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16:01:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
16:01:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:01:01 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:01:01 <trackbot> Date: 13 October 2011
16:01:02 <Zakim> +Plh
16:01:13 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:01:13 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:01:14 <Zakim> +Mike
16:01:18 <Julian> zakim, who is on the call?
16:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see hober, Julian, [Microsoft], Plh, Mike (muted)
16:01:26 <Julian> zakim, mute me
16:01:27 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:01:30 <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
16:01:48 <Zakim> +adrianba
16:02:09 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:02:09 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:02:11 <Zakim> +Mike.a
16:02:29 <plh> zakim, drop Mike
16:02:29 <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
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16:02:38 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:02:38 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
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16:02:49 <Judy> zakim, code?
16:02:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Judy
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16:03:13 <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aaaa
16:03:26 <Zakim> +??P16
16:03:46 <paulc> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, October 13
16:03:46 <mjs_> Zakim, +1.415.595.aaaa is me
16:03:46 <Zakim> +mjs_; got it
16:03:48 <janina> zakim, ??P16 is Janina
16:03:48 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
16:04:06 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:04:30 <paulc> scribenic: paulc
16:04:34 <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.a is me
16:04:34 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
16:04:36 <paulc> No action items
16:04:47 <paulc> Topic: New Issues This Week:
16:04:52 <paulc> No new issues this week.
16:05:01 <mjs_> scribenick: paulc
16:05:11 <adrianba> Regrets+ Eliot_Graff
16:05:17 <paulc> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
16:05:25 <paulc> ISSUE-170?
16:05:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- make URIs valid link relations -- raised
16:05:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/170
16:05:27 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-170: make URIs valid link relations - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:06:01 <paulc> We received two change proposals for this issue.  Proceeding to Call for Counter Proposals.
16:06:05 <paulc> ISSUE-171?
16:06:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-171 -- URI-s generated for microdata attribute values -- closed
16:06:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/171
16:06:07 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-171: URI-s generated for microdata attribute values - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:06:15 <Julian> q+
16:06:18 <paulc> We did not receive any ontime change proposals.
16:06:23 <Julian> zakim, unmute me
16:06:23 <Zakim> Julian should no longer be muted
16:06:28 <paulc> 171 was closed without prejudice.
16:06:59 <Julian> zakim, mute me
16:06:59 <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
16:07:03 <paulc> Julian: html-data TF is looking into this area.
16:07:17 <paulc> mjs: TF call re-open with a change proposal.
16:07:24 <paulc> ISSUE-173?
16:07:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-173 -- Split AppCache out -- raised
16:07:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/173
16:07:25 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-173: Split AppCache out - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:07 <paulc> We received a late and incomplete CP so the chairs are discussing this and will likely close without prejudice.
16:08:15 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10784] change summary from an attribute to an element <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0444.html> 4** [Bug 14451] New: //Arrays for each submenu var JButton_oBg = new Array(); var JButton_oMenu = new Array(); //Default browsercheck, added to all scripts! function JButton_checkBrowser(){ this.ver=navigator.appVersion; this.dom=document.getElementById?1:0; this.ie5=(this.ve <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/P
16:08:24 <paulc> This will permit the ISSUE to be reopened when a well=formed CP is available.
16:08:34 <paulc> TOPIC: Items closing this week
16:08:48 <paulc> ISSUE-175?
16:08:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-175 -- Normative Reference to Work Attributed Solely to Pseudonymous Author -- raised
16:08:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/175
16:08:55 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-175: Normative Reference to Work Attributed Solely to Pseudonymous Author - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:36 <paulc> 175 call closes tomorrow.
16:09:43 <paulc> TOPIC: Items closing next week
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16:09:49 <paulc> ISSUE-174?
16:09:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- raised
16:09:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
16:09:50 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:10 <paulc> CPs are due Oct 21
16:10:16 <paulc> ISSUE-176?
16:10:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-176 -- Revert the edit that removed the Editing API -- raised
16:10:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/176
16:10:17 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-176: Revert the edit that removed the Editing API - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:24 <paulc> CPs are due Oct 21
16:10:36 <paulc> TOPIC: New calls this week
16:10:49 <paulc> ISSUE-170?
16:10:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- make URIs valid link relations -- raised
16:10:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/170
16:10:50 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-170: make URIs valid link relations - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:08 <paulc> We now have a call for alternate proposals that closes Nov 12.
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16:11:35 <paulc> Topics: New surveys this week
16:11:44 <paulc> No new surveys
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16:11:55 <paulc> Topic: Decisions this week
16:12:00 <paulc> No decisions this week
16:12:10 <paulc> Topic: Task force reports - testing TF
16:12:15 <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Oct/0003.html
16:12:16 <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 10/4/2011 from Kris Krueger on 2011-10-13 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from October 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:12:41 <paulc> Several bugs opened but waiting for spec updates.
16:12:53 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:12:58 <paulc> Talking about moving testing items into W3C
16:13:12 <krisk> IRC log had more details http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-htmlt-irc
16:13:27 <paulc> TF is starting a review period that ends Nov 15
16:13:37 <paulc> TF meets again next week
16:14:02 <krisk> Correctionn -> Test Review Period from Oct 15th -> December 15th
16:14:04 <paulc> TOPIC:  Task force reports - A11Y TF
16:15:31 <paulc> ISSUE-131?
16:15:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- closed
16:15:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
16:15:32 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:55 <richardschwerdtfe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Oct/0034.html
16:15:56 <pimpbot> Title: Re: Issue 131 from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-10-06 (public-html-a11y@w3.org from October 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:15:57 <paulc> Rich: Maciej are you happy with the CP.
16:16:24 <paulc> Maciej:  I will add reviewing the CP to my to do list.  But of course you can re-submit any improved CP at any time.
16:17:09 <paulc> Maciej:  Chairs are reviewing all CPs before going to survey and I will be glad to review the revised CP for 131 in advance of its submission.
16:17:25 <paulc> Rich:  I will also send a request to reopen ISSUE-131
16:17:45 <Judy> q+
16:17:50 <Julian> q-
16:17:59 <paulc> Janina: Can we get clarification on the status of the revert requests?
16:18:34 <paulc> Janina:  We understand that the Formal objection has been recorded.
16:19:09 <paulc> Janina:  Have the reverts been made?
16:19:34 <paulc> Maciej:  The two reverts have indeed been made.  The Chairs are discussing this and are double checking this.
16:20:17 <paulc> Judy:  John F posted a response to Jonas's CP.
16:20:53 <paulc> Judy: The A11Y TF has asked last week in their meeting if it is sufficient to simply post the response to Jonas's CP.
16:21:21 <paulc> Judy:  Paul suggested that posting was good enough and then Maciej asked if the response should be folded into a CP.
16:21:29 <paulc> Judy:  What do the Chairs recommend?
16:21:47 <paulc> Maciej:  Options depend on your goals.
16:22:47 <paulc> Maciej:  Posting might be sufficient to get to Jonas but if you want to ENSURE that it part of a subsequent survey then you might choose to put the information in a revised CP or you could reference it in a survey comment
16:23:18 <paulc> Maciej:  Would incorporation of the response by reference in Laura's CP be good enough?
16:23:26 <paulc> s/Maciej/Judy/
16:23:40 <paulc> Maciej:  Yes incorporating by reference is a reasonable approach.
16:24:20 <paulc> Judy:  We then have achieved the first goal of informing Jonas 
16:24:33 <paulc> Judy:  The TF is also preparing a response to Matt's CP
16:25:21 <paulc> Judy:  Once this 2nd response to Matt's CP is ready then the TF would be ready to move forward with a survey on the issue
16:26:23 <paulc> Paul:  What is the TF planning to do with the two responses to Jonas and Matt's CPs?
16:26:52 <paulc> Judy:  The TF would likely add by reference the information about the responses to Jonas and Matt's CPS.
16:27:16 <paulc> Judy:  When all of these are done then the TF will inform the Chairs via email that they are ready to survey the issue.
16:27:18 <MikeSmith> q?
16:27:33 <Judy> ack j
16:28:05 <paulc> Janina:  The TF bug triage is continuing and is largely done.
16:28:16 <paulc> Janina:  That ends the TF report
16:28:21 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:28:24 <Zakim> -Judy
16:28:29 <paulc> Topic: Any other business
16:28:41 <paulc> Maciej:  Any other business?
16:28:42 <paulc> None
16:28:58 <paulc> Topic: Scribe for the next meeting?
16:29:12 <paulc> Ted volunteered to scribe for the next meeting.
16:29:18 <paulc> Sam will be chairing next week.
16:29:24 <paulc> Topic: Adjournment
16:29:26 <Zakim> -Julian
16:29:28 <Zakim> -Plh
16:29:29 <Zakim> -hober
16:29:30 <Zakim> -Janina
16:29:31 <Zakim> -mjs_
16:29:31 <Zakim> -adrianba
16:29:33 <Zakim> -Mike.a
16:29:33 <Zakim> -krisk
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16:29:39 <paulc> The meeting adjourned at :29 after the hour.
16:29:49 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:29:51 <paulc> rssagent, make minutes
16:30:04 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:30:06 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:30:07 <Zakim> Attendees were hober, Julian, Cynthia_Shelly, Plh, Mike, adrianba, Mike.a, paulc, Judy, mjs_, Janina, [Microsoft], krisk, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:30:37 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:30:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
16:30:43 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
16:30:46 <paulc> thanks ade
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17:10:08 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14444] Microdata: document.getItems() inconsistent with document.getElementsByClassName() <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0445.html> 4** [Bug 14444] Microdata: document.getItems() inconsistent with document.getElementsByClassName() <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0446.html>
17:30:17 <pimpbot> changes: microdata; hixie: Consistency between getItems() and getElementsByClassName() (whatwg r6680) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0075.html>
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18:52:26 <pimpbot> planet: Matthew Gertner: Firefox: Product or Platform? <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/justdiscourse/browsing/~3/z52IkDo922o/> 4** Ben Moskowitz: Living in the Future: Notes on Mozilla’s Next Big Innovation Challenge <11http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=349>
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19:14:39 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14455] New: When tapping within a contenteditable, mobile browsers display a VKB that hogs the screen. But what if users don't want to enter any new text? They might instead make a selection, copy it, drag to move it, format it, or paste in something else. Ideally <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0448.html>
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19:46:18 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12596] <video> Explicitly state that preload=none fires a suspend event <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0452.html> 4** [Bug 12544] <video> MEDIA CONTROLLER requires track kind for in-band tracks <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0451.html> 4** [Bug 12964] <video>: Declarative linking of full-text transcripts to video and audio elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archive
19:52:45 <pimpbot> planet: JoeStagner: The view from the Mozilla San Francisco Office <11http://www.misfitgeek.com/2011/10/mozilla-sf-view/>
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20:16:27 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12399] <video> Expose statistics for media elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0456.html> 4** [Bug 13358] <video> also fire a 'change' event at VideoTrackList, AudioTrackList, and TextTrackList objects when their list of tracks changes <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0455.html> 4** [Bug 14422] video element - disable video <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Publ
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23:21:13 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14427] Investigate if click()'s click-in-progress should apply to user and/or script initiated clicks <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0459.html>
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