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19:59:48 <Judy> zakim, this will be WAI_PF(Text)
19:59:48 <Zakim> ok, Judy, I see WAI_PF(Text)4:00PM already started
20:00:35 <Judy> agenda+ longdesc: progress on JS-response to Matt's updated proposal?
20:00:35 <Judy> agenda+ meta name=generator: updates? <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming>
20:00:35 <Judy> agenda+ table summary: expanded use cases? <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ReinstateTableSummary>
20:00:35 <Judy> agenda+ generated content: progress on discussions? <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13668>
20:00:36 <Judy> agenda+ bug 8645, alt text for images: confirm closed? <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645>
20:00:38 <Judy> agenda+ other business? 
20:00:40 <Judy> agenda+ meeting time: Tuesday 4pm US Eastern OR is 1pm US Eastern better for UK & CET? 
20:00:42 <Judy>              (note upcoming end of daylight savings time, different in different countries).
20:00:44 <Judy> agenda+ confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn.
20:05:28 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
20:05:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Judy, ??P1
20:05:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Judy, janina
20:05:56 <Judy> zakim, ??P1 is Janina
20:05:57 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
20:07:48 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
20:09:30 <Judy> zakim, take up first item
20:09:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up first item', Judy
20:09:44 <Judy> agenda?
20:09:52 <Judy> zakim, take up item 1
20:10:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "longdesc: progress on JS-response to Matt's updated proposal?" taken up [from Judy]
20:20:31 <Judy> scribe: Judy
20:20:31 <Judy> js: Not yet. Haven't yet spoken with John.
20:20:31 <Judy> jf: When are issues going to be surveyed by the WG?
20:20:31 <Judy> jb: As Paul confirmed on the TF call, they will await our indication that we're ready to move forward on that.
20:20:31 <Judy> jf: Notes that Maciej suggest folding my comments into Laura's cp
20:20:32 <Judy> jf: I responded that might not be necessary.
20:20:33 <Judy> jf: Laura responded today that she would prefer not to.
20:20:36 <Judy> jb: I will confirm with Laura that we don't need to do that.
20:20:42 <Judy> scribe: Janina
20:20:49 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
20:20:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "meta name=generator: updates? <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming>" taken up [from Judy]
20:21:14 <janina> jb: Haven't seen any update from Steve or Janina
20:21:26 <janina> Janina Correct. Steve and I need to talk on this.
20:21:50 <janina> jb: Steve did acknowledge the feedback
20:21:57 <janina> janina: Will ping him
20:22:26 <janina> It is critical to note that supporting the accessibility of graphical images
20:22:26 <janina> always requires appropriate alternative content markup. In some cases, of
20:22:26 <janina> course, this means that images are marked "presentational," as with current
20:22:26 <janina> ARIA based markup, or with an alt null string, alt="", as from HTML 4. In no
20:22:26 <janina> instance can images without appropriate alternative markup be considered
20:23:05 <janina> accessible.
20:29:10 <janina> jb: Suggests suggesting the above to Steve.
20:30:04 <Judy> zakim, take up next
20:30:04 <Zakim> agendum 3. "table summary: expanded use cases? <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ReinstateTableSummary>" taken up [from Judy]
20:34:29 <janina> janina: Lyn has provided use cases.
20:34:41 <janina> janina: I will go to this, but need to finish the response to Matt.
20:34:57 <janina> jf: Re improving table summary are we addressing discoverability and user interaction?
20:35:12 <janina> janina: We need to check that. Should do it as well as our longdesc cp
20:36:35 <janina> jf: Since html5 doesn't proscribe user agent behavior, we need to simply provide appropriate guidance elsewhere, perhaps from UAWG, PF.
20:38:18 <janina> janina: I will try and follow up with Josh directly.
20:38:24 <janina> jb: And Lyn?
20:38:34 <janina> janina: Will respond
20:39:50 <janina> jb: Perhaps a Zakim conversation?
20:39:52 <janina> janina: Yes
20:40:56 <Judy> s/a Zakim conversation?/a teleconference with you Lynn and Josh?/
20:41:20 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
20:41:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "generated content: progress on discussions? <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13668>" taken up [from Judy]
20:41:44 <janina> jf: No time for it yet ...
20:42:02 <janina> jf: Still confusion around this,
20:42:22 <janina> jf: We had a draft this week from Opera that used css for printing only
20:42:37 <janina> jf: Wondering if there's confusion among implementers of what css should be used for?
20:44:37 <janina> [discussion on whether css generated should be voiced, or under what circumstances]
20:46:19 <janina> janina: Noting that PF is requesting a meet with CSS at TPAC. Could address this then.
20:46:38 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
20:46:38 <Zakim> agendum 5. "bug 8645, alt text for images: confirm closed? <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645>" taken up [from Judy]
20:47:02 <janina> janina: We closed this
20:47:25 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
20:47:25 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, Judy
20:47:34 <Judy> zakim, close item 5
20:47:34 <Zakim> agendum 5, bug 8645, alt text for images: confirm closed? <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645>, closed
20:47:36 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:47:38 <Zakim> 6. other business? [from Judy]
20:47:44 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
20:47:44 <Zakim> agendum 6. "other business?" taken up [from Judy]
20:49:03 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
20:49:03 <Zakim> agendum 7. "meeting time: Tuesday 4pm US Eastern OR is 1pm US Eastern better for UK & CET?" taken up [from Judy]
20:49:07 <janina> janina: I need to bring back our Title reconsideration CP for approval on TF Thursday
20:50:43 <Zakim> -Judy
20:50:45 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
20:50:46 <janina> zakim, bye
20:50:46 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Judy, Janina, John_Foliot
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20:50:53 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
20:50:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-text-minutes.html janina
20:53:05 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
20:53:12 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
20:53:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-text-minutes.html janina
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