IRC log of rd on 2011-10-13

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logging to
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 7394
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 13 October 2011
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Chair: Harper_Simon
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Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
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Agenda+ Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure -
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Agenda+ Upcoming Focus
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Agenda+ Any Other Business
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zakim, save agenda
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ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
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rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
14:56:48 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate sharper
14:56:49 [shadi]
zakim, call shadi-617
14:56:49 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; the call is being made
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WAI_RDWG()11:00AM has now started
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14:57:00 [sharper]
present+ Harper_Simon
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regrets+ Yesilada_Yeliz
14:57:21 [Joshue108]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, Joshue108
14:57:27 [sharper]
regrets+ Brajnik_Giorgio
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14:57:51 [Joshue108]
zakim, ??P8 is Joshue
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+Joshue; got it
14:58:05 [sharper]
regrets+ Kouroupetroglou_Christos
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present+ O'Connor_Joshue
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present+ Abou-Zahra_Shadi
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate sharper
15:01:01 [Joshue108]
zakim, mute me
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Joshue should now be muted
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15:01:26 [sharper]
zakim, ??P31 is sharper
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+sharper; got it
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present+ Thiessen_Peter
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+ +1.361.279.aaaa
15:02:29 [Mate]
zakim, aaaa is me
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+Mate; got it
15:02:44 [peter]
(hello - sorry may be a bit late joining in, trying to release some software)
15:03:23 [shadi]
scribe: Mate
15:04:48 [Zakim]
15:05:35 [shadi]
zakim, ipcaller is vivienne
15:05:45 [Mate]
15:05:52 [Zakim]
+vivienne; got it
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zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:46 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Shadi, Joshue (muted), sharper, Mate, vivienne
15:08:42 [vconway]
markel sends his regrets
15:09:15 [vconway]
zakim, mute me
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sorry, vconway, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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zakim, vconway is vivienne
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sorry, vconway, I do not recognize a party named 'vconway'
15:10:25 [Joshue108]
thats fine with me
15:10:39 [shadi]
15:10:45 [Zakim]
+ +43.680.306.aabb
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thats it
15:11:11 [Joshue108]
Can we put that on the agenda for next week?
15:11:23 [shadi]
15:11:29 [Mario-Batusic]
zakim +43 is me
15:11:58 [vconway]
zakim, mute me
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sorry, vconway, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:12:28 [shadi]
ack me
15:12:46 [Mate]
zakim, vconway is vivienne
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sorry, Mate, I do not recognize a party named 'vconway'
15:12:57 [Mario-Batusic]
zakim, "">> is me!
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sorry, Mario-Batusic, I do not recognize a party named '"">>'
15:13:37 [Mario-Batusic]
zakim, "+43." is me!
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sorry, Mario-Batusic, I do not recognize a party named '"+43."'
15:14:26 [Mario-Batusic]
zakim, aabb is me!
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+me!; got it
15:14:31 [shadi]
zakim, vivienne is really vconway
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+vconway; got it
15:15:01 [shadi]
zakim, me! is really Mario-Batusic
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+Mario-Batusic; got it
15:15:59 [Mario-Batusic]
zakim, mute me
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Mario-Batusic should now be muted
15:16:15 [vconway]
zakim, mute me
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vconway should now be muted
15:17:53 [Mate]
sorry, I have some noise on my phone
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I can not hear you clearly
15:18:52 [Joshue108]
zakim,unmute me
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Joshue should no longer be muted
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scribe: Joshue
15:19:17 [shadi]
scribenick: Joshue108
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zakim, mute me
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Joshue should now be muted
15:19:53 [Joshue108]
SH: We can put this to be and the editors can discuss this.
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure - [from sharper]
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zakim, item 2
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I don't understand 'item 2', Joshue108
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15:20:09 [Joshue108]
zakim,unmute me
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Joshue should no longer be muted
15:20:21 [sharper]
zakim, take up item 2
15:20:21 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure -" taken up [from sharper]
15:20:28 [Joshue108]
zakim, who is making noise?
15:20:34 [sharper]
zakim, who is making noise?
15:20:35 [Zakim]
15:20:40 [Zakim]
Joshue108, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joshue (5%), sharper (28%), Shadi (19%)
15:20:42 [peter]
Sorry that background noise was me
15:20:49 [Joshue108]
zakim, mute me
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Joshue should now be muted
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sharper, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sharper (29%)
15:20:57 [peter]
Will try to find a better headset around the office
15:21:10 [peter]
oh right :)
15:21:31 [Joshue108]
SH: If we can resolve this now, that we are happy how the selection criteria are going. For now its done.
15:21:37 [Mate]
zakim, mute me
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Mate should now be muted
15:21:52 [Joshue108]
SAZ: Did editorial edits.
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zakim,unmute me
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Joshue should no longer be muted
15:22:43 [sharper]
RESOLVED: All happy with the selection criteria for now, can be opened up by editors later if they wish.
15:22:57 [Joshue108]
zakim,close item
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I don't understand 'close item', Joshue108
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zakim,close item 2
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agendum 2, Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure -, closed
15:23:01 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Upcoming Focus [from sharper]
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zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3. "Upcoming Focus" taken up [from sharper]
15:23:26 [Joshue108]
SH: We are at a point when we are waiting for papers etc
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zakim, mute me
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Joshue should now be muted
15:23:47 [Joshue108]
SH: SO to be productive, what do we want to do next?
15:24:04 [Joshue108]
SH: Should we look at new topics, notes etc after this one?
15:24:17 [Mario-Batusic]
15:24:23 [Joshue108]
SH: I am open to suggestions, please share thoughts, have we missed anything etc?
15:24:50 [Joshue108]
SH: Shadi, do we need any more discussion?
15:24:59 [Joshue108]
SH: Can we link the issue tracker to the calendar?
15:25:05 [Joshue108]
SAZ: Am still looking at that.
15:25:20 [Joshue108]
SH: I can't think of much more we need to do until we get papers.
15:25:38 [Joshue108]
SH: Any one else with ideas for topics etc?
15:25:43 [vconway]
I think we should leave this until papers come in and would love to look at new topics
15:25:59 [shadi]
15:26:15 [Joshue108]
SAZ: We can start looking ahead, the eval method TF was attempted to look at existing methods etc.
15:26:32 [Joshue108]
SAZ: I am wondering where to collect this info, in the wiki or seperate?
15:26:38 [Joshue108]
SAZ: Thoughts?
15:26:47 [Joshue108]
SH: I have been thinkin about this.
15:27:21 [Joshue108]
SH: We have the benchmarking metrics, and the eval tools. Could this be spread out to web a11y in general?
15:27:22 [vconway]
15:27:36 [Mario-Batusic]
Do you mean for the next simposium?
15:27:38 [Joshue108]
SH: This should be a part of the wiki, but we may want to combine topics.
15:28:22 [vconway]
ack me
15:28:23 [Joshue108]
SAZ: Thats fine, the eval WG will be looking at it. It may be good to keep that in the R&D space
15:28:25 [sharper]
ack v
15:29:02 [vconway]
zakim, mute me
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vconway should now be muted
15:29:04 [Joshue108]
VC: Besides the current topics, there are others such as accreditation methods and look at where the paths cross and can work together.
15:29:06 [Joshue108]
SH: Good idea
15:29:33 [Joshue108]
SAZ: I'll start a page on the wiki, to collect existing Web site eval methods and allow other WG to browse parts etc.
15:29:46 [Joshue108]
SH: Cross pollination!
15:29:48 [sharper]
15:30:05 [vconway]
Is this related to the LinkedIn group?
15:30:16 [Joshue108]
SH: Discssion on new WG, CSS Access group. There may be things here that are of interest to us.
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SH: Any other ideas?
15:31:04 [Joshue108]
zakim, unmute me
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Joshue should no longer be muted
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15:31:10 [shadi]
15:31:11 [vconway]
I'm particularly interested in accreditation methods
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ack me
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15:31:51 [shadi]
JOC: discussion about user testing evaluation
15:32:14 [shadi]
...exploration of user testing methodology may be interesting
15:32:29 [shadi]
...don't want to use the term "metrics" too restrictively
15:32:42 [vconway]
I'd love to look at the user testing issue as well
15:32:55 [vconway]
Its on the Wiki page
15:33:05 [sharper]
15:34:50 [Zakim]
15:35:09 [Joshue108]
SH: Any other ideas?
15:35:10 [shadi]
ack me
15:35:19 [Joshue108]
zakim, mute me
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Joshue should now be muted
15:35:56 [shadi]
15:36:27 [Joshue108]
SAZ: Regarding the CSS group, the structural stuff will be interesting, there were talks about Microformats etc - there are the technical aspects, and also the community groups and the business groups to get people together to make suggestions etc
15:37:06 [Joshue108]
SAZ: When we are writing our notes etc this is something to consider to get groups to talk together
15:37:50 [Joshue108]
SAZ: SteveF etc are trying to use this as way of talking and prestandardize something.
15:37:58 [Joshue108]
SAZ: I want to raise awareness
15:38:14 [Peter]
Zakim, ??P58 is me
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+Peter; got it
15:38:22 [Peter]
Zakim, mute me
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Peter should now be muted
15:38:39 [Joshue108]
SH: Please feel free to populate the wiki, there is also Digital TV which would be interesting
15:38:46 [Joshue108]
JOC: +1 to Digital TV
15:38:58 [Joshue108]
SAZ: I see you added the multitouch stuff.
15:39:28 [Joshue108]
SH: The UAAG wg thought this was interesting stuff to look at.
15:39:46 [Joshue108]
SH: Ok, we are done with this topic for this week.
15:40:11 [Mario-Batusic]
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zakim, unmute me
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Joshue should no longer be muted
15:40:20 [Mario-Batusic]
zakim, ack me
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ack ma
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unmuting Mario-Batusic
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I see no one on the speaker queue
15:40:40 [shadi]
scribe: shadi
15:40:46 [Peter]
15:40:46 [Joshue108]
zakim, mute me
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Joshue should now be muted
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15:41:19 [shadi]
MB: would be got to develop more materials about WAI-ARIA
15:41:35 [shadi]
...very important as many applications are developed in this area
15:41:37 [shadi]
15:42:05 [shadi] which extent browsers and assistive tools support particular aspects
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ack me
15:42:33 [Peter]
(no worries :)
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15:44:05 [Peter]
Zakim, unmute me
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Peter should no longer be muted
15:44:06 [sharper]
ack p
15:44:10 [shadi]
SAZ: WAI is working on an accessibility support database
15:44:35 [shadi]
...but there are tons of challenges related to web applications and accessibility
15:45:08 [sharper]
15:45:08 [Peter]
Zakim, mute me
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Peter should now be muted
15:45:11 [Peter]
15:45:11 [shadi]
Peter: what is the level of detail we want on the wiki
15:45:33 [shadi]
...also agree it would be good to have more information on accessibility support
15:45:36 [Mario-Batusic]
zakim, mute me
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Mario-Batusic should now be muted
15:45:51 [Peter]
ok, sounds good!
15:45:53 [shadi]
Simon: doesn't need too much detail but should be decriptive
15:46:11 [shadi]
...does not need to be fully though out or developed but explanatory
15:46:21 [shadi]
...can add more sub-pages with more detail
15:46:55 [shadi] not think we should hesitate to have the accessibility support stuff on the wiki
15:47:10 [shadi]
...should not discount but keep ideas there
15:47:30 [shadi]
...may also help advertise exisiting work where available
15:47:51 [shadi]
...researchers may stumble over it and find something deployable
15:48:02 [Peter]
great - thanks - will do :)
15:48:56 [shadi]
...some overalp is good, shows relevance
15:49:13 [Mario-Batusic]
I agree
15:50:30 [Mario-Batusic]
I understand this wiki as a kind of database for research ideas for all people
15:50:33 [vconway]
no, all sounds good
15:50:56 [shadi]
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, Joshue, sharper, +1.361.279.aaaa, Mate, +43.680.306.aabb, vconway, Mario-Batusic, Peter
15:50:57 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
15:50:58 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items
15:50:58 [vconway]
bye now
15:51:01 [Peter]