IRC log of xproc on 2011-10-06

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Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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Date: 6 October 2011
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Meeting: 198
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Chair: Norm
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Scribe: Norm
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ScribeNick: Norm
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14:01:22 [Vojtech]
zakim, jeroen is me
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+Vojtech; got it
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Regrets: Henry, Mohamed
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+ +420.7.282.7.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is JimFuller
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+JimFuller; got it
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zakim, ?p50 is alexmilowski
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sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named '?p50'
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zakim, p50 is alexmilowski
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sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named 'p50'
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zakim, ??P50 is alexmilowski
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+alexmilowski; got it
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Norm, PGrosso, Vojtech, JimFuller, alexmilowski
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On IRC I see alexmilowski, RRSAgent, Vojtech, JimFuller, Norm, Zakim, PGrosso, Liam, caribou
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Present: Norm, Paul, Vojtech, Jim, Alex
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Topic: Accept this agenda?
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 13 October 2011
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Jim gives regrets.
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Topic: Welcome back
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Welcome back from summer vacation.
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Topic: Technical plenary
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Register and find accommodations!
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Norm: I believe that Paul, Norm, Henry, Vojtech, Jim, and Alex will be at the f2f.
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Norm: I propose we discuss the agenda today or next week for sure.
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topic: Status update
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Norm: I think there are only a few things open.
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Norm: There are some actions on me: conformance section, the test suite license, etc.
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Norm: There was a question about the doc('') function
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Norm: And there's the processor profiles document
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Jim: I wrote a pipeline to keep the processing model page up to date.
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Norm: Thank yo!
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topic: Processor profile next steps
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Norm summarizes
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I like external declarations profile
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Norm: Four profiles: basic, id, external declarations, and full
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Norm proposes that we use those names in the next draft. Any objections?
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Norm: Alex, you wanted to change the class names.
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Alex: The name "B'" just bugs me. It's all about unparsed entities, so we could call it "U" or "S".
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Norm: I think U might be confusing (with unparsed external entities). How about S
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Alex: It doesn't really matter, it's just a label.
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Norm: I propose we rename B' to S. Any objections?
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Norm: We'll see if Henry objects when he's back.
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Alex: I'd also like to change 4.2.3 to use something less confusing than "Entirely, for the same reason".
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...I think we should use "per the case above" as the preceding section coes.
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Norm: That works for me.
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Vojtech: How about making the sections cumulative. So each builds on the previous.
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Alex: This is purely editorial.
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ACTION: Alex to work with Henry to resolve the editorial issue in 4.2.3.
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Norm: I think that just leaves the last call comments.
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Norm: Would anyone be willing to go through the last call comments and try to propose resolutions for them.?
14:23:18 [JimFuller]
I can have a go
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Jim: I'll have a go.
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topic: F2F agenda
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Alex: What are we going to do about test cases.
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Norm: I think we said that this is like the infoset and is a spec for other specs to use and consequently doesn't have it's own implementation.
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Alex: Ok.
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Norm: I think the most important task on our plate is getting the processor profiles document finished.
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...I think we've had some interest in talking about
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Alex: I have some things to send out
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...I think we also need to do some marketing.
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...Other WGs do all sorts of things to build a community, I think we should try to do the same thing.
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Norm: I agree.
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Jim: I think getting some pipelines out there for people to download and immediately use would help.
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Norm: I added to help publish pipelines.
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Jim: XProc is verbose, but it's very reusable. Standard pipelines can really help move that along.
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Jim: At the f2f, it would be nice to talk about how to make pipelines easier to distribute and use.
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Norm: Anything else.
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Norm: I'll try to have a draft agenda for the f2f ready by next week.
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topic: Any other business
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None heard. Adjourned.
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Attendees were Norm, PGrosso, Vojtech, +420.7.282.7.aaaa, JimFuller, alexmilowski
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rrsagent, set logs world visible
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate Norm
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