IRC log of gld on 2011-10-13

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-gld-irc

13:55:10 [cgueret_work]

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13:55:14 [TinaGheen]

Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

13:55:37 [TinaGheen]

trackbot-ng, start telcon

13:55:39 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs world

13:55:41 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be EGOV_GLD

13:55:42 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

13:55:42 [trackbot]

Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

13:55:42 [trackbot]

Date: 13 October 2011

13:55:56 [cgueret_work]

hi there

13:56:08 [TinaGheen]

Zakim, This is T&S_GLDWG()

13:56:08 [Zakim]

ok, TinaGheen; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

13:56:24 [George]

zakim, who is present?

13:56:24 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, George.

13:56:33 [TinaGheen]

Chair: George

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Scribe: TinaGheen

13:56:50 [Zakim]

+bhyland

13:56:51 [George]

Zakim, who is here?

13:56:51 [Zakim]

On the phone I see George, +1.703.292.aaaa, +1.757.604.aabb, ??P14, bhyland

13:56:53 [Zakim]

On IRC I see bhyland, cgueret_work, RRSAgent, Zakim, martinAlvarez, Gerald_, George, TinaGheen, MacTed, cygri, trackbot, sandro

13:56:56 [TinaGheen]

Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.10.13

13:57:09 [Gerald_]

757 is me

13:57:23 [Zakim]

+??P21

13:57:26 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

13:57:30 [TinaGheen]

Zakim, aaaa is me

13:57:30 [Zakim]

+TinaGheen; got it

13:57:53 [BenediktKaempgen]

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13:58:07 [Gerald_]

aabb is me

13:58:18 [BenediktKaempgen]

Hi. Benedikt Kaempgen is connected through Skype and cannot tell Zakim who he is.

13:58:22 [Gerald_]

zakim, aabb is me

13:58:23 [Zakim]

+Gerald_; got it

13:59:02 [olyerickson]

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13:59:12 [olyerickson]

i'm here

14:00:15 [PhilA2]

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14:00:18 [olyerickson]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:18 [Zakim]

On the phone I see George, TinaGheen, Gerald_, ??P14, bhyland, ??P21, [IPcaller]

14:00:31 [boris]

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14:00:35 [boris]

zakim, code?

14:00:35 [Zakim]

the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), boris

14:00:44 [olyerickson]

zakim, ??P21 is olyerickson

14:00:45 [Zakim]

+olyerickson; got it

14:01:11 [TinaGheen]

Topic: Agenda from last week

14:01:24 [Zakim]

+boris

14:01:26 [Zakim]

+ +1.202.566.aacc

14:01:27 [TinaGheen]

George: Minutes from last week were generated

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+[IPcaller.a]

14:02:06 [Zakim]

+Cory

14:02:08 [Zakim]

+??P45

14:02:14 [bhyland]

Go to http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=gld&go=Use+This+Group

14:02:26 [PhilA2]

zakim, ??P45 is me

14:02:28 [martinAlvarez]

zakim, ??P45 is me

14:02:31 [Zakim]

+PhilA2; got it

14:02:33 [Zakim]

I already had ??P45 as PhilA2, martinAlvarez

14:02:33 [martinAlvarez]

:-)

14:02:45 [PhilA2]

zakim, ??P45 is martinAlvarez

14:02:46 [Zakim]

I already had ??P45 as PhilA2, PhilA2

14:02:47 [olyerickson]

I thought I did tooo

14:03:06 [Zakim]

-[IPcaller.a]

14:03:27 [olyerickson]

zakim, I am ??P14

14:03:30 [Zakim]

+olyerickson; got it

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14:03:34 [TinaGheen]

George: minutes are uploaded

14:03:40 [Zakim]

+??P43

14:03:50 [PhilA2]

zakim, ??P43 is me

14:03:50 [Zakim]

+PhilA2; got it

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14:03:54 [olyerickson]

zakim, ??P14 is olyerickson

14:03:54 [Zakim]

I already had ??P14 as olyerickson.a, olyerickson

14:04:08 [PhilA2]

zakim, who is here?

14:04:08 [Zakim]

On the phone I see George, TinaGheen, Gerald_, olyerickson.a, bhyland, olyerickson, [IPcaller], boris, +1.202.566.aacc, Cory, PhilA2, PhilA2.a

14:04:09 [TinaGheen]

PROPOSAL: Accept minutes of last meeting

14:04:11 [Zakim]

On IRC I see luisBermudez, Biplav, Mike, boris, PhilA2, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, cgueret_work, RRSAgent, Zakim, martinAlvarez, Gerald_, George, TinaGheen, MacTed,

14:04:14 [BenediktKaempgen]

+1

14:04:15 [Zakim]

... cygri, trackbot, sandro

14:04:18 [cgueret_work]

+1

14:04:22 [boris]

+1

14:04:23 [olyerickson]

+1 to minutes

14:04:31 [TinaGheen]

RESOLUTION: Minutes of last meeting accepted

14:04:33 [martinAlvarez]

+1

14:04:34 [Zakim]

+ +1.267.481.aadd

14:04:36 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller.a]

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14:05:02 [TinaGheen]

Topic: New Members this week?

14:05:04 [George]

q?

14:05:13 [bhyland]

zakim, who is speaking

14:05:13 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is speaking', bhyland

14:05:13 [olyerickson]

Thx @bhyland for solving the minutes problem!

14:05:24 [bhyland]

zakim, who is speaking now

14:05:24 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is speaking now', bhyland

14:05:42 [PhilA2]

zakim, who is making noise?

14:05:45 [TinaGheen]

Topic: Vocabulary Summary

14:05:54 [Zakim]

PhilA2, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: George (74%), bhyland (5%), Cory (5%), [IPcaller.a] (5%)

14:06:12 [TinaGheen]

George: discussed how GLD can use others work for best practices (DDI folks)

14:06:25 [TinaGheen]

... outlined 5 areas of standard vocab deliverables

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14:06:34 [TinaGheen]

... any comments?

14:07:00 [TinaGheen]

... any updates on Actions?

14:07:01 [bhyland]

q+

14:07:01 [cgueret_work]

Action 10 can be closed

14:07:01 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - 10

14:07:13 [cgueret_work]

don't know how to do it :)

14:07:17 [olyerickson]

RE olyerickson's Actions --- nothing to report

14:07:35 [cgueret_work]

q+

14:07:40 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: updating cookbook

14:07:47 [rreck]

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14:07:51 [TinaGheen]

... encourages people to start looking at it

14:07:56 [bhyland]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Linked_Data_Cookbook

14:08:01 [Zakim]

+??P60

14:08:13 [TinaGheen]

... have 300 accesses

14:08:14 [stasinos]

zakim, ??P60 is stasinos

14:08:14 [Zakim]

+stasinos; got it

14:08:23 [martinAlvarez]

zakim, who is in PhilA2?

14:08:23 [Zakim]

PhilA2 has only PhilA2

14:08:40 [martinAlvarez]

zakim, martin is in PhilA2

14:08:40 [Zakim]

+martin; got it

14:08:47 [TinaGheen]

... is a bit different in style than many W3 recommendations since it is a website with pragmatic advice

14:09:01 [TinaGheen]

... borrowed language off mobile web best practices

14:09:08 [bhyland]

STyled after the Mobile Web App Best Practices http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Linked_Data_Cookbook

14:09:09 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller.aa]

14:09:29 [rreck]

zakim, IPcaller.aa is me

14:09:29 [Zakim]

+rreck; got it

14:09:34 [PhilA2]

Mobile Web BP is at http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/ for reference

14:09:34 [rreck]

zakim, mute me

14:09:34 [Zakim]

rreck should now be muted

14:09:40 [George]

q?

14:09:40 [TinaGheen]

... please review and comment on it

14:09:55 [PhilA2]

ack by

14:10:02 [PhilA2]

ack bhyl

14:10:26 [PhilA2]

ack cg

14:10:36 [TinaGheen]

close action-10

14:10:37 [trackbot]

ACTION-10 Talk with Paul about provenance closed

14:11:12 [olyerickson]

@bhyland: one way to add comments in wikis is to add in alternate colors (e.g. RED etc)

14:11:32 [TinaGheen]

Topic: Vocabulary discussion with Phil Archer from W3 eGov on SEMIC.EU

14:11:47 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: hello everyone

14:12:01 [TinaGheen]

... been around W3C for many years

14:12:05 [olyerickson]

@bhyland: for extended comments, adding text in e.g. a box is useful

14:12:10 [TinaGheen]

... work on eGov currently

14:12:19 [TinaGheen]

... and European Commission

14:12:37 [TinaGheen]

... speak to this group as a whole today

14:12:48 [TinaGheen]

... WG member in the future

14:12:51 [PhilA2]

http://www.semic.eu/semic/

14:13:26 [TinaGheen]

... Bacilio at DERI has taken over SEMIC

14:13:35 [TinaGheen]

... work on core vocabs

14:13:42 [stasinos]

Vasilios Peristeras

14:14:22 [stasinos]

you're welcome

14:14:28 [PhilA2]

http://www.semic.eu/semic/view/snav/network/Communities/ADMS.xhtml

14:14:29 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: practical point is I can help out with vocab develop with GLD

14:14:39 [martinAlvarez]

s/Bacilio/Vasilios Peristeras

14:14:45 [George]

Phil to work with GLD and liaise with SEMIC ! Great!

14:14:50 [TinaGheen]

... ADMS Effort Description metadata schema

14:14:56 [bhyland]

zakim, who is making noise?

14:15:06 [Zakim]

bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 16 (32%), bhyland (4%), [IPcaller.a] (20%)

14:15:06 [TinaGheen]

... all part of the same project

14:15:29 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:15:29 [Zakim]

On the phone I see George, TinaGheen, Gerald_, olyerickson.a, bhyland, olyerickson, [IPcaller], boris, +1.202.566.aacc, Cory, PhilA2, PhilA2.a, +1.267.481.aadd, [IPcaller.a],

14:15:33 [Zakim]

... stasinos, rreck (muted)

14:15:33 [Zakim]

PhilA2 has martin

14:15:36 [TinaGheen]

... my task is to write a doc that explains how to find vocab, set up working group

14:16:02 [TinaGheen]

... difference from GLD is in the final stage

14:16:25 [TinaGheen]

... in European context, reps of european union will be endorsing

14:16:43 [TinaGheen]

... member states of European Union will endorse the core vocab

14:16:59 [TinaGheen]

... data will be exchanged between states, these are the terms you should use

14:17:06 [TinaGheen]

... does not mean they are defining new terms

14:17:10 [Gerald_]

Mute is 41# correct?

14:17:22 [PhilA2]

http://www.semic.eu/semic/view/snav/Conformance.xhtml

14:17:26 [TinaGheen]

... must work on defining core person vocab

14:17:42 [TinaGheen]

.... timeline - must be done by Jan

14:18:07 [TinaGheen]

... so help is available to GLD in this respect

14:18:30 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: also have 2 other vocabs to work on

14:18:46 [TinaGheen]

... his WG must decide which two they will work on

14:19:03 [TinaGheen]

... businesses? relationships b/w people? defining a piece of land?

14:19:35 [TinaGheen]

... immediate problem is identifying WG members w/o knowing which vocabs will be developed

14:19:51 [TinaGheen]

... EC is paying them to develop 3 vocabs

14:20:07 [TinaGheen]

... one will describe people, 2 more are unidentified areas at this time

14:20:22 [TinaGheen]

... hope to work with GLD, two way street

14:20:59 [George]

q?

14:21:02 [cgueret_work]

+q

14:21:29 [olyerickson]

Q: Given that much of the LD vocab prior art concerns describing people, wondering what the work of this new group will contribute?

14:21:37 [TinaGheen]

cgueret_work: you will redefine or reuse vocabularies?

14:21:42 [George]

ack cgueret_work

14:21:43 [stasinos]

q+

14:21:46 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: not redefining

14:21:49 [TinaGheen]

... reusing

14:21:55 [olyerickson]

+1 to not re-inventing FOAF

14:22:04 [cgueret_work]

+1 too :)

14:22:28 [TinaGheen]

?: do you have cadidates for vocabularies you will be using

14:23:05 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: accounts and payments, buildings, energy usage, health care inst, educational inst, contracts, procurement, transport infrastructure, vehicles

14:23:41 [bhyland]

q+

14:23:49 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: hopes EC will say use ontologies everyone else has done

14:23:57 [George]

ack stasinos

14:24:02 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: lots of good work already there

14:24:10 [TinaGheen]

... does not need to be reinvented

14:24:27 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: what is the timing on outcomes and deliverables

14:24:27 [Zakim]

+[IBM]

14:24:27 [George]

ack bhyland

14:24:55 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: list of possible candidates to do? in an advanced draft stage. Sign off by commission possibly next week

14:25:27 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: how do we set up a members only list?

14:25:48 [PhilA2]

action PhilA2 to request member-only list

14:25:48 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - PhilA2

14:26:05 [PhilA2]

action Phil Archer to request member-only list

14:26:06 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-12 - Archer to request member-only list [on Phil Archer - due 2011-10-20].

14:26:30 [bhyland]

@PhilA2, will the list of vocab candidates be something we could fold into this? see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Linked_Data_Cookbook#Re-use_Vocabularies_Whenever_Possible

14:27:04 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: cautions against using member list too often

14:27:16 [TinaGheen]

... keep things public as much as possible

14:27:47 [George]

@PhilA2 - and those under consideration for GLD Deliverable 2.3

14:27:50 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: want to keep as many people involved as possible, more vibrant dialogue

14:28:52 [olyerickson]

+1 to opening up W3G LGD WG discussions; we need more discussions on the list!

14:28:58 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: terms are context neutral, cross domain

14:29:21 [TinaGheen]

... do not want to do into great detail for every aspect of gov

14:29:26 [George]

'core' vocab terms

14:29:32 [George]

q?

14:30:08 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: I need to set up a WG soon. Who would you invite?

14:30:26 [TinaGheen]

... would like to complement GLD, not duplicate

14:30:46 [TinaGheen]

... first decision will be which core vocabs will they work on

14:30:54 [TinaGheen]

... invitations will be coming

14:31:05 [George]

q+

14:31:05 [TinaGheen]

... want to make sure the invitations go to the right people

14:31:31 [PhilA2]

ack ge

14:31:34 [TinaGheen]

George: please elaborate on relationship b/w SEMIC and W3C

14:31:49 [cgueret_work]

+q

14:31:55 [olyerickson]

Hmmmmm

14:32:10 [George]

q?

14:32:34 [PhilA2]

ack cg

14:32:44 [TinaGheen]

cgueret_work: do you have plans to collaborate with schema.org

14:33:09 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: don't have definite plans but are aware effect schema.org is having

14:34:04 [TinaGheen]

cgueret_work: can be potential members of your WG

14:34:35 [George]

q?

14:34:57 [Zakim]

-[IBM]

14:35:16 [cgueret_work]

@olyerickson yep, close enough :)

14:35:36 [olyerickson]

;)

14:36:13 [Gerald_]

nicks I believe

14:37:15 [TinaGheen]

George: is there some sort of mandate for using terms or is it recommendations?

14:37:38 [bhyland]

q+

14:37:46 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: not legally binding, but this is the way you are meant to do it

14:38:12 [TinaGheen]

George: budgets will not be tied to compliance?

14:38:28 [olyerickson]

@PhilA2, looking forward to meeting you at TPAC

14:38:29 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: no

14:38:49 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: orgs will get more value from using the terms - that is the benefit

14:39:19 [olyerickson]

"Voluntary Consensus Standards..."

14:39:25 [George]

q?

14:39:28 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: voluntary consensus is correct

14:39:30 [George]

ack bhyland

14:40:05 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: let's talk about how this became so important in EU

14:40:44 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: Political transparency was important

14:41:00 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: in Britain

14:41:56 [cgueret_work]

+1 for pub questions :)

14:42:20 [George]

+1 pub questions - and forgotten answers :)

14:42:30 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: real projects going on in US, but budgeting for egov initiatives is a problem

14:43:19 [TinaGheen]

PhilA2: City of Manchester has seen real financial savings because data is published and they know where to find it

14:43:39 [olyerickson]

q+

14:43:39 [cgueret_work]

+q

14:45:01 [olyerickson]

Zakim, that was me talkin'

14:45:01 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'that was me talkin'', olyerickson

14:45:15 [PhilA2]

ack ol

14:45:15 [TinaGheen]

olyerickson: evangelists on outside must meet with those inside to make decisions happen

14:45:22 [George]

ack olyerickson.a

14:45:28 [cgueret_work]

http://research.yahoo.com/Peter_Mika

14:45:32 [bhyland]

Peter Mika

14:45:32 [George]

ack cgueret_work

14:45:58 [TinaGheen]

George; Thank you, Phil

14:46:14 [olyerickson]

-1 to comments

14:46:35 [bhyland]

@PhilA2, thanks, very interesting & highly relevant. I hope this can be a fruitful liaison between EU and other countries.

14:47:06 [TinaGheen]

Topic: Facebook Open Graph Schemas

14:47:48 [TinaGheen]

George: does anyone have any thoughts on list message from Jesse Weaver @ RPI

14:47:49 [bhyland]

agenda+ Community Directory entries due by 17-Oct please!

14:48:16 [TinaGheen]

George: is there more interest?

14:48:55 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: have Sandro report on schema.org meeting in CA

14:49:31 [TinaGheen]

Topic: Community Directory

14:49:35 [PhilA2]

Just to note that Ivan Herman posted a summary of the schema.org event at http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/09/impressions_on_the_schemaorg_w.html

14:49:52 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: have gone through start up phase

14:50:04 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: Comm Dir can help all of us

14:50:26 [TinaGheen]

... can show what is in production

14:51:20 [PhilA2]

:-)

14:51:21 [cgueret_work]

:)

14:51:23 [olyerickson]

doh!

14:51:52 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: please access directory, let me know if there are issues

14:52:43 [TinaGheen]

... would like to take screenshot of statistics that show worldwide distribution

14:53:09 [TinaGheen]

... would like to show in Warsaw

14:53:19 [cgueret_work]

deadline to put info there?

14:53:51 [TinaGheen]

bhyland: all data will be available in RDF

14:54:17 [TinaGheen]

... please submit info by Tuesday

14:54:20 [PhilA2]

q+

14:54:35 [George]

ack PhilA2

14:54:49 [George]

ack PhilA

14:55:29 [TinaGheen]

Topic: Announcements

14:55:40 [TinaGheen]

George: any other announcements or agenda items?

14:55:49 [cgueret_work]

q+

14:56:10 [olyerickson]

-1 to additional agenda items at this time...

14:56:25 [olyerickson]

+1 to great scribing

14:56:31 [bhyland]

@TinaGheen, thank you, great job scribing :-)

14:57:00 [PhilA2]

rrsagent, make logs public

14:58:07 [TinaGheen]

George: meeting adjourned

14:58:24 [cgueret_work]

bye bye

14:58:28 [Zakim]

-Cory

14:58:29 [BenediktKaempgen]

bye

14:58:37 [Zakim]

-PhilA2

14:58:38 [Zakim]

-boris

14:58:38 [Zakim]

-bhyland

14:58:39 [Zakim]

-[IPcaller]

14:58:39 [Zakim]

- +1.202.566.aacc

14:58:41 [Zakim]

-olyerickson

14:58:41 [Gerald_]

I'll lurk to see the ending.

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-[IPcaller.a]

14:58:52 [Zakim]

-stasinos

14:59:18 [TinaGheen]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

14:59:18 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-gld-minutes.html TinaGheen

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-PhilA2.a

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-TinaGheen

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-Gerald_

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-George

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-rreck

15:12:21 [Zakim]

- +1.267.481.aadd

15:35:01 [Zakim]

disconnecting the lone participant, olyerickson.a, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

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Attendees were George, +1.703.292.aaaa, +1.757.604.aabb, bhyland, [IPcaller], TinaGheen, Gerald_, olyerickson, boris, +1.202.566.aacc, Cory, PhilA2, +1.267.481.aadd, stasinos,

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... martin, rreck, [IBM]

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