IRC log of rd on 2011-10-13
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- Zakim, this will be 7394
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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- Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 13 October 2011
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- Chair: Harper_Simon
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- Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
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- Agenda+ Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Selection_Criteria
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- Agenda+ Upcoming Focus
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- Agenda+ Any Other Business
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- zakim, save agenda
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- ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-rd-agenda.rdf
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-rd-minutes.html sharper
- 14:56:49 [shadi]
- zakim, call shadi-617
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- ok, shadi; the call is being made
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- WAI_RDWG()11:00AM has now started
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- +Shadi
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- present+ Harper_Simon
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- regrets+ Yesilada_Yeliz
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Joshue108
- 14:57:27 [sharper]
- regrets+ Brajnik_Giorgio
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- +??P8
- 14:57:51 [Joshue108]
- zakim, ??P8 is Joshue
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- +Joshue; got it
- 14:58:05 [sharper]
- regrets+ Kouroupetroglou_Christos
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- present+ O'Connor_Joshue
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- present+ Abou-Zahra_Shadi
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-rd-minutes.html sharper
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- zakim, mute me
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- Joshue should now be muted
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- +??P31
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- zakim, ??P31 is sharper
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- +sharper; got it
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- 15:01:52 [Mario-Batusic]
- Mario-Batusic has joined #rd
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- present+ Thiessen_Peter
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- + +1.361.279.aaaa
- 15:02:29 [Mate]
- zakim, aaaa is me
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- +Mate; got it
- 15:02:44 [peter]
- (hello - sorry may be a bit late joining in, trying to release some software)
- 15:03:23 [shadi]
- scribe: Mate
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, ipcaller is vivienne
- 15:05:45 [Mate]
- thx
- 15:05:52 [Zakim]
- +vivienne; got it
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Shadi, Joshue (muted), sharper, Mate, vivienne
- 15:08:42 [vconway]
- markel sends his regrets
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- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, vconway, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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- zakim, vconway is vivienne
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- sorry, vconway, I do not recognize a party named 'vconway'
- 15:10:25 [Joshue108]
- thats fine with me
- 15:10:39 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Selection_Criteria
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- + +43.680.306.aabb
- 15:10:46 [Joshue108]
- thats it
- 15:11:11 [Joshue108]
- Can we put that on the agenda for next week?
- 15:11:23 [shadi]
- q+
- 15:11:29 [Mario-Batusic]
- zakim +43 is me
- 15:11:58 [vconway]
- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, vconway, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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- ack me
- 15:12:46 [Mate]
- zakim, vconway is vivienne
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- sorry, Mate, I do not recognize a party named 'vconway'
- 15:12:57 [Mario-Batusic]
- zakim, "">> is me!
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- sorry, Mario-Batusic, I do not recognize a party named '"">>'
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- zakim, "+43." is me!
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- sorry, Mario-Batusic, I do not recognize a party named '"+43."'
- 15:14:26 [Mario-Batusic]
- zakim, aabb is me!
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- +me!; got it
- 15:14:31 [shadi]
- zakim, vivienne is really vconway
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- +vconway; got it
- 15:15:01 [shadi]
- zakim, me! is really Mario-Batusic
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- +Mario-Batusic; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- Mario-Batusic should now be muted
- 15:16:15 [vconway]
- zakim, mute me
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- vconway should now be muted
- 15:17:53 [Mate]
- sorry, I have some noise on my phone
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- I can not hear you clearly
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- zakim,unmute me
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- Joshue should no longer be muted
- 15:19:00 [Joshue108]
- scribe: Joshue
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- scribenick: Joshue108
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- zakim, mute me
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- Joshue should now be muted
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- SH: We can put this to be and the editors can discuss this.
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- zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
- 15:19:59 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Selection_Criteria [from sharper]
- 15:20:03 [Joshue108]
- zakim, item 2
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- I don't understand 'item 2', Joshue108
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- +??P37
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- zakim,unmute me
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- Joshue should no longer be muted
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Selection_Criteria" taken up [from sharper]
- 15:20:28 [Joshue108]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 15:20:34 [sharper]
- zakim, who is making noise?
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- -??P37
- 15:20:40 [Zakim]
- Joshue108, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joshue (5%), sharper (28%), Shadi (19%)
- 15:20:42 [peter]
- Sorry that background noise was me
- 15:20:49 [Joshue108]
- zakim, mute me
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- Joshue should now be muted
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- sharper, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sharper (29%)
- 15:20:57 [peter]
- Will try to find a better headset around the office
- 15:21:10 [peter]
- oh right :)
- 15:21:31 [Joshue108]
- SH: If we can resolve this now, that we are happy how the selection criteria are going. For now its done.
- 15:21:37 [Mate]
- zakim, mute me
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- Mate should now be muted
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- SAZ: Did editorial edits.
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- zakim,unmute me
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- Joshue should no longer be muted
- 15:22:43 [sharper]
- RESOLVED: All happy with the selection criteria for now, can be opened up by editors later if they wish.
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- zakim,close item
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- I don't understand 'close item', Joshue108
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- zakim,close item 2
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- agendum 2, Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Selection_Criteria, closed
- 15:23:01 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Upcoming Focus [from sharper]
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3. "Upcoming Focus" taken up [from sharper]
- 15:23:26 [Joshue108]
- SH: We are at a point when we are waiting for papers etc
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- zakim, mute me
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- Joshue should now be muted
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- SH: SO to be productive, what do we want to do next?
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- SH: Should we look at new topics, notes etc after this one?
- 15:24:17 [Mario-Batusic]
- No.
- 15:24:23 [Joshue108]
- SH: I am open to suggestions, please share thoughts, have we missed anything etc?
- 15:24:50 [Joshue108]
- SH: Shadi, do we need any more discussion?
- 15:24:59 [Joshue108]
- SH: Can we link the issue tracker to the calendar?
- 15:25:05 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: Am still looking at that.
- 15:25:20 [Joshue108]
- SH: I can't think of much more we need to do until we get papers.
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- SH: Any one else with ideas for topics etc?
- 15:25:43 [vconway]
- I think we should leave this until papers come in and would love to look at new topics
- 15:25:59 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/eval-tf
- 15:26:15 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: We can start looking ahead, the eval method TF was attempted to look at existing methods etc.
- 15:26:32 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: I am wondering where to collect this info, in the wiki or seperate?
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- SAZ: Thoughts?
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- SH: I have been thinkin about this.
- 15:27:21 [Joshue108]
- SH: We have the benchmarking metrics, and the eval tools. Could this be spread out to web a11y in general?
- 15:27:22 [vconway]
- q+
- 15:27:36 [Mario-Batusic]
- Do you mean for the next simposium?
- 15:27:38 [Joshue108]
- SH: This should be a part of the wiki, but we may want to combine topics.
- 15:28:22 [vconway]
- ack me
- 15:28:23 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: Thats fine, the eval WG will be looking at it. It may be good to keep that in the R&D space
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- ack v
- 15:29:02 [vconway]
- zakim, mute me
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- vconway should now be muted
- 15:29:04 [Joshue108]
- VC: Besides the current topics, there are others such as accreditation methods and look at where the paths cross and can work together.
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- SH: Good idea
- 15:29:33 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: I'll start a page on the wiki, to collect existing Web site eval methods and allow other WG to browse parts etc.
- 15:29:46 [Joshue108]
- SH: Cross pollination!
- 15:29:48 [sharper]
- http://www.w3.org/community/cssacc/
- 15:30:05 [vconway]
- Is this related to the LinkedIn group?
- 15:30:16 [Joshue108]
- SH: Discssion on new WG, CSS Access group. There may be things here that are of interest to us.
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- SH: Any other ideas?
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Joshue should no longer be muted
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- +q
- 15:31:10 [shadi]
- q+
- 15:31:11 [vconway]
- I'm particularly interested in accreditation methods
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- ack me
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- JOC: discussion about user testing evaluation
- 15:32:14 [shadi]
- ...exploration of user testing methodology may be interesting
- 15:32:29 [shadi]
- ...don't want to use the term "metrics" too restrictively
- 15:32:42 [vconway]
- I'd love to look at the user testing issue as well
- 15:32:55 [vconway]
- Its on the Wiki page
- 15:33:05 [sharper]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/User_Evaluation_Methods_for_Web_Accessibility_Evaluation
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- +??P58
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- SH: Any other ideas?
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- ack me
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- zakim, mute me
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- Joshue should now be muted
- 15:35:56 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/community/
- 15:36:27 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: Regarding the CSS group, the structural stuff will be interesting, there were talks about Microformats etc - there are the technical aspects, and also the community groups and the business groups to get people together to make suggestions etc
- 15:37:06 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: When we are writing our notes etc this is something to consider to get groups to talk together
- 15:37:50 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: SteveF etc are trying to use this as way of talking and prestandardize something.
- 15:37:58 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: I want to raise awareness
- 15:38:14 [Peter]
- Zakim, ??P58 is me
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- +Peter; got it
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- Zakim, mute me
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- Peter should now be muted
- 15:38:39 [Joshue108]
- SH: Please feel free to populate the wiki, there is also Digital TV which would be interesting
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- JOC: +1 to Digital TV
- 15:38:58 [Joshue108]
- SAZ: I see you added the multitouch stuff.
- 15:39:28 [Joshue108]
- SH: The UAAG wg thought this was interesting stuff to look at.
- 15:39:46 [Joshue108]
- SH: Ok, we are done with this topic for this week.
- 15:40:11 [Mario-Batusic]
- q+
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- SH: AOB
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Joshue should no longer be muted
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- zakim, ack me
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- ack ma
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- unmuting Mario-Batusic
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- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 15:40:40 [shadi]
- scribe: shadi
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- q+
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- zakim, mute me
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- Joshue should now be muted
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- bye
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- -Joshue
- 15:41:19 [shadi]
- MB: would be got to develop more materials about WAI-ARIA
- 15:41:35 [shadi]
- ...very important as many applications are developed in this area
- 15:41:37 [shadi]
- q+
- 15:42:05 [shadi]
- ...to which extent browsers and assistive tools support particular aspects
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- ack me
- 15:42:33 [Peter]
- (no worries :)
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- Joshue has joined #rd
- 15:44:05 [Peter]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- Peter should no longer be muted
- 15:44:06 [sharper]
- ack p
- 15:44:10 [shadi]
- SAZ: WAI is working on an accessibility support database
- 15:44:35 [shadi]
- ...but there are tons of challenges related to web applications and accessibility
- 15:45:08 [sharper]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Touch_Interfaces
- 15:45:08 [Peter]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Peter should now be muted
- 15:45:11 [Peter]
- q-
- 15:45:11 [shadi]
- Peter: what is the level of detail we want on the wiki
- 15:45:33 [shadi]
- ...also agree it would be good to have more information on accessibility support
- 15:45:36 [Mario-Batusic]
- zakim, mute me
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- Mario-Batusic should now be muted
- 15:45:51 [Peter]
- ok, sounds good!
- 15:45:53 [shadi]
- Simon: doesn't need too much detail but should be decriptive
- 15:46:11 [shadi]
- ...does not need to be fully though out or developed but explanatory
- 15:46:21 [shadi]
- ...can add more sub-pages with more detail
- 15:46:55 [shadi]
- ...do not think we should hesitate to have the accessibility support stuff on the wiki
- 15:47:10 [shadi]
- ...should not discount but keep ideas there
- 15:47:30 [shadi]
- ...may also help advertise exisiting work where available
- 15:47:51 [shadi]
- ...researchers may stumble over it and find something deployable
- 15:48:02 [Peter]
- great - thanks - will do :)
- 15:48:56 [shadi]
- ...some overalp is good, shows relevance
- 15:49:13 [Mario-Batusic]
- I agree
- 15:50:30 [Mario-Batusic]
- I understand this wiki as a kind of database for research ideas for all people
- 15:50:33 [vconway]
- no, all sounds good
- 15:50:56 [shadi]
- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, Joshue, sharper, +1.361.279.aaaa, Mate, +43.680.306.aabb, vconway, Mario-Batusic, Peter
- 15:50:57 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 15:50:57 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-rd-minutes.html trackbot
- 15:50:58 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 15:50:58 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items
- 15:50:58 [vconway]
- bye now
- 15:51:01 [Peter]
- cheers