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14:59:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:59:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
14:59:29 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:59:29 <trackbot> Date: 13 October 2011
15:00:16 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:00:16 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:00:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
15:00:43 <janina> zakim, this will be 2119
15:00:50 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start now
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15:01:06 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
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15:01:14 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:01:31 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:01:42 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:01:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
15:02:18 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:02:24 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
15:02:27 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
15:02:35 <Zakim> ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM already started
15:02:51 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:03:05 <Zakim> +??P51
15:03:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P16, Mike, [Microsoft], ??P51
15:03:17 <richardschwerdtfe> zakim, ??P51 is Rich
15:03:21 <janina> zakim, ??P51 is Janina
15:03:22 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:03:30 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:03:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
15:03:47 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
15:03:53 <Zakim> I already had ??P51 as Rich, janina
15:03:59 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:04:17 <Zakim> +Judy
15:04:22 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
15:04:22 <janina> agenda+ Paul to explain escalation options for two current P1 a11y bugs
15:04:22 <janina> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage
15:04:22 <janina> agenda+ review bugzilla a11y-tf "needs info" bugs
15:04:22 <janina> agenda+ review other bugzilla a11y-tf bugs
15:04:23 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:04:25 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for 06 October
15:04:52 <paulc> P1 bugs: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&component=LC1+HTML%2BRDFa+%28editor%3A+Manu+Sporny%29&component=LC1+HTML%2FXHTML+Compat.+Authoring+Guide+%28ed%3A+Eliot+Graff%29&component=LC1+HTML+Canvas+2D+Context+%28editor%3A+Ian+Hickson%29&component=LC1+HTML+Microdata+%28editor%3A+Ian+Hickson%29&component=LC1+HTML5+spec+%28editor%3A+Ian+Hickson%29&component=LC1+alt+techniques+%28editor%3A+Steven+Fau
15:05:08 <paulc> I am testing whether the long URL actually works.
15:05:15 <janina>  scribe: janina
15:05:24 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
15:05:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Paul to explain escalation options for two current P1 a11y bugs" taken up [from janina]
15:07:15 <janina> paulc: Relates to WG Action-204
15:07:18 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/204?changelog
15:07:48 <janina> paulc: Sam got no response
15:08:06 <janina> paulc: Chairs have no consensus on escalation
15:08:25 <janina> paulc: However, bug originator has that authority -- to escalate
15:08:57 <janina> paulc: So, if disatisfied, originator can escalate to an issue
15:09:22 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13181
15:09:27 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13176
15:09:43 <Zakim> -Judy
15:09:44 <Zakim> +Judy
15:09:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:10:20 <Zakim> +??P12
15:10:21 <Zakim> -Mike
15:10:22 <janina> paulc: Want to be clear I'm not telling anyone to do this, just laying out the option
15:10:31 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:10:31 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:10:32 <Zakim> +Mike
15:10:59 <janina> judy: A bit confused here ...
15:11:03 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:11:03 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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15:11:05 <Zakim> +Mike.a
15:11:25 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:12:07 <Zakim> -Mike.a
15:12:25 <paulc> Description P1 bugs and their processing: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jun/0315.html
15:14:01 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
15:14:01 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:14:02 <Zakim> +Mike
15:14:08 <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
15:14:08 <Zakim> 'Mike' is ambiguous, MikeSmith
15:14:09 <Zakim> -Mike
15:14:16 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:14:16 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:14:18 <Zakim> +Mike
15:15:20 <Zakim> + +1.617.615.aaaa
15:15:31 <janina> janina: The problem for us is the desire to try and resolve how to move forward without getting into the world of cp's and counter-cp's, and surveys simply because the editor isn't responding
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15:16:16 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
15:16:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P16, Mike, [Microsoft], Rich, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Judy, [IPcaller], Michael_Cooper, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.617.615.aaaa
15:16:17 <janina> paulc: adding the tracker request means the bugs will likely be issues within a day or so
15:16:18 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:16:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Judy, Stevef, paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
15:16:31 <janina> paulc: at that point the time clock on cp's etc starts
15:16:55 <janina> paulc: else, if we leave this to dec 31, which is the editor's deadline,
15:17:22 <janina> rich: we're also waiting on maciej response on draw focus ring, as he's asked for changes
15:17:43 <Zakim> - +1.617.615.aaaa
15:17:53 <Zakim> -Mike
15:17:54 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
15:17:54 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:17:55 <janina> rich: Maciej asked we split this out, our question is 'does it look OK'
15:17:56 <Zakim> +Mike.a
15:18:06 <janina> paulc: On that, I have no more I can add
15:19:11 <janina> rich: feel like we're squeezed in part because we're waiting a month for a response from one of the chairs
15:20:26 <MikeSmith> q?
15:21:44 <janina> janina: Think there are two things here getting tangled
15:21:55 <Judy> agenda?
15:21:58 <janina> paulc: One is the process of bug handling then escalating
15:22:00 <Judy> q+
15:22:17 <MikeSmith> q?
15:22:24 <MikeSmith> ack Judy 
15:22:36 <janina> janina: Second is the attemtp to respond to Maciej's suggestion. Have we satisfied his suggestion? We're unclear and have no response on that
15:22:57 <janina> judy: Wondering if we need to revisit coordination
15:23:14 <janina> judy: Think Paul has been clear with us, but some of this goes beyond
15:23:52 <janina> judy: Suggest we assign this to us, myself, Janina, Paul, etc to take on a coordination level
15:23:57 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:23:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:24:06 <Zakim> -Mike
15:24:10 <janina> rich: How do I reopen Issue-131
15:24:28 <janina> paulc: Is this this topic, or
15:24:39 <janina> rich: Maciej says 'reopen issue-131' but i don't know how
15:24:48 <janina> paulc: Looking ...
15:25:31 <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0138.html "Final decision on Issue-131"
15:26:07 <janina> paulc: Suggest an email publically saying why the request to reopen
15:26:30 <paulc> Here is the link to ISSUE-131: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
15:27:00 <janina> rich: Will Maciej be on the WG call, I want to ask whether he's happy with the changes before I move forward with the request to reopen
15:27:12 <janina> paulc: Suggest as part of the a11y report
15:27:43 <janina> zakim, next item
15:27:43 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage" taken up [from janina]
15:27:45 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:28:26 <MikeSmith> janina: Media subteam has not planned to meet for some time
15:28:43 <janina> janina: Media not currently active, though we need to ping on a couple issues
15:28:53 <MikeSmith> ... John and I have discussed a couple things we need to get together to talk about more, but we have not done that yet
15:29:13 <janina> judy: On text
15:29:14 <Judy> http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-text-minutes.html
15:29:39 <janina> judy: New time not working, will try Tuesdays at 1PM Boston
15:30:10 <janina> judy: On longdesc, John has responded at length to Jonas
15:30:23 <janina> judy: Janina is completing a brief response on Matt's cp
15:31:14 <janina> judy: Maciej had suggested to fold John's content into Laura's cp
15:32:33 <janina> paulc: Don't think this is a chairs response, just a suggestion from Maciej
15:33:00 <MikeSmith> q?
15:34:18 <janina> judy: On meta generator -- Janina coordinating with Steve Faulkner's proposal, not yet settled
15:34:34 <janina> judy: On Table Summary, progress on expanded uses cases, 
15:34:58 <janina> judy: the css generated content questin now morphing into something that PF will discuss with CSS
15:36:15 <janina> mike: Think Maciej's comment was simply his own suggestion
15:37:08 <janina> judy: Question we're concerned is whether our response to Jonas will be considered as sufficient group response
15:37:28 <MikeSmith> q?
15:38:05 <Stevef> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/notitlev2
15:38:41 <janina> mike: Next Bug Triage
15:38:49 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
15:38:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P16, [Microsoft], Rich, Judy, [IPcaller], Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Mike.a
15:38:51 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:38:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see Judy, Stevef, paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
15:38:56 <janina> leonie: Almost done with priority evaluation, we've changed two, I think
15:39:13 <janina> leonie: Next we go through to manage that there is sufficient info, etc
15:39:23 <janina> zakim, next item
15:39:23 <Zakim> agendum 3. "review bugzilla a11y-tf "needs info" bugs" taken up [from janina]
15:39:53 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=a11ytf&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=NEEDSINFO
15:40:49 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12964
15:42:31 <janina> Steve: Seems Silvia asked some open ended questions, therefore the current status
15:42:50 <janina> michael: Perhaps Silvia neglect to change bug status?
15:43:33 <janina> mike: Sounds right. I'm moving it to 'reopened'
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15:45:09 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11956
15:45:37 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11956#c12
15:46:23 <janina> mike: Editor says he doesn't understand the problem, where's the responsibility?
15:46:56 <janina> mike: This has been there awhile
15:47:19 <janina> steve: Feel like a continuing runaround
15:48:02 <janina> steve: Will look at it but feel it's something that won't be addressed, feels futilie
15:48:35 <janina> steve: Issue seems common sense to me
15:48:48 <janina> judy: Anything we can do to facilitate this?
15:49:15 <janina> judy: Seems we've a few issues today with "sand in the gears"
15:49:54 <janina> steve: Editor has formally objected to reversions
15:50:30 <janina> paulc: Both revert requests were reverted by chairs
15:51:19 <janina> paulc: Ian' has formal object to that
15:51:24 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/html5/spec/Overview.html.diff?r1=1.5345;r2=1.5346;f=h
15:51:44 <paulc> Formal objections: http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/formal-objection-status.html
15:53:06 <janina> judy: So my suggestion is do the next step, with apologies that it's needed to be done
15:53:09 <janina> steve ok
15:53:31 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10784
15:54:53 <janina> mike: This is issue-32, where we have a decision
15:55:06 <janina> janina, also not favored in the TF
15:55:27 <janina> michael: We can't assume Gregory will be back in a time frame we can work with
15:56:49 <janina> mike: Suggest removing a11ytf keyword
15:57:22 <janina> janina, agree
15:57:31 <janina> [no objection on call]
15:58:31 <janina> zakim, next item
15:58:31 <Zakim> agendum 4. "review other bugzilla a11y-tf bugs" taken up [from janina]
15:58:39 <janina> zakim, close item 4
15:58:39 <Zakim> agendum 4, review other bugzilla a11y-tf bugs, closed
15:58:40 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:58:42 <Zakim> 5. Other Business [from janina]
15:58:45 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
15:58:46 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:58:46 <janina> zakim, next item
15:58:47 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:58:48 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:58:50 <Zakim> -Mike.a
15:58:50 <Zakim> -Rich
15:58:51 <Zakim> -Judy
15:58:56 <janina> zakim, close item 5
15:58:56 <Zakim> agendum 5, Other Business, closed
15:58:57 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:58:59 <Zakim> 6. Identify Scribe for 06 October [from janina]
15:58:59 <janina> zakim, next item
15:58:59 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Identify Scribe for 06 October" taken up [from janina]
15:59:11 <janina> Steve Faulkner volunteers
15:59:15 <janina> zakim, next item
15:59:15 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, janina
15:59:22 <janina> zakim, close item 6
15:59:22 <Zakim> agendum 6, Identify Scribe for 06 October, closed
15:59:24 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
15:59:42 <janina> ah, that should have been 20 October!
15:59:44 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:59:46 <janina> zakim, bye
15:59:46 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Mike, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Rich, paulc, Judy, [IPcaller], Michael_Cooper, Mike.a, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.617.615.aaaa
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15:59:52 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
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