What should I as editor do?

<chimezie> Zakim unmute me

<AxelPolleres> Axel: will try to draft another response along the lines that yes in this case, that's a bug, but, since the spec doesn't prescribe when graphs are removed and when not, the suggested text wouldn't change anything.

bglimm: outstanding comment (only one reply)

<AxelPolleres> please reply/discuss by next time the open comment Birte is dealing with on D-entailment...

<bglimm> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0033.html

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